Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #34

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  • #101
Crud, this has to be so hard for Charles' boys, for Colby, for the Daybell children....their parents behavior is totally being illuminated by a friend of their parents.

Yes...I kept thinking about Colby, who was lied to about Charles having an affair. He might have been able to help Charles if he had not been hoodwinked into believing what Lori said, when it was she having the affair.
 
  • #102
IMO, MG comes across as honest. Like most normal friends and faithful would, MG sounded like she had been concerned that Chad and Lori were entering territory with each other in late 2018 that they shouldn't have been as two people who were each still married to others. MG sounded openly curious, but mildly skeptical about the unconventional beliefs Chad and Lori were selling (married multiple times in past probations; their betrayed spouses would someday understand) that permitted their adulterous relationship.

I find it interesting that even though somewhat skeptical, MG played along some of the unconventional beliefs and with Chad's and Lori's use of the temple while they held and promoted those beliefs (and while Lori didn't attend church), even though their teachings and actions violated church authority. MG also seems very protective of the group, Preparing a People; insisting that they are not a "cult" (while saying that you really need to define what that word means) and that they (PAP) are nice people. It sounds like Lori - dissatisfied with her own marriage at the time as described here by MG - used that group as a jumping off point to go after Chad and once they met and placed each other on pedestals, they were both all in.

I wonder if it is generally understood among participants in PAP that church authority is being violated and undermined, but that those participating must keep the ways in which they do so quiet - like these are "spiritual searchers" who are more open to new beliefs than church-sanctioned, but recognize they are walking on thin ice. MG herself appears somewhat countercultural as far as the church goes, but unwilling to go as far as Chad and Lori go and skeptical about what is driving them. That's really an issue between PAP participants and their church, but interesting dynamics of secrecy and permissiveness that probably facilitated in Lori's and Chad's beliefs that it was up to them to decide what is acceptable and what isn't and whose business it was to know.

Interesting that Lori and Chad had separate, designated phones for communicating with each other. I wonder if the phones had cameras. I wonder if Lori's Chad-only-phone went into the "portal" with her when she was "spiritually" meeting with him. Imagine the data usage during those times. I wonder where Chad's portal was and whether whatever equipped it is now in FBI custody or at the local landfill.

IMO, it would be very nice to see what kind of phone activity occurred during these two around the time some of the life insurance changes were made (CV's account locking CV out; Tammy's policy limit being raised). Because, what's a leader of the 144,000 - or two lovebirds in a Hawaiian paradise who've moved on to the next con - to do without some funds to make it happen?

My impression...Melanie knows full well the attention this story has gotten world wide. She seems still in a protective mode of what she has been told about these "spiritual things" and how not to share them out right... Not sure if this is out of embarrassment of what the world will think or if she still is hanging on to a few tenants. (I think the later). Melanie seems to be straddling a fence with all her friends and peers who still attend these events. Second thing is that "portal" ..I am leaning towards "FaceTime" in the corner of the closet type of portal with 2 people having and affair but shrouding it in their made up religion and already being married in other lives. I am now curious to see the next part and if my opinions change and she lets her guard down and spills it all out. MOO
 
  • #103
Not allowed to divorce but allowed to kill their spouses? Chad appears to be a master of manipulation. The part I thought was super-odd was where Chad made a "vortex" in Lori's closet where she could go to "connect" with him.
If Chad could make a "vortex" in Lori's closet, then couldn't he also make a "spiritual vortex" in the Temple--a waiting room bench or a broom closet--for them to sit and do their "Temple work"--in their heads?

That, in my opinion, would explain how Lori could go to the Temple every day. Go to their "vortex"--special place--and sit and do whatever in her head.
 
  • #104
I've not followed this thread for sometime.

I'm trying to get back in my WS mode here...

My general impression after watching part #1 is as follows:

If a person knows they are going to be instrumental in being a prosecution witness, they would never go for a 3-4 hour mainstream interview so that the defense could use such later. Is she not on the witness list and been asked by the prosecution not to do such?

Will have to listen to again and again to see what talking points she is giving.

That's a no no for all criminal cases that I've followed. I've never known anyone who is wanting justice for the prosecution to do such in any case. The standard is do not talk to media if you are going to be a prosecution witness. Unless.... you don't want to be called by either side as both think you are tainted by so much publivity ( we did see that with Jodi Arias case...... hmmm)

MOO she's confusing and confounding and filling in blanks which are not illegal/used in court and giving excuses that may be later used by the defense? Not giving specifics as to dates or anything .....?
Interesting perspective. Given that two minor children are missing and it is unknown where they are or what has happened to them, I wonder if LE (and future prosecutors) have decided that, in the interest of finding those two kids, the tradeoff of drawing others out who may know things that could help get those answers about where they are/what happened to them is the greater good here.
 
  • #105
I saw something recently that said:

Rules of a Hustler:

1. If you're going to lie, lie big.
2. Claim partnership with God.

That's Chad and Lori Daybell for ya. :p

"Anyone who deprived her of something she wanted deserved what he got." - Jim Thompson, The Grifters.
 
  • #106
Just my opinion, but... If MG and Lori first met in October 2018, they really hadn't known each other very long before Charles died in July of 2019.

Things happen very quickly with this group: friendships, relationships, marriages, pregnancies, deaths... It's no wonder they need several lives / probations / translations / planets.
 
  • #107
Just thinking out loud, literally right now. We agree Chad is the driving force and master manipulator. So questions.

Why is Lori still mute in jail? Is Chad safer (as the ringleader) with Lori in prison or not? Where does he go from here? Jmo

I think lori might be the only one that truly believes in the crazy hot mess chad has been teaching, She may be expecting some kind of miracle to happen on july 22nd, she probably still believes she's some sort of god that will get out of this. Her demeanor this whole time has been one of this nonchalant im in total control, i know something you don't know kind of attitude, while Chad has been seen in photos in his car with his head in his hands looking completely defeated and and was calling up MG petrified about the police etc. That's not the actions of a man who truly believes he's come kind of chosen one doing gods work, lori on the other hand is acting just like shes some chosen one with no care in the world about any of this.
 
  • #108
I believe that the reason Chad Daybell wanted to maintain his "temple recommend" is that it is a "status symbol" in an LDS community/network. If you lose it, especially when you had one before, it can have subtle social and business ramifications. And not so subtle.

Maybe not understood by folks who don't live in a very LDS environment. It is huge.
 
  • #109
Umm, but keep in mind, that this case is about two missing children!

It keeps getting lost in the mire.... and I see that in other criminal cases. Just muddy up the water with other stuff to lose focus.

Where are JJ and Tylee?

Focus focus focus... criminal charges on such vs. muddying the waters. If she is going to be a witness for the prosecution for the missing children soon for an upcoming trial... and she wanted to support the prosecution... why would she be espousing now?

I know if I were to really have the children's welfare and prosecution support for a trial, I would not be talking to media in a 3 hour interview which gives defense support.

MOO

JMO but I don't see a scenario where anything she is saying in public (to the media especially) hasn't already been said to investigators along with more substantial information. And of course, all of that would naturally be shared by the prosecution with defense as a matter of discovery.
 
  • #110
I wonder now since Chad probably realizes this is not going away if he can talk Lori into taking the blame on everything. I wonder if Lori would fall for it, he can probably make up some reason that if she takes the fall he can continue doing his great works. No sense both of us being in jail. He will tell her he can visit in the portal and they will be together in the next life. Jmo while I am on my treadmill trying to lose the weight I've gained isolating
 
  • #111
Umm, but keep in mind, that this case is about two missing children!

It keeps getting lost in the mire.... and I see that in other criminal cases. Just muddy up the water with other stuff to lose focus.

Where are JJ and Tylee?

Focus focus focus... criminal charges on such vs. muddying the waters. If she is going to be a witness for the prosecution for the missing children soon for an upcoming trial... and she wanted to support the prosecution... why would she be espousing now?

I know if I were to really have the children's welfare and prosecution support for a trial, I would not be talking to media in a 3 hour interview which gives defense support.

MOO

Also, EIN has been working *very* closely with LE since the beginning--including not spooking the Daybells in HI. I would imagine this is also in close concert with LE. Nate wouldn't want to damage his LE relationships, or those he has built with the Woodcocks and the public.
 
  • #112
A few people have comments about this or that person not wanting to call what LVD and CD were doing a cult. I can understand that.

I'm mainstream Mormon and I can't possibly tell you how many times I've been "kindly" informed by people that I belong to a cult and need to leave the Church and repent. Maybe it's easier in higher-density LDS areas, but it probably still happens.

Maybe if their doings were called something else, the people being interviewed might be more comfortable in agreeing with it.
 
  • #113
Completely unrelated to MG interview but has JJ’s birth mother spoken to media at all? If so, can someone please provide a link? I’m not interested in sleuthing her but would like to see or read anything she’s had to say publicly. TIA
 
  • #114
I was wrong about Chad's chat-up line.

I thought it was probably 'I've seen beyond the veil, Tammy's going to die on me'.

I should have known that was probably a little too advanced, even for Chad, so he took it more slowly with 'hey, you and I have been married before!''
 
  • #115
Completely unrelated to MG interview but has JJ’s birth mother spoken to media at all? If so, can someone please provide a link? I’m not interested in sleuthing her but would like to see or read anything she’s had to say publicly. TIA
No she hasn't spoken.
 
  • #116
Yeah, when she included them with the victims we know are dead, it doesn't give much hope.

ETA: she did use "kidnapped" as well. I'm just pointing to this specific sentence.


It sounded to me like they received the impression from the spirit that they had been sealed. MOO they were probably just sitting in what's called the Celestial Room (scroll down for pics and info) and got some warm tingles in their nether regions and decided that was God telling them they were sealed. *Insert eyeroll*
My guess would be it happened in a sealing room, and they actually went through a normal sealing session on behalf of deceased ancestors, but pretended in their minds that the ordinance they were performing for the deceased ancestors was really for themselves. From all outward appearances they were just participating in a regular sealing session; only in their own minds they believed it was being done for themselves. Very troubling. Equally troubling is how did Lori get a temple recommend? MG says Lori wasn't active in Church, so how in the world did her Bishop and Stake President both sign off on her recommend? o_O
 
  • #117
My guess would be it happened in a sealing room, and they actually went through a normal sealing session on behalf of deceased ancestors, but pretended in their minds that the ordinance they were performing for the deceased ancestors was really for themselves. From all outward appearances they were just participating in a regular sealing session; only in their own minds they believed it was being done for themselves. Very troubling. Equally troubling is how did Lori get a temple recommend? MG says Lori wasn't active in Church, so how in the world did her Bishop and Stake President both sign off on her recommend? o_O
Could she not have had one from a few years previous?
 
  • #118
My guess would be it happened in a sealing room, and they actually went through a normal sealing session on behalf of deceased ancestors, but pretended in their minds that the ordinance they were performing for the deceased ancestors was really for themselves. From all outward appearances they were just participating in a regular sealing session; only in their own minds they believed it was being done for themselves. Very troubling. Equally troubling is how did Lori get a temple recommend? MG says Lori wasn't active in Church, so how in the world did her Bishop and Stake President both sign off on her recommend? o_O

Could she not have had one from a few years previous?

Yes, Temple recommend is good for two years from initial interview. If they visited any temple together before October 2019, Lori's recommend could have been renewed any time since October 2017 to be valid.

ETA: Chad's too for that matter, but the question was about her recommend.
 
  • #119
This was obviously the best of the interviews to date but them stating that MG knows CD and LV better than anyone in the world seems a bit over the top. She met Lori less than a year before the kids went missing and her interactions with CD seemed pretty limited
 
  • #120
Could she not have had one from a few years previous?

You have your temple recommendation renewed each year, during a meeting with your bishop. Your church records are reviewed, including your tithing account. Faithful members in good standing have all of their 10% income donated to the LDS church. You are asked if you are living according to LDS standards, no sex outside of marriage, no breaking commandments, things like that.
 
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