Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #34

[indicolite22]

LE already has MG's statements, so it seems like these interviews are intended to invite those who might be helpful (whether they know it or not) in finding the children or their bodies. Such persons can either come forward and disclose what they know so LE can get to the truth directly, or they can leave LE and prosecutors to arrive at the closest approximation of the truth they can get to by building to it circumstantially.

I hope those people will heed MG's call to seriously think about the relationship of Christ and how he lived while here, his healing, his revealing lightness and lifting of burdens, and the truth. Christ is about an invitation to freedom. Darkness, chaos, lies, and confusion are not; they bind, confine, weigh heavily, and trap.

"Above all, don't lie to yourself. The man who lies to himself and listens to his own lie comes to a point that he cannot distinguish the truth within him, or around him, and so loses all respect for himself and for others. And having no respect he ceases to love." - Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov

There have already been too many lies here. It's long past time for some truth.

Sadly I think only Chad, Lori and Alex knew what happened to the kids. If they didn't trust Melanie, they would trust someone else even less. There was no motive to take the kids into hiding.

 

[Anonymous91]

Part 2 was hard to watch... especially at the end, when MG seems to be empathizing with poor Lori sitting in jail instead of being with the love of her life/lives, Chad... whom MG still loves, by the way. I think she even calls it a tragedy, that Lori can't be with Chad. Did I hear that right?

So bizarre.

Any idea where JJ and Tylee may be now?

Yea, the bizarre thing is how she seemed to almost condone their relationship?

What surprises me, is that even though divorce is more common in the LDS community, it is not looked on favorably. However, here is Lori talking about full blown adultery, and MG doesn't even seem to be that concerned?

Being LDS my whole life, this would be sending red flags up all over the place. At the very least, MG should have advised her friend to meet with the Bishop (Clergy), if not went and discussed it with him herself. Affairs are grounds for excommunication. For MG to treat this so flippantly is mind-blowing in itself.

She said she briefly met Charles, and he seemed like a nice guy. Yet during the end of this interview, poor Charles is completely ignored, I guess she doesn't even consider that he was murdered. Where's the sympathy for him? JMO

Personally I think LVD and CD deserve to both get exactly what they deserve. If they killed those kids, I vote for the death penalty. Actions have consequences.

I can empathize that they are human, just like the rest of us, but we are all responsible for our choices. It just made me sad that MG seemed to care more about LVD and CD than she did about CV.

MOO

 

[Diddian]

Quoting my own because this is another o that jumped out of another article.

Gaslighting -- Coercive Influence & Control

BBM and SBM to conserve space.

“Coercive manipulation can occur in any relationship -- intimate, friendship, work or student-related, high-demand group, family, or otherwise. An adult can be promised a better quality of life, enduring love, an easy solution to life's complex problems, a promise to actualize her dreams. Her (although it can be "his") strengths and vulnerabilities are exploited, she becomes more dependent emotionally and financially. A child in such a system may become "parentified" in role-reversal to take care of the parent's needs. It can be dangerous to assert personal rights and pursue healthy goals. Differentiation, self-autonomy and self-agency are not tolerated or diminished.

The abuser/perpetrator is good at what he does so beware! Over time anyone caught in the abuser's web internalizes inaccurate, self-limiting beliefs from traumatic experience and what the abuser declares is "right" or "True". Guilt and fear-induction is used to keep the victim in the abuser's control.”

Sound like TR? How long has this potentially been going on in this family? MOO JMO

To me, it sounds a lot like what MBP has been subjected to, from Lori and likely others in her mother's family of origin.

Psychotherapist Alice Miller wrote (in The Drama of the Gifted Child) about the suffering of children whose narcissistic parent tried to make them feel "special" in some way as a way of preparing that child to become caretaker of the parent's needs. Such people lock the child into the role by making them feel gifted (especially perceptive, or sensitive, or nurturing) in some way while at the same time exploiting that child and that "gift" to serve their own unfulfilled needs.

Giving up that "giftedness," that felt responsibility to care for the parent rather than to be cared for, is part of growing up and separating, but it is very painful and difficult. It requires understanding the full cost to oneself and being around others who love the individual enough to want them to be free and able to pursue fulfillment of their own needs.

 

[Onsdag]

They may have been sealed in HI temple after the legal ceremony on beach.

Being sealed in a temple is significantly different than a civil wedding in say Vegas. You can't just pop in with little or no notice and get sealed to your significant other. I don't know all the ins and outs of it, but as I understand it is a process that takes time and requires a lot of scrutiny/verification/approval from ecclesiastical leaders. Something Chad and Lori would most certainly have wanted to avoid.

 

[SleuthD-o-doubleg]

Please forgive the question as I have been away for a few days.... what did means miss? Was there a custody hearing? Thanks u in advance

Here’s the link to Kim Powell’s post
Kim Powell

 

[Nurse Gen]

Chad and Lori told MG they would be traveling to California with Chad’s children for Thanksgiving and that Tylee and JJ would not be with them. (MY NOTE: And what of Tammy?);

Tammy died in October. But IMO this revelation about Lori joining the Daybell family at Knott's Berry Farm sheds light on the reports we've heard about some of Chad's kids saying that Lori is a family friend who helped them with their grief over Tammy's death. But it also makes me wonder about the report that a friend of one of Chad's sons said that the son told this friend Chad just met a widow on a business trip to Hawaii and married her; IIRC this was the same friend who said that Chad's son said "he's not a bad guy, he just did some bad things" re: Chad.

 

[Colorado303]

Do we know if MG had discussions w/any LE agency other than Rexford police? I’m particularly interested to know if Chandler police and/or the FBI questioned her for insight into Charles’ death.

Especially Chandler PD. If MG tried to offer them information, I wouldn’t be surprised if they hung up on her. It appears that’s a can of worms they desperately want to remain sealed and buried. I’d like to think it’s a facade and they are aggressively pursuing justice for Charles, just secretly so.

Unfortunately based on what we know I believe that no more than I think Charles, JJ, Tylee and Tammy became Zombies.

Prove me wrong Chandler PD. Please!

JMO

 

[indicolite22]

Being LDS my whole life, this would be sending red flags up all over the place. At the very least, MG should have advised her friend to meet with the Bishop (Clergy), if not went and discussed it with him herself. Affairs are grounds for excommunication. For MG to treat this so flippantly is mind-blowing in itself.

Lori considered herself a translated being which must have outranked a Bishop, so she would not have been taking advice from him. The group was led to believe that they were better than regular Mormons.

Personally I think LVD and CD deserve to both get exactly what they deserve. If they killed those kids, I vote for the death penalty. Actions have consequences.

I agree, although I think there's very little chance that the kids will ever be found. I hope those two are at least held accountable for murdering their spouses.

 

[divineappt]

Interesting that the interview cuts off at 29:00 mins in, and text is posted on the screen before the interview resumes.

MG was saying that Lori talked to her in a phone call about going on a trip to California with Chad's kids. She's not sure if it was in the first call or when she was driving to AZ. Then she says the police called within half an hour to an hour after Lori's call.

Then the writing pops up on screen: -

Screen 1 - "Melanie says she spoke with police that day and the focus of their investigation turned back to Lori in Rexburg."

Screen 2 - "Lori told Melanie that JJ was in danger, Kay and others were trying to kidnap him and, for Melanie's safety, Lori could not say where he was."

The interview resumes and MG talks about talking to her really good friend about her doubts. I think there might be some material cut out in the next sentence too.

It makes me think they have taken legal advice.

MOO

Or something she said would give away something in Part 3.

 

[Grixote]

I don’t think she said it directly, but I got the impression that MG thinks the kids are dead.

 

[SwiftTiff]

Oh my, just look at Nate's face expression when he hears and repeats that "Chad is sitting in the portal and receives info..."
I give him all my respect, he is so good!

ETA: I am 12 minutes through... even that we know a lot of this information, hearing it from MG is beyond bizarre, I just need to stop and process

ETA2: So LV and AC were definitely insane and believed that everyone around them is a zombie and wants to kill them. And at minimum CV was killed because of that.
This is beyond creepy.

no I don’t believe chad believed that at all he used that as a way to get attention, to manipulate people. I believe Lori also didn’t really believe it she had doubts but it suited her wants and needs so used the cult beliefs as way to say it was okay and fine in the name of religion lol

 

[Love Never Fails]

Yea, the bizarre thing is how she seemed to almost condone their relationship?

What surprises me, is that even though divorce is more common in the LDS community, it is not looked on favorably. However, here is Lori talking about full blown adultery, and MG doesn't even seem to be that concerned?

Being LDS my whole life, this would be sending red flags up all over the place. At the very least, MG should have advised her friend to meet with the Bishop (Clergy), if not went and discussed it with him herself. Affairs are grounds for excommunication. For MG to treat this so flippantly is mind-blowing in itself.

She said she briefly met Charles, and he seemed like a nice guy. Yet during the end of this interview, poor Charles is completely ignored, I guess she doesn't even consider that he was murdered. Where's the sympathy for him? JMO

Personally I think LVD and CD deserve to both get exactly what they deserve. If they killed those kids, I vote for the death penalty. Actions have consequences.

I can empathize that they are human, just like the rest of us, but we are all responsible for our choices. It just made me sad that MG seemed to care more about LVD and CD than she did about CV.

MOO

In part one of MG’s interview I saw her the same way you do.

In part two however, I think she was still under the influence of believing in her friends. In ignoring who they really were, it made her culpable also for the deaths of others.

She feels that but can’t accept it right now. She talks about people dying but not that they were murdered. I think she is believable and that’s scary. I would have told my friend she needed psychiatric help if she told me her husband was a zombie. I would have called her out for adultery. But that’s me.

I don’t see MG as being strong in her own religious beliefs. And I believe she was very afraid from the beginning she would be considered a zombie and also die if she spoke up. When she can face that truth, it’s going to shatter her.

I’m interested now in what Ian Pawlowski is going to do. Will he choose his children or will he choose Melani? He can’t ride the fence after hearing this interview.

 

[AmandaSkis]

I don’t think he can talk his way out of openly flaunting their relationship right under Tammy’s nose. We didn’t know, or at least I didn’t, they openly acted as a couple complete with PDA’s in Rexburg! That can’t sit well with the kids. That’s their mother he was mocking and until today they might not have known it.

If Chad has his kids believing in all the cult stuff, then who knows. Maybe the kids think it’s okay for Chad and Lori to cavort while Tammy was still alive.

Since Chad and Lori were married before in other lives and since Tammy has likely appeared from behind the veil to tell Chad his behavior is fine.

All of that should sound perfectly reasonable to their grown children.

Right.

 

[Diddian]

I don’t think she said it directly, but I got the impression that MG thinks the kids are dead.

That was the hardest thing about watching this latest interview segment. There really is little room for hope the kids will be found alive. It seems the best hope is for their remains to be located and returned to loved ones.

My head and heart ache to write or even think that.

 

[SwiftTiff]

My Notes:

6:20 - Confimation that Chad is the one who told Lori that Charles was Ned Schneider. And apparently this "unclean spirit" had been friends with Charles but had since passed away and had taken over Charles' body.

15:10 - Lori told Melanie that Charles was coming from Texas to kill Lori. (MOO- Lori sounds like she had a lot of paranoid thoughts)

17:00 - Lori believed Kay was a zombie as well.

18:10 - Alex told Melanie that he "100% believed" the concept of zombies.

ALSO if Alex really did say and was surprised by “wow they really threw you under the bus” Alex knowing full well that MG had done nothing questionable or sinister he must have been totally freaking out realizing he in fact had done those things

 

[Love Never Fails]

Hmm, that's a good thought - - I hadn't thought about a monthly stipend in place all along due to adoption and the circumstances ; I'm not sure if that would be income dependent. I don't have any experience with adoption at all. Moo.

Just think how Lori was able to claim JJ was still alive so she could keep receiving that 6k per month. She is her own special kind of evil, apart from anything Chad taught her.

 

[Love Never Fails]

ALSO if Alex really did say and was surprised by “wow they really threw you under the bus” Alex knowing full well that MG had done nothing questionable or sinister he must have been totally freaking out realizing he in fact had done those things

Makes you wonder how much life insurance Alex had on himself. And how much Zulema received. And how much she gave to Chad.

 

[Teche]

Ummm, when they both have burner phones.. *lightbulb for dense folks* = affair MOO

Gibbs didn’t know what’s a burner phone. Maybe caves have no internet reception.

SS - Sister Summer

I stared at those initials for a minute before I got revelation who they are lol.

Jmo

Thanks...way too many initials. We need a cheat sheet or more clues.

 

[Love Never Fails]

Lori would get survivors benefits from Charles b/c she's caring for a minor child with disabilities?

Lori would also receive a stipend because she adopted a special needs child. I’m sure of it.

 

[scapa]

Lori had Tylee's bank card in Hawaii. So she was using them all along. Jmo

Yep. I guess zombies, with funds, have their uses.

Though for LVD and CD, of course, even this shameless exploitation of those they professed to fear could be justified though this bizarre cod-theology. Everything could. Only they were righteous and anyone who opposed them, knowingly or not, were enemies. So, inane theology but creative criminality.