Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #35

[SleuthD-o-doubleg]

When I first watched it, I assumed she meant "we all" to be her, Zulema, and Alex. I have to think she would know better to say than GB did not know "any of the background" since it has been widely reported it was him that was told of Lori's delusions and about all the threats towards CV and about people being called zombies. I am sure he was totally aware of the whole situation by the time the kids were missing (my opinion). Plus even if they had all lived in Gilbert at one time CV and Lori in early 2019, MG and Zulema currently), there must be 100 or so wards in Gilbert, each with their own Bishop.
Having said that, there are two things that made me go hmm and wonder if you could be onto something:
1) If Melanie wasn't in the same ward, how did Lori meet her in the hallway after MG spoke (I reconciled this earlier due to the convoluted relationships/connections many of the pod people have).
2) She said in the interview with Nate at about 6:00 (part 3) she was grateful it was him--what did that mean? See paranthetical remarks of point 1.
Moo.

Sometimes ward meeting times overlap so there may have been two wards using the building at the same time. Also stakes are made up of more than one ward so it could have been a stake conference (meaning multiple wards meet up together for church). All jmo

 

[SleuthD-o-doubleg]

Edited to add:
The show has a bunker in Lebanon, KS which is the geographic center of the United States. What was the link to Kansas irl, was it JR?

Would Tylee and JJ really have been able to be snuck off to Kansas? Where it’s definitely a possibility imo someone would have noticed through their travel unless it was some secret trafficking done. But history proves, a lot of these people aren’t as sneaky as they think they are. We are seeing more and more proof come out that these people did not cover their tracks well. It makes me wonder what more evidence the fbi and police have that is more solid.

 

[GoneGoldfishin']

Sometimes ward meeting times overlap so there may have been two wards using the building at the same time. Also stakes are made up of more than one ward so it could have been a stake conference (meaning multiple wards meet up together for church). All jmo

I don't think it was an officially sanctioned talk. Perhaps a "fireside" like they have gotten away with claiming before. I got the impression MG was invited to speak by someone (again, read that in the context of point one parentheses). Moo.
Edit to clarify: Melanie said she was teaching a class at church one evening. It was certainly not a church sanctioned talk, because Lori was "really excited" about what MG was saying (so outside of church standard doctrine) . How would someone teaching a non RS or other normal weekly activity have access to the building? Someone had to give them permission, and it wasn't the janitor. But of course, this was no coincidental meeting in the hallway, it was calculated by Lori to get closer to Chad through Melanie. MG really is gullible. Moo.

 

[OGDiva]

Has it been established yet that Lori's mother was most likely lying about speaking to JJ on the phone when she called Lori on October 1st? It is stated in the charging documents that one of the neighbor's children went to Lori's appartment in late September to play with JJ. Lori told the kid that JJ wasn't there and that he was staying with his grandma.

I believe it has been stated that Lori's mother has been diagnosed with dementia. Is it possible that she coached into say October 1st and it would have been any time before that?

 

[SleuthD-o-doubleg]

I don't think it was an officially sanctioned talk. Perhaps a "fireside" like they have gotten away with claiming before. I got the impression MG was invited to speak by someone (again, read that in the context of point one parentheses). Moo.
Edit to clarify: Melanie said she was teaching a class at church one evening. It was certainly not a church sanctioned talk, because Lori was "really excited" about what MG was saying (so outside of church standard doctrine) . How would someone teaching a non RS or other normal weekly activity have access to the building? Someone had to give them permission, and it wasn't the janitor. But of course, this was no coincidental meeting in the hallway, it was calculated by Lori to get closer to Chad through Melanie. MG really is gullible. Moo.

I must have missed that part about being in the evening. Thank you for correcting me. I know you can schedule the church buildings here for play groups, parties, and stuff like that. I think the last time we scheduled it for a bridal shower for my friend they wanted to make sure I cleaned up when I was done and return the key. Each building may have their own guidelines to schedule the building though. All jmo

 

[SleuthD-o-doubleg]

I believe it has been stated that Lori's mother has been diagnosed with dementia. Is it possible that she coached into say October 1st and it would have been any time before that?

Do you have a source for her mom have dementia?

 

[longtimereader]

Would Tylee and JJ really have been able to be snuck off to Kansas? Where it’s definitely a possibility imo someone would have noticed through their travel unless it was some secret trafficking done. But history proves, a lot of these people aren’t as sneaky as they think they are. We are seeing more and more proof come out that these people did not cover their tracks well. It makes me wonder what more evidence the fbi and police have that is more solid.

 

[longtimereader]

Yes, I have no idea. I was just brainstorming on a location. They do very brazen moves. They did have multiple phones to cover their affair but other than that they moved about like norm.

 

[GoneGoldfishin']

I must have missed that part about being in the evening. Thank you for correcting me. I know you can schedule the church buildings here for play groups, parties, and stuff like that. I think the last time we scheduled it for a bridal shower for my friend they wanted to make sure I cleaned up when I was done and return the key. Each building may have their own guidelines to schedule the building though. All jmo

Yes, that is my point. They have to be scheduled/approved by the Bishop or RS President. Who in Gilbert, who has that authority, would give the okay to a PaP meeting?

 

[SleuthD-o-doubleg]

I don't think it was an officially sanctioned talk. Perhaps a "fireside" like they have gotten away with claiming before. I got the impression MG was invited to speak by someone (again, read that in the context of point one parentheses). Moo.
Edit to clarify: Melanie said she was teaching a class at church one evening. It was certainly not a church sanctioned talk, because Lori was "really excited" about what MG was saying (so outside of church standard doctrine) . How would someone teaching a non RS or other normal weekly activity have access to the building? Someone had to give them permission, and it wasn't the janitor. But of course, this was no coincidental meeting in the hallway, it was calculated by Lori to get closer to Chad through Melanie. MG really is gullible. Moo.

Also, something else I’m curious about: if it was a calculated move on Lori’s part, then she had plans to move in on him prior to this all happening. If that is the case, then how long was Lori planning this? And when did Lori first get the idea to persue Chad? And is Lori really behind everything despite what MG mentioned in her interviews? All jmo

 

[SleuthD-o-doubleg]

Yes, that is my point. They have to be scheduled/approved by the Bishop or RS President. Who in Gilbert, who has that authority, would give the okay to a PaP meeting?

I personally can’t speak for how things work in Gilbert. But here in my ward, you contact the building scheduler or the ward secretary. Jmo

 

[renarde]

Tylee was probably depressed in Hawaii, since we have heard she just slept all the time. She probably didn't want to go to school, and as mentioned by others, Tylee was really just Lori's extra babysitter that set her free to her daily whims. I strongly feel the GED is just a myth.

Just like pulling JJ out of school to "homeschool" him... I wonder what really led to that decision.

 

[FindingJoLee]

Yes I know that Pathway is administered by BYUI, that is the link I included

Ok, in that case, I'm totally confused about what we were supposed to gather from the link to Pathway? Because Tylee couldn't have been in the Pathway program if she was, as her mother (falsely) claimed, attending BYUI.

 

[renarde]

Nate Eaton, talking about MG interviews and the Daybell case:

97.1 ZHT

 

[indicolite22]

Just like pulling JJ out of school to "homeschool" him... I wonder what really led to that decision.

He was pulled out of school because he couldn't have just disappeared without explanation. MG said that JJ was in the way of Lori and Chad's mission. MG was led to believe that he was sent to Kay.

 

[indicolite22]

Nate Eaton, talking about MG interviews and the Daybell case:

97.1 ZHT

Nate said that Lori called MG about a week after her visit and told her that she handed over JJ to Kay at the airport. He also said that there were about 7 people in Chad's group/cult - mostly Lori's family plus MG. In Nate's opinion only half of information on the case has been made public so far. Apparently Chad talks to Lori for hours every day. Nate used to think that she was wearing the pants in the relationship, but MG's interview changed that.

 

[renarde]

"... We know that Chad calls her, for hours, every day, in the jail..."

About ten minutes in:

97.1 ZHT

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Nate Eaton, talking about MG interviews and the Daybell case:

97.1 ZHT

well...that was fun. felt as if i was sittin there with them

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Nate said that Lori called MG about a week after her visit and told her that she handed over JJ to Kay at the airport. He also said that there were about 7 people in Chad's group/cult - mostly Lori's family plus MG. In Nate's opinion only half of information on the case has been made public so far. Apparently Chad talks to Lori for hours every day. Nate used to think that she was wearing the pants in the relationship, but MG's interview changed that.

I still feel that certain people "were off limits" for Nate to talk about...even though he said "Melanie said nothing was off limits"

 

[JujuColumbo]

"... We know that Chad calls her, for hours, every day, in the jail..."

About ten minutes in:

97.1 ZHT

Well of course, he has to keep up the brainwashing...