Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #34

[MTW2011]

I can’t wait for the other parts of Nate’s interview with Melanie this week. She is definitely helping move some of the disjointed puzzle pieces closer together. I personally, just MOO, now feel that Chad is possibly much more of a leader in this and Lori a manipulated and infatuated follower. Maybe Chad is really pulling all the strings behind the scenes. I didn’t think this way before but my opinion is slowly changing.

I also am disappointed to see that some other reporters seem to have been really had their feathers ruffled seeing Nate land such an in-depth interview with MG now. I’m sure other reporters/networks asked her for a long time now. I noticed saw of these reporters going so far as adding MG to their Facebook personal page and then commenting on many of her recent
Photos for her to check her Messages, just made me a bit disheartened. For one, I don’t like thinking there’s some competition going on for who can publish the latest and greatest scoop but that’s just MOO.

 

[Onsdag]

Im not sure the word planets is the right word. My gut tells me they believe in past lives on diferent planes of existence.

Well, if we're going by LDS theology (which this clearly isn't, but it is very loosely based upon) then a "mortal probation" is our life here on earth. Which is a planet. Since these people believe in "multiple mortal probations" then the assumption is that they believe they have lived multiple lives, either on this planet or a different one. JMO.

 

[pizzaman12]

Relationship or their joint beliefs, same argument. Emphasis on Lori AND Chad, not each one separately. Name a better person to interview.

You're twisting what I said. All I stated was it was a bit over the top say she knows both of them better than anyone.

Where did I state there was a better person to interview?

However, I'd love to hear from some of the other people he was speaking with directly as he was with lori and not relayed information. Some of the "men and women" she referenced

She's obviously a person with a wealth of information in this case but I doubt she's the only person with helpful information. She's just willing to share it.

 

[SleuthD-o-doubleg]

So if Tammy and their kids never attended any events, imo, Chad had the perfect set up to be as sneaky as he wanted with mingling around with Lori. But what else could he be hiding if he was hiding this whole other life?

 

[Onsdag]

Relationship or their joint beliefs, same argument. Emphasis on Lori AND Chad, not each one separately. Name a better person to interview.

Agreed. While, for example, Chad's children or parents would know him better than anyone alive I'm fairly certain he would have kept his relationship with Lori a secret from them, and perhaps even some of his more outlandish beliefs.

 

[spandangly]

It's pretty easy to make an educated guess if someone has a recommend. But garments only tell you if they had one in the past. I wouldn't be surprised if at these PAP meetings, going to the temple together was one of the activities. People often go as a congregation or other group, and it certainly seems like they were going in smaller groups. Chad wouldn't want to lose his status with these people. You can only beg off "I have a headache" so many times before ppl catch on.

It's also very easy to just lie and get a recommend. This isn't an FBI background check. The Bishop basically asks you *if you feel you are worthy*. You say Yes and that's the end of it.

Anyhow, it's obvious they had them and attended the temple and discussed it a lot amongst themselves. Anything beyond that I would agree just seems like hanging out in the weeds and isn't relevant.

 

[SleuthD-o-doubleg]

Something else I’m wondering, how much did Tylee and JJ know about this group of people and their mom? You would think they’d notice extra people being over all the time or their mom constantly getting phone calls and texts. All jmo

 

[KonaHonu]

There is no evidence he had any business partners just employees. LV took money out that was earmarked for payroll for those employees. That is what we have evidence for.

There is ample evidence!

Please go to the Arizona Corporation Commission web page Arizona Corporation Commission, enter "Vallow" in the Principal Name field and follow what comes up. You will find some of CV's business partners. I won't name them because i don't think that is allowed. Follow the trail and you will find a great deal more information that you seem to be disputing without any evidence at all.

You need to link the details of the company you have mentioned showing a connection to LV and CV and any evidence of what you have found for what you are alleging. I don't believe there is any and I wonder why you are trying to smear a dead man.

Then go to the Harris County Texas probate court (Web Inquiry) and find the probate filings related to his death. You'll find he is involved in at least 2 LLCs. One has an outstanding loan of $200,000. The Texas Secretary of State will verify for you that CV was a member of the LLC and if you pay them they will tell you sho the other members are. PFS Marketing LLC was apparently dissolved in 2018 and PFS Marketing Inc was formed at about the same time. Once again, you cam pay to find out who the officers and shareholders are.

The same probate filing exhibits a promissory note signed by CV on behalf of PFS Marketing LLC for $200,000 offering an equity stake in PFS as well as a company with initial AA. Look into the background of the principals of AA. There are many fraud complaints against them that resulted in being barred from the financial industry. Also many federal tax liens.

I've made the argument that Lori likely had a lawful claim to half of CVs life insurance proceeds. People here want to believe she did not and that is fine. But, if the man owed me $200,000 and his widow, who was also his business partner, had a claim on life insurance that could be used to pay be back, you can bet your life I'd be putting the squeeze on her. Now, I'm a law abiding guy so I'd do it in the courts. But people with a disregard for authority just might resort to more extreme collection techniques.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Not necessarily the relationship. In the first couple of minutes she is asked, "is it fair to say you know Chad and lori more than anybody". That I dont really accept (mainly on the chad side)

In reality, it doesn't sound like she knows Chad much at all outside of what Lori told her.

She also stated he was very private and he would talk to Lori and then she would share what they spoke about. (She also stated he spoke to other people like that as well, men and women so I'd assume there are others he was talking to directly that would know him better)

She also later stated, "I didn't talk to him very often". That to me doesn't sound like the person who knows him better than anyone in the world.

I'm not saying she doesn't know Lori better than others (living) or more about the relationship. I'm just saying she met Lori roughly 11 months before the kids disappeared. It's not like she's known both of them for ages.

I will say I think the timeline she knew her along is a critical one. Even listening to Colby talk, this is not the mom he knows. So the time in which she transformed into what she is now I feel has more importance than what she was 10 years ago as many have voiced that is not who she is. So, I think the TIME in which they were close is critical in this case.

Again, the difference in the knowing them" vs. "relationship" is all I was pointing out.

Definitely a great interview, interested in the next 2 as I anticipate they'll blow the top off. Plus, anything is better than watching that garbage interview with Lori's mom and sister.

Thanks for providing an out-loud giggle at the end!!
And I do agree about the "depth" of this relationship. I do feel Nate was lucky to get the interview, and he is good...but he is also being a bit soft. Understandable, however. But remember how deeply Melanie felt about Melani... the "love" sure felt much deeper than her words for Lori. But how can that really be...Melani was still married, raising four kids (her FB posts were certainly full of very heavy mainstream LDS).

So I agree...the "time in which they were close is critical". And all things considered, that time was the worst of the worst.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I believe I mentioned before, garments don’t necessarily mean you have a current recommend. But I definitely agree Rexburg is a smaller town and people seem to know others peoples dealings more than a larger city. It also probably doesn’t help things that the Rexburg temple gets people who visit from surrounding areas as well.

I actually do not understand your last sentence. Can you explain more?

 

[nhmemorymaker]

BBM- You are reading my mind LOL
I have been reading old articles, old interviews, etc and have come to the same thought-- I think they met each other before the date given by MG.
Maybe MG does not know that, maybe she does and just isn't saying.
April said LVD started reading Chad's books IIRC back in 2015 -2016
LVD just happens to show up at one of MG's church classes and LVD Introduces herself to MG-- perhaps planned in advance by DC and LVD ??
JMO

Yep...same questions.
Who do you mean with the statement "LVD just happens to show up at one of MGs church classes (but were they PAP) and LVD introduces herself to MG, perhaps planned in advance by DC (who??) and LVD (huh??) Jason is part of this but I really don't remember or know who DC is?

 

[pizzaman12]

Kim Powell

Status of JJ guardianship. Hope I linked this correctly

Mark means fails to show up for Zoom conference call

 

[SleuthD-o-doubleg]

I actually do not understand your last sentence. Can you explain more?

There are members of the LDS faith all over but geographically speaking, the Rexburg temple would have visitors from Ashton, St Anthony, Sugar, Teton, and others (these are surrounding cities where other LDS members may be but they do not have a temple in their city).

 

[Onsdag]

Yep...same questions.
Who do you mean with the statement "LVD just happens to show up at one of MGs church classes (but were they PAP) and LVD introduces herself to MG, perhaps planned in advance by DC (who??) and LVD (huh??) Jason is part of this but I really don't remember or know who DC is?

Not to speak for them, but I'm assuming DC was supposed to be CD (Chad Daybell) and LVD is Lori Vallow Daybell.

 

[SleuthD-o-doubleg]

Kim Powell

Status of JJ guardianship. Hope I linked this correctly

Thank you for sharing! Interesting how Means “conveniently” decided not to show up and Lori “didn’t know” about it. That doesn’t seem to make sense. It isn’t like Lori has a whole lot going on in jail. I remember Means making such a big deal in his two hour vent session that he specifically made sure he knew what was going on and had his things lined up right. If that’s true, then maybe he is either swamped with discovery, isn’t being paid by CD and Lori, or decided he didn’t need to show up. It’s possible he forgot, but I can’t imagine he doesn’t have a secretary who could help keep appointments straight. Either way that can’t be good a good look for them as clients if Means isn’t paying attention to when he needs to be present. All jmo

 

[Teche]

Ummm, when they both have burner phones.. *lightbulb for dense folks* = affair MOO

Gibbs didn’t know what’s a burner phone. Maybe caves have no internet reception.

 

[Drc40]

...I feel the wild claims have been the minority with good info and questions the rest of the time.

Hi, can you please give us an example of the “wild claims” you’re referring to?

 

[CSIDreamer]

Friendly insertion.

I think the discussion regarding TOS being ignored, wild claims, not linking factual info should be discontinued.

As frustrated as I get, even discussing well . . . what we've been discussing is against TOS.

But right now, we have part 1 released today with parts 2 and 3 coming. We need the thread to stay open and no TOs issued so we can continue discussing this interview with each other.

I get it. Trust me. Scroll and roll. Or ignore. It's a super helpful feature.

Jmo

 

[Deerrun]

Thank you for sharing! Interesting how Means “conveniently” decided not to show up and Lori “didn’t know” about it. That doesn’t seem to make sense. It isn’t like Lori has a whole lot going on in jail. I remember Means making such a big deal in his two hour vent session that he specifically made sure he knew what was going on and had his things lined up right. If that’s true, then maybe he is either swamped with discovery, isn’t being paid by CD and Lori, or decided he didn’t need to show up. It’s possible he forgot, but I can’t imagine he doesn’t have a secretary who could help keep appointments straight. Either way that can’t be good a good look for them as clients if Means isn’t paying attention to when he needs to be present. All jmo

Maybe Means did not attend on purpose as to delay the inevitable. I would be more likely to believe that imo. Not sure why he would do it 0n purpose though, doesnt the state already have temp custody but I have a hard time believing an attorney would forget a court date with all sorts of reminders available. Is he really that bad or is this some sort of strategy. Maybe he wants to be fired who knows jmo

 

[CSIDreamer]

Maybe Means did not attend on purpose as to delay the inevitable. I would be more likely to believe that imo. Not sure why he would do it 0n purpose but I have a hard time believing an attorney would forget a court date with all sorts of reminders available. Is he really that bad or is this some sort of strategy. Maybe he wants to be fired who knows jmo

Isn't there some sort of hand slap for attorneys that just don't show up for court dates? Jmo