Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #34

[Dontknow?]

If the mental hold on LVD was a 72 hour hold or just CV saying she needed one because she was a danger to herself or him, I've seen patients sign themselves out within hours. Doesn't mean they are stable. In AZ at least, if they say they want out they can get out, over 18. Not sure what type of hold was on her though. jmo

 

[Spartygirl]

Maybe they did and we're just not privy to it. MOO.

But both Melanie's and even LVD mom and sister said they did NOT ask about the children.
I mean... WTH????
MP moves to Rexburg and doesn't ask where the kids are, just assumes JJ at school or special events and Tylee off with friends GAG
MOM and SIS-- well, we cant ask her , they record stuff in the jail. **BARF** Why didn't you ask before she was arrested Sheesh

MG is only one that cared enough to ask and then was lied to by LVD saying TR is at college and JJ off to grandma's

 

[Gigi3]

If I was Ian I would run full speed, not walk away from her. I would give media interviews, I would talk to FBI, I would talk to the DA, I would try to get my ex and kids into hiding just as BB has done. I get the feeling he isn’t too bright. That’s the nicest thing I can say about him.
And MP? She knows EVERYTHING. Speaking of zombies, she talks like one. She needs more help than Ian can give her.

Totally agree! LOL

I’m straddling the fence with Ian. I don’t know if he is a naive fool or has been sucked in to their beliefs. Time will tell, I suppose.

 

[Nurse Gen]

Justin Lum Fox 10 Phoenix

Justin Lum breaking. Subpoena by MelanI P's lawyer quashed and respons mentions multiple criminal investigations AND Justin hints at some involvement with Gilbert PD and Charles' homicide

 

[Love Never Fails]

Totally agree! LOL

I’m straddling the fence with Ian. I don’t know if he is a naive fool or has been sucked in to their beliefs. Time will tell, I suppose.

Either way, he can’t be the brightest bulb in the pack. His wife divorced him months earlier. You just don’t go from one committed relationship to another. He seems needy.

 

[CSIDreamer]

Justin Lum Fox 10 Phoenix

GILBERT TOWN ATTORNEY: “It has been learned that the family members of Melani Pawlowski and ex-family members of Brandon Boudreaux are connected to multiple ongoing criminal investigations; to include the shooting at Boudreaux.” Bill Amato filed this motion to quash on May 19, denying the defendant’s subpoena of GPD detective Ryan Pillar. He is leading the investigation on the attempt of Brandon Boudreaux’s life (10/2/19). According to Pawlowski’s lawyer Garrett Smith, he tells Fox 10 he filed the subpoena after seeing Boudreaux’s attorney listing Pillar as a witness to testify. This motion details why Pillar can’t release any information. It mentions homicide, two attempted homicides, three suspicious deaths and two missing kids.

 

[Love Never Fails]

Justin Lum Fox 10 Phoenix

Justin Lum breaking. Subpoena by MelanI P's lawyer quashed and respons mentions multiple criminal investigations AND Justin hints at some involvement with Gilbert PD and Charles' homicide

I’m still of the opinion that both Melanie and Alex were involved in the shooting of BB and that she was totally in line with Charles being a zombie and knew Alex killed him. I don’t believe one of these deaths were by accident. It’s possible that even Alex was given something that was untraceable to make sure he died.

 

[Leader6518]

Oh my, just look at Nate's face expression when he hears and repeats that "Chad is sitting in the portal and receives info..."
I give him all my respect, he is so good!

ETA: I am 12 minutes through... even that we know a lot of this information, hearing it from MG is beyond bizarre, I just need to stop and process

ETA2: So LV and AC were definitely insane and believed that everyone around them is a zombie and wants to kill them. And at minimum CV was killed because of that.
This is beyond creepy.

If you look at all the people CD labeled as dark or zombies, it was all the people he wanted to get rid of, in order to have Lori. I don't think he labeled his own children dark or zombies. LV's children were a problem for him. He didn't want them around. Of course, their spouses were in the way and MBPs husband with his life insurance. Anyone who got in the way of what he wanted. Unfortunately, LV was drawn in by being considered special. I believe that is how so many cults get followers. Everyone wants to be special/chosen. Especially people who may not be considered the the "popular kids" of the world.

I don't think LV had a great life prior to being "chosen" by Chad, but I do believe she had a character flaw that allowed her to take it to a criminal level in order to get what she needed.
AMOO.

 

[Love Never Fails]

But both Melanie's and even LVD mom and sister said they did NOT ask about the children.
I mean... WTH????
MP moves to Rexburg and doesn't ask where the kids are, just assumes JJ at school or special events and Tylee off with friends GAG
MOM and SIS-- well, we cant ask her , they record stuff in the jail. **BARF** Why didn't you ask before she was arrested Sheesh

MG is only one that cared enough to ask and then was lied to by LVD saying TR is at college and JJ off to grandma's

And even MG didn’t pursue the questioning. After advice from a friend, she did go to the police.

 

[Spartygirl]

It’s possible something maybe going down. We just were out and running errands and the fbi centers still parked although there weren’t any police vehicles there. So it’s anyone’s guess on what’s happening. All jmo

@SleuthD-o-doubleg -- Just want to say I appreciate you being here with us and sharing your local and religious views regarding the 2 missing children.

 

[Love Never Fails]

If you look at all the people CD labeled as dark or zombies, it was all the people he wanted to get rid of, in order to have Lori. I don't think he labeled his own children dark or zombies. LV's children were a problem for him. He didn't want them around. Of course, their spouses were in the way and MBPs husband with his life insurance. Anyone who got in the way of what he wanted. Unfortunately, LV was drawn in by being considered special. I believe that is how so many cults get followers. Everyone wants to be special/chosen. Especially people who may not be considered the the "popular kids" of the world.

I don't think LV had a great life prior to being "chosen" by Chad, but I do believe she had a character flaw that allowed her to take it to a criminal level in order to get what she needed.
AMOO.

You are being way too kind. Lori knew what she was doing.

 

[Leader6518]

So why would Lori have a 3 million dollar insurance policy but Charles only 1 million? Is that common for someone who stays home and doesn’t work?

My husband has an insurance policy on me but his insurance policy is worth a whole lot more. All jmo

My guess would be Chad talked her into getting that kind of policy. MOO

 

[ReadySet]

I agree. She's not all the way there yet. She's still holding onto some of her prior beliefs, because she just can't fully face herself and what she was part of.

In part one of MG’s interview I saw her the same way you do.

In part two however, I think she was still under the influence of believing in her friends. In ignoring who they really were, it made her culpable also for the deaths of others.

She feels that but can’t accept it right now. She talks about people dying but not that they were murdered. I think she is believable and that’s scary. I would have told my friend she needed psychiatric help if she told me her husband was a zombie. I would have called her out for adultery. But that’s me.

I don’t see MG as being strong in her own religious beliefs. And I believe she was very afraid from the beginning she would be considered a zombie and also die if she spoke up. When she can face that truth, it’s going to shatter her.

I’m interested now in what Ian Pawlowski is going to do. Will he choose his children or will he choose Melani? He can’t ride the fence after hearing this interview.

 

[SleuthD-o-doubleg]

@SleuthD-o-doubleg -- Just want to say I appreciate you being here with us and sharing your local and religious views regarding the 2 missing children.

You’re welcome! I enjoy chatting amongst you all. Lots to learn and lots of great questions.

 

[CSIDreamer]

If you look at all the people CD labeled as dark or zombies, it was all the people he wanted to get rid of, in order to have Lori. I don't think he labeled his own children dark or zombies. LV's children were a problem for him. He didn't want them around. Of course, their spouses were in the way and MBPs husband with his life insurance. Anyone who got in the way of what he wanted. Unfortunately, LV was drawn in by being considered special. I believe that is how so many cults get followers. Everyone wants to be special/chosen. Especially people who may not be considered the the "popular kids" of the world.

I don't think LV had a great life prior to being "chosen" by Chad, but I do believe she had a character flaw that allowed her to take it to a criminal level in order to get what she needed.
AMOO.

And she sure doesn't have a great life now. Jmo

Just my feeling she could have made a decision to have a great life at least with CV. But we know the most about him.

Not disagreeing with you, I just feel like she walked into this blindly . . . with her eyes wide open.

Jmo

 

[Picklepuck]

Justin Lum Fox 10 Phoenix

GILBERT TOWN ATTORNEY: “It has been learned that the family members of Melani Pawlowski and ex-family members of Brandon Boudreaux are connected to multiple ongoing criminal investigations; to include the shooting at Boudreaux.” Bill Amato filed this motion to quash on May 19, denying the defendant’s subpoena of GPD detective Ryan Pillar. He is leading the investigation on the attempt of Brandon Boudreaux’s life (10/2/19). According to Pawlowski’s lawyer Garrett Smith, he tells Fox 10 he filed the subpoena after seeing Boudreaux’s attorney listing Pillar as a witness to testify. This motion details why Pillar can’t release any information. It mentions homicide, two attempted homicides, three suspicious deaths and two missing kids.

3 suspicious deaths...obviously Alex and Joe Ryan are 2 of them...who is the 3rd? Is it that bankruptcy lawyer that Lori had that died unexpectedly a couple of years ago? Or am I forgetting about some other suspicious death that occurred? Maybe Stacey?

 

[SleuthD-o-doubleg]

My guess would be Chad talked her into getting that kind of policy. MOO

Would be interesting to hear more about her policy. Jmo

 

[Spartygirl]

I wish that Nate had gotten dates for the Thursday-Monday that MG was visiting Rexburg, and the date that she supposedly took JJ to airport. Would like to see how all the timings fit in with the Storage Unit and Tammy's death etc.

He did get the dates from MG in the 2nd interview and also states that AxC moved to Rexburg right after LVD did

 

[Spartygirl]

If I was Ian I would run full speed, not walk away from her. I would give media interviews, I would talk to FBI, I would talk to the DA, I would try to get my ex and kids into hiding just as BB has done. I get the feeling he isn’t too bright. That’s the nicest thing I can say about him.
And MP? She knows EVERYTHING. Speaking of zombies, she talks like one. She needs more help than Ian can give her.

AGREE 1000%

 

[CSIDreamer]

3 suspicious deaths...obviously Alex and Joe Ryan are 2 of them...who is the 3rd? Is it that bankruptcy lawyer that Lori had that died unexpectedly a couple of years ago? Or am I forgetting about some other suspicious death that occurred? Maybe Stacey?

CV, Tammy