Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #36

[squareandrabbet]

Intresting statement. Is it just me or does it annoy anyone else?

Loved them so much that you never reported them missing. Or locked LV in a room until she told you where they were. Or applied for custody.
They spent no time or provided any help in locating these poor children. Refused to work with LE. You should be anxious MBP your potentially next for charges.
Faith and prayers. I don't think anyone needs your type of faith or prayers with the otherside of the veil MBP.

Actually feel disgusted and dirty reading such a LOS. Yes I am sure they are upset. And they miss the children but that statement was ill written and mis judged IMP

Their statement basically says they don’t think Lori had anything to do with it, without actually saying that. Notice how Chads brothers statement acknowledges that they know Chad played a role in the kids death. The Cox’s statement does nothing of the sort. They are in deep denial. I do feel bad for them in a way. Or at least for Janis, Barry, and Summer because I do not think they knew what was going on. MBP and IP, not so much. It’s a big family of enablers unfortunately. MOO

I'm with @Hippoinatutu and DON'T feel bad for them.

Not in the least.

IMO, if you have the guts to go on national TV and muddy the waters smugly assuring people that you know your loved one could never do anything wrong; it's a case of "put up or shut up". They could have kept quiet and not done so.

I don't think there was a process because CV could not set up such a process by himself. A father cannot will away the rights of the mother regarding the children they share; LV was JJ's adopted mother and had the same parental rights as CV did as JJ's adopted father. Despite CV's best efforts to appeal to those in positions of authority for help (both police and mental health authorities), CV could not demonstrate the very high risk LV posed to the children's safety and well-being. And LV fooled them when she went in for her mental evaluation.

So, I think CV just hoped that, once LV learned there was no $1 million payout to be gained from his own death, LV would abandon JJ just as she had when she left CV and JJ for 58 days. He didn't count on LV's spite toward KW and LV's determination to limit her losses by keeping her hands on the monthly caretaking income for JJ.

I wonder if this opens up any of these negligent police departments who underplayed their responsibilities because they were dazzled by Lori's petite good looks, to a nice fat lawsuit? I hope it does.

Well, either they don't want to deal with the press or their world just finally shattered. Jmo

I think we need to be careful of lumping five very different people together, my understanding is that there are differing levels of belief surrounding Chad's guilt among the five.

Interesting. I feel the same way about this as I do about the Cox family, sorry to say. If your family member defense is quiet, that's one thing. Running around sticking out her tongue and making kindergarten faces at the camera as did one of the daughters, is not "quiet"; and IMO, deserves to be shamed.

Again IMO, JMO, MOO.

 

[Knox]

No, I don't think he's been brainwashed. In fact, I think he's the leader in this whole plan. I meant deceived as in deceived by evil in general, that he could even get to the point of murdering children. I think he was always arrogant and prideful and a jerk, but also let all of that lead him into a very dark and evil place. MOO

It's tough for me to decipher who was the leader. I've seen LV on video a couple of times- At the house when Charles was killed and the interview at the police station. So I have a sense of her demeanor and how she acts under pressure. She's not a demure, wilting flower by any means. She strikes me as flighty and impulsive, her cognitive processes are abnormal. One of those people who are exhausting to be around, never stop talking or moving.

I haven't listened to any of the old podcasts of CD, I've only seen him remain silent wherever he goes. He seems emotionless, very controlled. Despite all the things we've heard and read, I still don't have a sense of whether he believes all the crap he spouts, or if it's simply a way to control others. What motivated Chad? Money, power, sex? Maybe all three?

My biggest question is still; did CD & LV really believe they were Chosen by God and the end of the world was just around the corner? Or were they simply greedy con artists, who had no problem destroying anything that got in the way of being together?

 

[Love Never Fails]

I think we need to be careful of lumping five very different people together, my understanding is that there are differing levels of belief surrounding Chad's guilt among the five.

I would feel desperate to believe my dad. After all, if they didn’t believe him, they had to accept their mom could have been murdered. Horrible what he has done to so many!

 

[KonaHonu]

Unless the act of murder caused the break

Oh man, I don't want those thoughts! It's bad enough the kids were killed. Please dont let it involve violence.

 

[carbuff]

Oh man, I don't want those thoughts! It's bad enough the kids were killed. Please dont let it involve violence.

I so hope not. But I'm so afraid...

 

[KonaHonu]

I went back to look at Gardner's timeline and I forgot about this...

24 Oct 2019 – Chad moves out of the Salem, ID house he shared with Tammy and two of his adult kids. He told his kids he wanted to sell the house and the book publishing business he and Tammy had built since 2004, but they convinced him not to. He later says he has plans to go to Hawaii to edit a book. (WS Verified Insider posts).

Chad wanted to sell the house. I wonder if he wanted to sell it because he knew the kids were buried on it... JMO

But that would defeat the reason for burying them there - control.

 

[LaborDayRN]

As a realtor, I can say that has not been my experience. Mover rates are higher during high demand times. Closings occur all during the week and move out dates in contracts do not necessarily coincide with weekends or month end. Many people work more on weekends than during the week.
I would say it is probably done more often on weekends but not to the degree that this move should be suspicious based on the date or day of the week.
I can't imagine learning that my father was involved in something like this. Sad

Reading about the move made me wonder. Since they (some of his children) lived on the property with their father and given that the property is only 3 acres, I can't imagine no one noticed two large holes being dug on the property. I wonder if anyone asked CD what was going on with the holes being dug. After realizing the children were considered missing, didn't any one of them think to notify LE of the holes that were dug? I guess maybe one of them did notify LE..... ??

 

[MoM3tzger]

Ooh. Do the Commandments. ... not being a smart alec ... I have a theory about the adultery commandment leading to breaking all the others, that's all.

Although within Christian teachings, they are deadly sins—not to be confused with the Ten Commandments.

And unlike the ten commandments, there are only seven.

And unlike the commandments, they do not appear in the Bible.

They are defined as: the abuses or excessive versions of one's natural faculties or passions.

The are the opposite of the seven virtues— humanity, purity, charity, diligence, patience, kindness and humility.

The are more universal and that which many, Christian, or otherwise, use as a moral compass.

 

[Love Never Fails]

I think they're all going to blame Lori a lot in this, but I think a couple are more open to Chad having a bigger role than the others believe, MOO.

I think it was both. No matter how much you love someone, when they mention killing someone you run as fast and as far as you can in the other direction (after calling LE). This came up with Krystal Lee in the Kelsey Berreth case. Sadly, I think people can only be deceived when they want to be for their own personal gain.

 

[Michael0808]

First time poster here, but I joined to read up on this case. I’ve been through a lot of threads on this, and watched the Dateline show and other media. I think I’m somewhat caught up on this web of insanity.

I had to google Idaho death penalty to see if they had it. Glad to see that they do. 2 children buried in a back yard and a smug smiling mother deserve it. I just hope they don’t plead their way out of this and keep the truth of what happened to those kids from being revealed. I think it’s going to be horrific, but the truth of their most likely monstrous deaths should be told.

I think I’m supposed to add JMO so I am.

 

[Love Never Fails]

No, I don't think he's been brainwashed. In fact, I think he's the leader in this whole plan. I meant deceived as in deceived by evil in general, that he could even get to the point of murdering children. I think he was always arrogant and prideful and a jerk, but also let all of that lead him into a very dark and evil place. MOO

I wonder, and have been afraid to say it here, if one of his children turned him in. Maybe he/she put it all together and had a tip?

 

[janx]

It's tough for me to decipher who was the leader. I've seen LV on video a couple of times- At the house when Charles was killed and the interview at the police station. So I have a sense of her demeanor and how she acts under pressure. She's not a demure, wilting flower by any means. She strikes me as flighty and impulsive, her cognitive processes are abnormal. One of those people who are exhausting to be around, never stop talking or moving.

I haven't listened to any of the old podcasts of CD, I've only seen him remain silent wherever he goes. He seems emotionless, very controlled. Despite all the things we've heard and read, I still don't have a sense of whether he believes all the crap he spouts, or if it's simply a way to control others. What motivated Chad? Money, power, sex? Maybe all three?

My biggest question is still; did CD & LV really believe they were Chosen by God and the end of the world was just around the corner? Or were they simply greedy con artists, who had no problem destroying anything that got in the way of being together?

As to your last paragraph--both, probably. It is sick.

 

[LaborDayRN]

First time poster here, but I joined to read up on this case. I’ve been through a lot of threads on this, and watched the Dateline show and other media. I think I’m somewhat caught up on this web of insanity.

I had to google Idaho death penalty to see if they had it. Glad to see that they do. 2 children buried in a back yard and a smug smiling mother deserve it. I just hope they don’t plead their way out of this and keep the truth of what happened to those kids from being revealed. I think it’s going to be horrific, but the truth of their most likely monstrous deaths should be told.

I think I’m supposed to add JMO so I am.

Welcome to WS @Michael0808

 

[Love Never Fails]

Yes, it was planned for today. I cannot comment or speculate on the reason for the search other than to say it has been reported to be from the sealed warrant issued by the court.

There was a reason it was planned for today. Maybe they received a tip of their own that their dad was going to be arrested? Was the plan conceived just yesterday? Don’t mean to be insensitive. I feel for them. But surely they have had a reality check. Chad killed their mother.

 

[passionflower]

Thinking out loud wouldn’t the grave site be sunken ground? Our mastif passed away and we buried him in our farm. After a while his grave sunk and we filled in with more dirt. Wouldn’t it be obvious to the family living on the 3 acres to see this and put 2 & 2 together?

 

[Hrh_LadyJ]

It's tough for me to decipher who was the leader. I've seen LV on video a couple of times- At the house when Charles was killed and the interview at the police station. So I have a sense of her demeanor and how she acts under pressure. She's not a demure, wilting flower by any means. She strikes me as flighty and impulsive, her cognitive processes are abnormal. One of those people who are exhausting to be around, never stop talking or moving.

I haven't listened to any of the old podcasts of CD, I've only seen him remain silent wherever he goes. He seems emotionless, very controlled. Despite all the things we've heard and read, I still don't have a sense of whether he believes all the crap he spouts, or if it's simply a way to control others. What motivated Chad? Money, power, sex? Maybe all three?

My biggest question is still; did CD & LV really believe they were Chosen by God and the end of the world was just around the corner? Or were they simply greedy con artists, who had no problem destroying anything that got in the way of being together?

I think they were a toxic mix, and both culpable. She was far more alpha and he had that humbly following the voices in my head mentality (at least publicly).

I think Chad was a man who felt very powerless in life, and reveled in the attention/ control he had over his "faithful flock" A narcissist who got in over his head... While internally being a weak spineless man... I don't think he believed all the crap he toted at all, but I think he was good at using it to manipulate those who did. And loved the power/ attention it gave him.

Lori was also a narcissist, but a completely different type, she had more of an entitled vain, outlook. Whatever she perceived as a threat to what SHE wanted must go, and she justified it with the label of evil or Demon. Limited emotional responses, classic APD in my opinion.

I honestly don't think either truly believed the crap they were selling, but it was convenient, and they preyed on those who did. MG even stated that she didn't believe Lori 100% believed the Revelation, but really "wanted" too...

It boils down to what every criminal motivation seems to.... The very human concepts of Greed, lust and sociopathy.
JMO, MOO.

 

[Love Never Fails]

Emma is the one making faces at news cameras while they searched for evidence in her own mother's death. She's a grown woman making faces at news cameras. She should not be allowed around children. MOO IMO . . Timeline of Events Around the Disappearance of Tylee Ryan and JJ Vallow - Annielytics.com . .
Law enforcement searching Daybell's home - Local News 8

The videos aren’t there anymore. But I understand now who they are so thank you.

 

[Etrup23]

ALL the deadly sins?

In spite of, or because of, the religious nature... has anyone else contemplated:

Does this case reek of ALL of the seven deadly sins?

1. Pride
2. Greed
3. Gluttony
4. Sloth
5. Envy
6. Lust
7. Wrath

All of them?

Perhaps that’s the draw?

i don't think Lori could clearly define 4 of those sins. LOL CMON MoM3tzger.. have you heard her speak? CMON!!! lol

 

[Michael0808]

I’ve really studied the pictures posted here, although it didn’t make me feel good. Not sure how to quote yet but several people posted about the orange object.

To me, it fits the space exactly that is being observed in the photos. And to me, as sick as it makes me feel, it does look like remains. Sorry to use that word.

There is a fire pit nearby too and that is actually the first thing I noticed. Perhaps the pit was used, and that’s what the prosecutor was eluding to in the hearing today. I don’t like typing any of these words, but just acknowledging what may have happened. jmo

 

[des2021]

Reading about the move made me wonder. Since they (some of his children) lived on the property with their father and given that the property is only 3 acres, I can't imagine no one noticed two large holes being dug on the property. I wonder if anyone asked CD what was going on with the holes being dug. After realizing the children were considered missing, didn't any one of them think to notify LE of the holes that were dug? I guess maybe one of them did notify LE..... ??

I was thinking the same thing. Do we know if the kids went with Tammy when she went to visit her parents? Maybe he did it then. The other time I can think of is when they all went to Tammy’s funeral in Utah. Maybe Alex buried them there? Or over Thanksgiving weekend when Chad and his kids went to Los Angeles. Maybe Alex buried them there then? Soooomany questions! Lol MOO