Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #34

[indicolite22]

Im curious if the group that lori invited to stay at their house while CV was away is the same group that attended the pool party the day of CVs death and if MG was an attendee.

In one of the previews for the interview with Nate MG states that she learned about Charles having been killed four days later, so I'd guess she wasn't at the pool party if there indeed was one.

 

[indicolite22]

Such a conflict besause the only way imo that ones gets a deal is the other will need to turn. We shall see how long it lasts that they both have the same Att. I think the only reason Chad hired Means is that he may have some control over who gets the deal. He has more money than lori after all...imo

How could you give a deal to a mastermind?

 

[Tortoise]

Here's the youtube version for anyone looking.

 

[Trouble1321075]

Ummm, when they both have burner phones.. *lightbulb for dense folks* = affair MOO

Im curious if they have the numbers of those phones can their digital data, like texts be recovered by police. It sounded like MG had those numbers at one time.

 

[Diddian]

IMO, MG comes across as honest. Like most normal friends and faithful would, MG sounded like she had been concerned that Chad and Lori were entering territory with each other in late 2018 that they shouldn't have been as two people who were each still married to others. MG sounded openly curious, but mildly skeptical about the unconventional beliefs Chad and Lori were selling (married multiple times in past probations; their betrayed spouses would someday understand) that permitted their adulterous relationship.

I find it interesting that even though somewhat skeptical, MG played along some of the unconventional beliefs and with Chad's and Lori's use of the temple while they held and promoted those beliefs (and while Lori didn't attend church), even though their teachings and actions violated church authority. MG also seems very protective of the group, Preparing a People; insisting that they are not a "cult" (while saying that you really need to define what that word means) and that they (PAP) are nice people. It sounds like Lori - dissatisfied with her own marriage at the time as described here by MG - used that group as a jumping off point to go after Chad and once they met and placed each other on pedestals, they were both all in.

I wonder if it is generally understood among participants in PAP that church authority is being violated and undermined, but that those participating must keep the ways in which they do so quiet - like these are "spiritual searchers" who are more open to new beliefs than church-sanctioned, but recognize they are walking on thin ice. MG herself appears somewhat countercultural as far as the church goes, but unwilling to go as far as Chad and Lori go and skeptical about what is driving them. That's really an issue between PAP participants and their church, but interesting dynamics of secrecy and permissiveness that probably facilitated in Lori's and Chad's beliefs that it was up to them to decide what is acceptable and what isn't and whose business it was to know.

Interesting that Lori and Chad had separate, designated phones for communicating with each other. I wonder if the phones had cameras. I wonder if Lori's Chad-only-phone went into the "portal" with her when she was "spiritually" meeting with him. Imagine the data usage during those times. I wonder where Chad's portal was and whether whatever equipped it is now in FBI custody or at the local landfill.

IMO, it would be very nice to see what kind of phone activity occurred during these two around the time some of the life insurance changes were made (CV's account locking CV out; Tammy's policy limit being raised). Because, what's a leader of the 144,000 - or two lovebirds in a Hawaiian paradise who've moved on to the next con - to do without some funds to make it happen?

 

[dixiegirl1035]

I've not followed this thread for sometime.

I'm trying to get back in my WS mode here...

My general impression after watching part #1 is as follows:

If a person knows they are going to be instrumental in being a prosecution witness, they would never go for a 3-4 hour mainstream interview so that the defense could use such later. Is she not on the witness list and been asked by the prosecution not to do such?

Will have to listen to again and again to see what talking points she is giving.

That's a no no for all criminal cases that I've followed. I've never known anyone who is wanting justice for the prosecution to do such in any case. The standard is do not talk to media if you are going to be a prosecution witness. Unless.... you don't want to be called by either side as both think you are tainted by so much publivity ( we did see that with Jodi Arias case...... hmmm)

MOO she's confusing and confounding and filling in blanks which are not illegal/used in court and giving excuses that may be later used by the defense? Not giving specifics as to dates or anything .....?

 

[mickey2942]

I may be handicapped in my beliefs in this case by a complete lack of understanding or acceptance that anyone could kill an innocent child in cold blood for any reason. I understand that some people do that. But it is rarely their first act of evil. Often they start with torturing animals or other sick acts. I just don't see Lori or Chad being that sick.

Serial killers, usually male, do start with animal abuse and escalate from there.

However, parents who kill their children usually have a separate type of pathology. Generally, the children are viewed as "possessions", not actual "people or individuals". The "possessions" are interfering with a specific goal, so, much like we declutter the house and take things to Goodwill. A psychopath parent will "declutter" the "possessions" by getting rid of them. Susan Smith, Dianne Downs fit this model. And I believe LVD fits this as well.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Eagerly waiting for part 2 tomorrow when this is discussed...

In part 2 of our interview, Gibb discusses Lori’s move to Rexburg, Tammy Daybell’s death, Charles Vallow’s death, zombies and the call from Chad Daybell that changed everything. It will be posted Wednesday on EastIdahoNews.com at 8 a.m. MST.

Part 1: Melanie Gibb describes Chad and Lori Daybells' religious beliefs and her relationship with the couple | East Idaho News

yeah.... that's what I thought, the kids will be discussed in part 3. ugh.. typical media trick, Nate...whatever..just bring it on..

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Yep, basically from this part we have the proof that the conclusions most of WS made based on previous evidence, is correct. CD and LV created a whole new religion from what was initially a "mating call".
Sheesh, this "portal thing" reminded me of the games we had when in 1st grade... We also created portals and worlds beyond the veil... In 2nd grade, though, we were too grown up to take all this seriously some kids believed up till 3rd grade though

The portal of being in a closet or secretly talking on a burner phone? Which was the context of this discussion MOO

 

[indicolite22]

I haven't compared the dates she gave yet, but my first impression was that MG was being completely truthful but may have recalled the wrong year for some events she gave. MG met Chad in summer of 2017 according to her own book's forward that was written by Chad. I was a bit surprised to learn she didn't meet Lori until Oct 2018 and wonder if she meant 2017 for meeting Lori.

BBM. I'm not surprised. If they had met in 2017 and became friends then Melanie would have likely also covered the time when Joseph Ryan died in 2018.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Just finished watching, My take is that i feel MG is playing down her own involvement in the beliefs a little but is otherwise being truthful about all the info she has on lori and chad. I now also think her smile/smirk is because she's a little nervous, she also seems very sane and willing to admit she got sucked in, i found her very much to be authentic and believable. The complete opposite of what i felt watching MP.

i pretty much agree.... i remain a bit nervous about still downplaying the cult thing, and how much knowledge she actually does have...we shall see. I really want to hear from the boyfriend too... there are some wild emails attributed to him out there in social media and other sites..

 

[spandangly]

Is anybody starting to feel deja vu with these ladies? White, blonde, giggly, somewhat emotionally flat and have a weird way of holding their mouths tight

Some of that (white and blond) is just the stereotypical Mormon, especially in this area--UT/AZ/ID. I've come to think that Melani P has (at least some) false teeth which is what made her mouth seem odd. MOO based on my experience with dental work.

Second, I had the realization MOO that if MG really thought the kids were in hiding (she's already spoken to police) there would be more of an active search effort going on. And it would be irresponsible IMO for EIN to withhold that information for ratings--they would want to get the word out to get boots on the ground. And I don't think EIN would withhold the possibility that the children could be found somewhere and therefore delay a potential search.

(Edited to clarify)

 

[Spartygirl]

Nate Eaton - Reporter

Part 1!

AWESOME !! Thank you for sharing it. I am anxious to read it

 

[nhmemorymaker]

BBM. I'm not surprised. If they had met in 2017 and became friends then Melanie would have likely also covered the time when Joseph Ryan died in 2018.

I was surprised at the 2018 too. But she did qualify that it was only brief meetings that she had met Chad at book signings or such, before she met Lori.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

I have always felt like the heart of this matter rests in Chad. Specifically, does he actually believe what he is writing, teaching and professing to other people? Is he deluded? Is he a master manipulator? Did he learn from an early age how to influence people with his mystical stories? Does he actually believe his stuff?

After listening to Melanie Gibb’s part 1 interview, it appears that Lori was desperately searching for deeper meaning in her spiritual life and Chad filled that gap. I will take Melanie’s statements at face value for now.

“If he (Chad) is Satan, he is a good one.” Reportedly this is what Lori said about Chad to Melanie Gibb. She should have listened to this gut check.

I think she's kinda scared still. This case has drawn nationwide attention (worldwide actually) and she's been hiding for 5 months.

Chad appears to be the instigator if I'm interpreting this interview correctly. Which I've suspected for awhile. Lori happily went along with it.

Jmo

The heart of the matter is that Lori is the mother of JJ and Tylee MOO And she is not answering where they are. She is not insane by way of the law. MOO

 

[Spartygirl]

I'm listening to part 1 now... 15 minutes in.

When you see two married people developing a romance and citing a higher being as to why they essentially have to keep lying to their spouses, at what point do you call foul? At what point do you admit to yourself that this "religion", and the people you're looking up to, are shams?

BBM--Listening ??
When I click the links, it only comes up as an article to read
I don't have a video
How can I watch it also ??
Thanks in advance

 

[JujuColumbo]

I’m thinking Lori should hook up with a good tattoo artist in jail....she needs to get “Sucker” tattooed across her forehead! I mean come on girl, I’m sure she has been hit on multiple times in her life, sounds like Chad was playing her like a fiddle....

 

[indicolite22]

Here's the part of the timeline that covers 2018, the year she claims Lori met Chad for the first time: ID - ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *MEDIA MAPS TIMELINE* NO DISCUSSION

I haven't compared the dates she gave yet, but my first impression was that MG was being completely truthful but may have recalled the wrong year for some events she gave. MG met Chad in summer of 2017 according to her own book's forward that was written by Chad. I was a bit surprised to learn she didn't meet Lori until Oct 2018 and wonder if she meant 2017 for meeting Lori. Either way, her order of events fits with what we know-- that Chad met MG at a campout in UT first and that Chad later came to speak in Mesa, AZ at an event arranged by MG. She also confirms something we suspected from previous evidence-- that Chad stayed in Lori's house during an event held in Mesa. She also told us some new info-- that Chad told Lori upon their supposed first meeting that they (i.e. Lori & Chad) had been married multiple times in previous lives. The things she said match up with what we know and she is going to be a key witness IMHO.

One thing I am left wondering is if maybe Chad and Lori had met previously, but did not let on to MG that they knew each other before the time they "met" in front of MG. Perhaps Chad gave that line about being married to Lori in previous lives and Lori went along with it, so that MG would not think it strange that these two who had not met before had an obvious instant connection with one another. Because it's nearly impossible to hide when you "meet" someone you already know, this would have been a good cover story for their affair among the "spiritual" crowd they were in at the time. So if Chad and Lori acted too "familiar" with each other around certain people and it was questioned, they could just brush it off as- "Oh, we were married to each other in previous lives so that' s why we seem to know each other so well." I think this is possible because some friends/family members in this case have said they think Lori and Chad met as early as 2016 and we know Lori was obsessed with Chad's books since around 2015. I think it's possible they totally snowed MG and she is still trying to recover from the gaslighting number that was done on her.

MOO.

I don't think that Chad and Lori met each other much ealier. IMO they would have tried to arrange meeting at previous events.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Some of that (white and blond) is just the stereotypical Mormon, especially in this area--UT/AZ/ID. I've come to think that Melani P has (at least some) false teeth which is what made her mouth seem odd. MOO based on my experience with dental work.

Second, I had the realization MOO that if MG really thought the kids were in hiding (she's already spoken to police) there would be more of an active search effort going on. And it would be irresponsible IMO for EIN to withhold that information for ratings--they would want to get the word out to get boots on the ground. And I don't think EIN would do that.

Interesting observation about Melani BP, @spandangly. In the very revealing divorce custody papers of Melani's father in 1996... he indicated how poor Melani's teeth were because of her mother's terrible habits and childrearing. (I know...only out there on other sites---BUT the facts in these legal documents does show @spandangly could be very astute.

agree on point 2 as well.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

A few posters on this board correctly pointed out the motives for keeping Chad's unorthodox beliefs secret. It was to protect the group from losing temple access.

Umm, but keep in mind, that this case is about two missing children!

It keeps getting lost in the mire.... and I see that in other criminal cases. Just muddy up the water with other stuff to lose focus.

Where are JJ and Tylee?

Focus focus focus... criminal charges on such vs. muddying the waters. If she is going to be a witness for the prosecution for the missing children soon for an upcoming trial... and she wanted to support the prosecution... why would she be espousing now?

I know if I were to really have the children's welfare and prosecution support for a trial, I would not be talking to media in a 3 hour interview which gives defense support.

MOO