Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #34

[CSIDreamer]

This is one reason that its bizarre that they can both be seperately represented by the same attorney without there being a conflict of interest.

He hasn't been charged with anything as of yet. I really don't think there is a conflict of interest yet. Jmo

 

[AmandaSkis]

This interview only confirms more to me how i have felt all along, that chad is the driving force behind it all, the master manipulator and lori was the perfect follower, his teachings allowed lori to express her own narcissistic qualities, both as bad as each other but i believe chad is the driving force of all these beliefs. I also don't think he believed in them himself. i think he made them up as he went along, to sell his books, talks and manipulate the people around him.

IF we go with Chad as the manipulator, what do you think he’s doing behind the scenes? Lori is in jail, out of his direct reach; however, indoctrination doesn’t go away just because of distance. Plus right now, they have a common enemy (or even enemies) to keep them bound together.

 

[mickey2942]

I don't know why but I thought whether or not a person has a temple recommend is very private. Is it an open secret or do I have the wrong impression? Jmo

You see your peers from church, work, at the temple. Think of it like a country club, for LDS people. In a place like Rexburg, pretty much, everyone "knows" who goes to the LDS church, and who has a temple recommend. And of course, temple garments are able to be "seen" under clothing. Subtle. It is sort of something you "know" if you grew up in that culture.

 

[SleuthD-o-doubleg]

Could she not have had one from a few years previous?

Recommends expire after a couple years so you need one renewed to use it

 

[SleuthD-o-doubleg]

I don't know why but I thought whether or not a person has a temple recommend is very private. Is it an open secret or do I have the wrong impression? Jmo

Imo, having one is up to you on if you tell others. But most people in a smaller town seem to know someone else who saw someone at the temple. Jmo

 

[SleuthD-o-doubleg]

This is one reason that its bizarre that they can both be seperately represented by the same attorney without there being a conflict of interest.

Imo it’s a huge conflict of interest but I’m not a lawyer so my opinion may not mean much. I liked what someone else mentioned how it’s about power for Chad. I can see that being the case here. All jmo

 

[tresir2012]

Part 1: Melanie Gibb describes Chad and Lori Daybells' religious beliefs and her relationship with the couple | East Idaho News

This is the video and an account of Part 1 of the interview. The last paragraph of the article is copied out below.

Doubting the beliefs
Lori eventually stopped going to church but would attend the temple as often as she could. It was her favorite place, according to Gibb, and even though she was still married to Charles, and Chad was married to Tammy, they went together.

One day, Lori told Gibb she was sealed to Chad.

Latter-day Saints believe relationships continue after death for a husband and wife who are sealed in the temple. Sealings are performed by officiators in the temple and are recorded in church records. People cannot be sealed to a second spouse if they are legally married to a living person already.

“(Lori said) they felt they were sealed by those on the other side of the veil that had the authority to do that,” Gibb says. “She said it was OK they did this because they had been married so many times before, that their (current) spouses would understand someday.”

Other teachings alarmed Gibb, such as Chad creating a spiritual “portal” in Lori’s closet or other places.

“A portal is a spot where he said a prayer or something to create the portal. I wasn’t there, so I don’t know. … (But) it was a way for them to interact spiritually,” Gibb says. “I thought it was different. I thought, ‘How do you do that?’ … It was pretty extreme, but to me, everything was new.”

Gibb says Chad had an extensive chart that ranked people based on their spiritual level. It showed Biblical apostles, the current Latter-day Saint 12 apostles, celebrities, friends and family members. It was four pages, and Gibb says it detailed how many lives each of the people have lived, whether they were “dark” or “light” spirits, their previous names, and other bizarre information.

Lori had experienced 21 lives, and Chad was on his 31st life, according to the chart. Both had lived five lives on this earth, and Chad was considered a Holy Ghost.

She said she always had a “little bit of doubt” about what Chad was saying and Lori did too.

“Two to three times, (Lori) said to me, ‘If Chad is Satan, he sure is a good one,'” Gibb says. “That tends to lead me to believe she wasn’t 100% convinced either.”

Chad and Lori only seemed to share these extreme beliefs with those who were close to them. Looking back now, Gibb believes they kept it private so their church membership would not be put in jeopardy.

“When you go in the temple, there are certain questions they ask you to see if your belief systems are consistent with the doctrine,” Gibb says. “They were inconsistent, so that’s the reason they’re going to be secretive about it.”

She said their doctrine was not affiliated with any Christianity she knew of.

“It’s not doctrine that comes from Jesus Christ – it comes from the Adversary (devil),” she said.

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In part 2 of our interview, Gibb discusses Lori’s move to Rexburg, Tammy Daybell’s death, Charles Vallow’s death, zombies and the call from Chad Daybell that changed everything. It will be posted Wednesday on EastIdahoNews.com at 8 a.m. MST.

 

[SleuthD-o-doubleg]

You see your peers from church, work, at the temple. Think of it like a country club, for LDS people. In a place like Rexburg, pretty much, everyone "knows" who goes to the LDS church, and who has a temple recommend. And of course, temple garments are able to be "seen" under clothing. Subtle. It is sort of something you "know" if you grew up in that culture.

I believe I mentioned before, garments don’t necessarily mean you have a current recommend. But I definitely agree Rexburg is a smaller town and people seem to know others peoples dealings more than a larger city. It also probably doesn’t help things that the Rexburg temple gets people who visit from surrounding areas as well.

 

[indicolite22]

This is one reason that its bizarre that they can both be seperately represented by the same attorney without there being a conflict of interest.

Even with two different attorneys, if Chad was paying for both, wouldn't there still be conflict?

 

[Onsdag]

There have been plenty of wild theories thrown out here by many without anything to substantiate it within TOS. However, that is the MODS job to handle those issues. What I was simply saying is that I don't feel this person's intentions are to start a smear campaign against CV.

I'm glad they're a part of these threads even if I don't always agree.

I'm mixed.

On the one hand I am absolutely open for wild theories and speculation that might help explain this case - regardless of whether it's for or against the prosecution or defense - so long as it can be reasonably supported by the facts of the case. And for this reason, like you, I have been open to listening to KonaHonu and appreciated their contribution even if I don't always agree. And they have often spoken intelligently about a wide variety of matters and have provided factual information to support their views.

On the other hand there is a point where wild speculation and theories begin to cross a line and come across as very offensive towards the real victims of the case. And, IMO, this person has done this a few times. Furthermore, I can't seem to figure out this person's motives or angle in why they put forth the things they do because they are often completely contradicting themselves and "muddying the waters" as others have said. For example, much earlier in this case, while Lori and Chad were in Hawaii, this person went to great measures to defend them, arguing that they hadn't committed any crimes and also the legalities of extraditing them. They were very strict about doing things by the book and protecting their rights. However, in the very next breath they were almost gleefully calling for the Hawaiian locals to exercise their own form of vigilantism and justice upon Lori and Chad by beating them up without due process of law when by their own admission they didn't even acknowledge there was any proof of a crime. I called them out at that time for this contradiction in their attitude and they simply said that the Hawaiian legal system was different than the rest of the United States. To me this still doesn't explain or even justify the obvious contradiction in their words and behavior and comes across as disingenuous and harmful to the case. It muddies the waters.

There have been many other contradictions in behavior by this person. They demand facts, evidence, etc., from people to support their opinions and beliefs, but then they often turn around and don't provide those same things when they are called out on it, only insinuating that they can't provide it because it would be against the TOS because it involves third parties indirectly (which in itself is against the TOS). Another example, they insist on facts and evidence, and make good logical arguments, showing that they are a very intelligent and well-reasoned person able to make a persuasive and rational case for why they believe the things they do, and then in the next breath they throw out these wild hair-brained theories and speculation that have no foundation in reality, known facts, and good common sense. Sometimes it seems like they strongly defend Lori, Chad, et al., other times they seem to be calling for their heads. Sometimes they agree that Charles, Tammy, the children, etc., are victims in this case and deserve justice, and in the very next post they make awful insinuations that maybe they're not as innocent and could be at fault for who knows what.

It's all very disturbing and confusing. It's like this person is actually multiple people sharing the same account. Or someone who is purposefully trying to sow seeds of confusion and interject doubt into the case. Or is simply confused themselves by this case and trying to make sense of it all in their own way. I don't know. It's all really bizzare and I'm still trying to make sense of this person. Half the time I look forward to seeing their posts and appreciate their contribution, and the other half the time I get annoyed, frustrated and am left in shock and scratching my head as to why they just posted the things they did.

And so I circle back around to the beginning. I'm willing to entertain wild speculation and theories, no matter who puts it forth, so long as it can be supported by known facts and good common sense. And so long as it remains respectful and decent, especially of the victims involved who don't have a voice or way to defend themselves from unjustified attacks or aspersions. JMO and FWIW.

 

[tresir2012]

My first thought regarding this interview is how is any lawyer going to be able to deal with this. It seems that Lori was bewitched by Chad and to some degree so was MG and maybe also MP and IP. MG knew it was wrong but did podcasts with him and Lori, and she had her book published with a foreword by him and was completely suckered in. I am still of the opinion Lori met Chad before 2018.

 

[CSIDreamer]

You see your peers from church, work, at the temple. Think of it like a country club, for LDS people. In a place like Rexburg, pretty much, everyone "knows" who goes to the LDS church, and who has a temple recommend. And of course, temple garments are able to be "seen" under clothing. Subtle. It is sort of something you "know" if you grew up in that culture.

Okay, there's something I misunderstood somehow. I thought the undergarments were daily LDS wear. Jmo

 

[pizzaman12]

Who do you think knowns CD and LV's relationship better than LV's best friend?

Not necessarily the relationship. In the first couple of minutes she is asked, "is it fair to say you know Chad and lori more than anybody". That I dont really accept (mainly on the chad side)

In reality, it doesn't sound like she knows Chad much at all outside of what Lori told her.

She also stated he was very private and he would talk to Lori and then she would share what they spoke about. (She also stated he spoke to other people like that as well, men and women so I'd assume there are others he was talking to directly that would know him better)

She also later stated, "I didn't talk to him very often". That to me doesn't sound like the person who knows him better than anyone in the world.

I'm not saying she doesn't know Lori better than others (living) or more about the relationship. I'm just saying she met Lori roughly 11 months before the kids disappeared. It's not like she's known both of them for ages.

I will say I think the timeline she knew her along is a critical one. Even listening to Colby talk, this is not the mom he knows. So the time in which she transformed into what she is now I feel has more importance than what she was 10 years ago as many have voiced that is not who she is. So, I think the TIME in which they were close is critical in this case.

Again, the difference in the knowing them" vs. "relationship" is all I was pointing out.

Definitely a great interview, interested in the next 2 as I anticipate they'll blow the top off. Plus, anything is better than watching that garbage interview with Lori's mom and sister.

 

[tresir2012]

Who do you think knowns CD and LV's relationship better than LV's best friend?

Tylee and Alex, probably, plus CD's children maybe too. The temple staff must know them pretty well also as they went so often. Seems like he was at the Rexburg Temple with Tammy and the Mesa Temple with Lori.

 

[SleuthD-o-doubleg]

Okay, there's something I misunderstood somehow. I thought the undergarments were daily LDS wear. Jmo

If you are an endowed member (see link below), you typically wear your garments everyday. There are exceptions such as bathing, swimming, exercises (though some may choose to wear them while exercising).
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/temples/what-is-temple-endowment?lang=eng

 

[indicolite22]

Not necessarily the relationship. In the first couple of minutes she is asked, "is it fair to say you know Chad and lori more than anybody". That I dont really accept (mainly on the chad side)

In reality, it doesn't sound like she knows Chad much at all outside of what Lori told her.

She also stated he was very private and he would talk to Lori and then she would share what they spoke about. (She also stated he spoke to other people like that as well, men and women so I'd assume there are others he was talking to directly that would know him better)

She also later stated, "I didn't talk to him very often". That to me doesn't sound like the person who knows him better than anyone in the world.

I'm not saying she doesn't know Lori better than others (living) or more about the relationship. I'm just saying she met Lori roughly 11 months before the kids disappeared. It's not like she's known both of them for ages.

I will say I think the timeline she knew her along is a critical one. Even listening to Colby talk, this is not the mom he knows. So the time in which she transformed into what she is now I feel has more importance than what she was 10 years ago as many have voiced that is not who she is. So, I think the TIME in which they were close is critical in this case.

Again, the difference in the knowing them" vs. "relationship" is all I was pointing out.

Definitely a great interview, interested in the next 2 as I anticipate they'll blow the top off. Plus, anything is better than watching that garbage interview with Lori's mom and sister.

Relationship or their joint beliefs, same argument. Emphasis on Lori AND Chad, not each one separately. Name a better person to interview.

 

[Spartygirl]

As minutes and hours go by...I am actually getting more questions.
I certainly wondered why Nate did not ask about the pool party? It tied directly into that part about Chad and Melanie staying at Lori's house, and them as "the group of 6".

I am actually really wondering about the timing too? Something does not feel right. ...

• Melanie is going out of her way to travel to these events where Chad is ----> Ogden, St. Georges etc...
• April in Hawaii says Lori was reading Chad's books way back a few years.
• But Melanie only meets Lori at Church Oct 2018,
• and says Lori only meets Chad in 10 or 11/2018.
• Lori sends dancing videos in Jan 2019.
• I also expect Lori was living off some proceeds of Joe Ryan's death during these latter months in 2018... the plot develops.

I still think/feel Lori knew Chad much earlier.....

BBM- You are reading my mind LOL
I have been reading old articles, old interviews, etc and have come to the same thought-- I think they met each other before the date given by MG.
Maybe MG does not know that, maybe she does and just isn't saying.
April said LVD started reading Chad's books IIRC back in 2015 -2016
LVD just happens to show up at one of MG's church classes and LVD Introduces herself to MG-- perhaps planned in advance by DC and LVD ??
JMO

 

[Onsdag]

I don't know why but I thought whether or not a person has a temple recommend is very private. Is it an open secret or do I have the wrong impression? Jmo

It is private. It may be possible to make an educated guess if a person is endowed, but that doesn't actually tell you if they hold a current temple recommend, only that they once did. The only real way to know is if they volunteer that information.

And quite frankly, I've never experienced any social/business ramifications, subtle or otherwise, from not having a current temple recommend. I've never felt ostracized or shunned or any lesser or not been given opportunities for work for not having one. And while it is possible that it may happen such behavior would be inappropriate for a true follower of Christ. We believe in trying to help all people, no matter where they are on the path of life. And so while they may not have the opportunity to attend the temple without a temple recommend, a good friend and Latter-Day Saint would try and help another person to aim for and reach that goal, not disparage or shun them. MOO and experience.

 

[Spartygirl]

As minutes and hours go by...I am actually getting more questions.
I certainly wondered why Nate did not ask about the pool party? It tied directly into that part about Chad and Melanie staying at Lori's house, and them as "the group of 6".

I am actually really wondering about the timing too? Something does not feel right. ...

• Melanie is going out of her way to travel to these events where Chad is ----> Ogden, St. Georges etc...
• April in Hawaii says Lori was reading Chad's books way back a few years.
• But Melanie only meets Lori at Church Oct 2018,
• and says Lori only meets Chad in 10 or 11/2018.
• Lori sends dancing videos in Jan 2019.
• I also expect Lori was living off some proceeds of Joe Ryan's death during these latter months in 2018... the plot develops.

I still think/feel Lori knew Chad much earlier.....

BBM- You are reading my mind LOL
I have been reading old articles, old interviews, etc and have come to the same thought-- I think they met each other before the date given by MG.
Maybe MG does not know that, maybe she does and just isn't saying.
April said LVD started reading Chad's books IIRC back in 2015 -2016
LVD just happens to show up at one of MG's church classes and LVD Introduces herself to MG-- perhaps planned in advance by DC and LVD ??
JMO

 

[mickey2942]

Okay, there's something I misunderstood somehow. I thought the undergarments were daily LDS wear. Jmo

No, only for LDS people who have a temple recommend. You can be active LDS and never go to the LDS temple. And there are different levels of temple ordinances. It is not relevant to this topic though.