Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #34

[BUF]

I think it’s the lens, probably a prime lens with lots of bokeh. I’ve gotten into a little photo/video as hobbies and I have a lens that does the exact same thing. Great primary focus points but blur in the background. I think it’s an artistic thing. Maybe they were trying to hide where the interview took place but I don’t think so.

It was said that they were at an undisclosed location, so maybe so.

 

[SleuthD-o-doubleg]

So I think the dates we've had gel. He was at Lori's house late in 2018. And they sealed themselves at a Temple. How did they get away with that? Jmo

My thoughts, and jmo, is that it’s not legal because they were claiming to be sealed which LDS people refer to as a marriage. They could have had a moment walking through the temple. Not all temples have the same amount of visitors and although there’s temple workers to keep you where you should be going, there may have been a lapse in time that was unaccounted for. All jmo.

 

[watergirl62]

Oh, one thing I did find slightly confusing was the 31/21 planet mention but MG quickly pointed out it wasn’t planets but lives. Then she goes on to say Lolo had 4 or 5 lives contradicting her previous statement.

What is it you think they believe? They were on 31/21 planets? They had 31/21 lives? They only had 4/5 lives but the 31/21 reference was to something else?

Is it possible the lives/planet beliefs might have been some delusion/excuse for the kids to disappear? Did they get on a portal and ride to one of the planets? Saved them from the ills of the earth?

Thinking outside the box I know but we’re dealing in the Beyond Bizarre here.

She didn't like the word planet, preferred the word life.
Okay, so Lori and Chad had 21/31 lives, 4/5 on Earth.
But she corrected Lori's 4 to 5.
So they each had 5 lives on Earth.

Last time I checked? Earth was a planet.

 

[indicolite22]

When we shed away the skins of this onion...the basic story just the same ol' lust.

Don't forget greed.

 

[GoneGoldfishin']

Thank you for sharing that. I'm surprised to hear MG say the doctrine Chad was following was from the "adversary." That's going to get a lot of negative attention in my opinion. Basically, people will start to identify that with "devil worship," and that could through it in a whole different light. MG said that Charles sent out the "list" to many people. Is this the list where Chad analyzes the children and gives them a numbered designation?

That's because that is indeed what it is. If it is not of God, it is of Satan. There are only two options. Chad and Lori clearly made the wrong choice.

 

[indicolite22]

Thank you for sharing that. I'm surprised to hear MG say the doctrine Chad was following was from the "adversary." That's going to get a lot of negative attention in my opinion. Basically, people will start to identify that with "devil worship," and that could through it in a whole different light. MG said that Charles sent out the "list" to many people. Is this the list where Chad analyzes the children and gives them a numbered designation?

She meant that Chad's ideas came from the devil. Apparently there were other lists with different people and their past lives described on them.

 

[indicolite22]

She didn't like the word planet, preferred the word life.
Okay, so Lori and Chad had 21/31 lives, 4/5 on Earth.
But she corrected Lori's 4 to 5.
So they each had 5 lives on Earth.

Last time I checked? Earth was a planet.

She meant that not all lives were on different planets.

 

[indicolite22]

More like chad wasn't man enough to ask his wife for a divorce so took a cowardly route instead.

Do you think Lori would have married him if they were both broke?

 

[SleuthD-o-doubleg]

Lori at one point said to MG, "If Chad is Satan, he sure is a good one." MG says Lori had some doubts about what Chad was spewing.

Obviously that doubt didn't amount to much in the end.

With this quote alone, can you imagine Means saying she was brainwashed and was acting under Chads influence? What would be the legal repercussions of this in court? I know Idaho doesn’t have an insanity plea but would Lori be held accountable for her actions?

 

[indicolite22]

I get the same feelings about MG. I think she's honest, but I also think she may have believed the stories and doctrines a bit more for a while. She did say that she and Lori didn't see one another quite as much toward the end, and hopefully that's because MG was starting to have her own concerns.

Lori moved to Idaho at the end of August, so they couldn't have spent as much time together.

 

[Trouble1321075]

Nate Eaton - Reporter

Part 1!

The interview is off to a great start. I tip my hat to how open MB seems to be so far. I thinkshe may finally give us some of the missing context thats sorely needed into understanding the dynamics of the various relationships within their inner circle.

Im curious if the group that lori invited to stay at their house while CV was away is the same group that attended the pool party the day of CVs death and if MG was an attendee.
Im also curious if Lori hsd already read any of Chads books prior to meeting him and she approached him with a groupie like enamouration or if they both just felt an instant smitten for each other as MB seems to be implying.
Gotta give Nate props for how comfortable he seems to have MG and really drawing her into opening up with stuff that I think anyone would be uncomfortable with sharing in a public format.

 

[indicolite22]

With this quote alone, can you imagine Means saying she was brainwashed and was acting under Chads influence? What would be the legal repercussions of this in court? I know Idaho doesn’t have an insanity plea but would Lori be held accountable for her actions?

Do you think Chad would be paying Means to throw him under the bus? Just curious.

 

[Trouble1321075]

I am 2 mins in, first thing i noticed is she said " i had all kinds of fears"..What the media would say about me"

Like i say 2 mins in but the impression this gives is she wasn't in hiding from fear of lori/chad but because of the media.... lets see where this goes..

I can understand her being afraid of how the media might try to portray her. I am empathetic to her feeling that way.

 

[spandangly]

Still don't get that either. Never went to church...but in and out of a temple as "if they owned the place". WHat gives.

I don't think they visibly acted like this at all. They probably just quietly went about their business, sitting close and "feeling the spirit" together and telling each other what they wanted to hear. You can think whatever you want in your brain, and then go ahead and tell anyone else God told you something. Unfortunately, for religious fanatics, it's not an unheard-of leap if you want to feel special and justify your crimes.

 

[Gardener1850]

Interesting so far. I wonder how much doesn't agree with @Gardener1850 timeline?

I've been away from case and need to go back to @Gardener1850 's timelines after it's done today and the next 2 episodes to see if anything on the timeline is updated.

Thanks so much for the timeline! It's invaluable!

Here's the part of the timeline that covers 2018, the year she claims Lori met Chad for the first time: ID - ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *MEDIA MAPS TIMELINE* NO DISCUSSION

I haven't compared the dates she gave yet, but my first impression was that MG was being completely truthful but may have recalled the wrong year for some events she gave. MG met Chad in summer of 2017 according to her own book's forward that was written by Chad. I was a bit surprised to learn she didn't meet Lori until Oct 2018 and wonder if she meant 2017 for meeting Lori. Either way, her order of events fits with what we know-- that Chad met MG at a campout in UT first and that Chad later came to speak in Mesa, AZ at an event arranged by MG. She also confirms something we suspected from previous evidence-- that Chad stayed in Lori's house during an event held in Mesa. She also told us some new info-- that Chad told Lori upon their supposed first meeting that they (i.e. Lori & Chad) had been married multiple times in previous lives. The things she said match up with what we know and she is going to be a key witness IMHO.

One thing I am left wondering is if maybe Chad and Lori had met previously, but did not let on to MG that they knew each other before the time they "met" in front of MG. Perhaps Chad gave that line about being married to Lori in previous lives and Lori went along with it, so that MG would not think it strange that these two who had not met before had an obvious instant connection with one another. Because it's nearly impossible to hide when you "meet" someone you already know, this would have been a good cover story for their affair among the "spiritual" crowd they were in at the time. So if Chad and Lori acted too "familiar" with each other around certain people and it was questioned, they could just brush it off as- "Oh, we were married to each other in previous lives so that' s why we seem to know each other so well." I think this is possible because some friends/family members in this case have said they think Lori and Chad met as early as 2016 and we know Lori was obsessed with Chad's books since around 2015. I think it's possible they totally snowed MG and she is still trying to recover from the gaslighting number that was done on her.

MOO.

 

[SleuthD-o-doubleg]

Do you think Chad would be paying Means to throw him under the bus? Just curious.

Hmm, good question. Idk what will happen. Maybe that is why Chad dumped his seemingly better lawyer for Means. Jmo

 

[dixiegirl1035]

I'm listening to part 1 now... 15 minutes in.

When you see two married people developing a romance and citing a higher being as to why they essentially have to keep lying to their spouses, at what point do you call foul? At what point do you admit to yourself that this "religion", and the people you're looking up to, are shams?

Ummm, when they both have burner phones.. *lightbulb for dense folks* = affair MOO

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Part 1 confirms yet more details from the unofficial document that has been out since early February.

I'm listening for dates... yet I don't see her stating dates...

 

[natsound]

Ummm, when they both have burner phones.. *lightbulb for dense folks* = affair MOO

I saw something recently that said:

Rules of a Hustler:

1. If you're going to lie, lie big.
2. Claim partnership with God.

That's Chad and Lori Daybell for ya.

 

[Deerrun]

Do you think Chad would be paying Means to throw him under the bus? Just curious.

Such a conflict besause the only way imo that one gets a deal is the other will need to turn. We shall see how long it lasts that they both have the same Att. I think the only reason Chad hired Means is that he may think he has some control over who gets the deal. He has more money than lori after all...imo