Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, stepfather found* #12

[utahobserver]

I think like attracts like.

I think your instinct had led to IP as a possibility because of the marriages. They are too strangely coincidental. This seems like a plan that started to fall apart.

It was reported last night on Court Documents Raise New Questions About Daybell's Finances

Sources indicated that Charles had a $1 million life insurance policy. However, Lori was not the beneficiary

It was speculated in live reporting that Lori may not have known that she was not the beneficiary at the time of CV death.

I wonder if Brandon was/is insured.

 

[FindingJoLee]

^^That article is bringing to mind some questions. Especially this sentence: "Melani Boudreaux and Cox would remarry people in Rexburg...."

What was the purpose of Alex going to Rexburg? He lived in the Phoenix subs (he had a home there, whether he owned it or not, did he just abandon it?). His new wife was from Phoenix. They married in Las Vegas. He died in Phoenix (apparently at his new wife's home?).

What was Rexburg all about for him?

Also...the family tree in that article is just useless and confusing.

 

[BigAl16]

Yes, criminal minds think alike! Just let someone else dispose of what you want rid of. If police hadn't had the search warrant and been there I wonder how long items are kept. I also wonder how police became aware she had a unit, because Lori had gone when police searched the house. Perhaps it was a search on her bank account/credit card or she carelessly left paperwork behind. If she defaulted on her credit card it's possible she now has new accounts.

I'm just pondering now over random details with all the new info that's coming out. October puzzles me. The unit taken on the 1st and the bikes moved in on the 28th. That was a month before police came to the house, so was she always going in her plan? That makes for a plan before October 1st. Did she take JJ out of school so that police could not track her down by searching him under the disability funding? Because AZ school didn't know they were in ID and neither did Colby. Then we heard JJ told the neighbor before September 24th that he was going away to his grandmother's.

So much to process!

I think police might have been keeping an eye on her for whatever reason the last week or so that she was at the apartment in Rexburg. We know they talked to at least one neighbor about her before the first time we're aware of that the police visited when she told them JJ was at a friend's in AZ. There was at least one visit to the storage unit that day or a day or two before. I think they saw her or whoever went to it do so.

 

[FindingJoLee]

@RexburgSleuth are you able to give the time-frame in which you were interviewed? Sorry if you've already mentioned it!

 

[katikaboom]

Interesting...New details come to light about family members of missing Rexburg kids

Is this the first time we've seen Tammy's death officially labeled suspicious?

 

[montegrl]

In my very humble opinion I don't think the male seen with Lori at the storage unit on Oct 2nd was Alex. The footage is difficult to analyze, but that male seems to be much taller than Lori. It doesn't appear that he is wearing a baseball cap like the other, shorter male we see later. He also walks much slower than the second male, kind of lumbering where the second male walks faster. Comparing photos, Chad seems to be much taller than Lori but Alex is only slightly taller. This is all in my opinion only, would love some additional eyes on it. @RexburgSleuth, was Chad known to wear or not wear baseball caps?

Also, I don't think we are seeing everything in the storage unit. The storage unit that Lori rented was 10x10, the images put out by East Idaho News show a much smaller space. The bikes barely fit. MOO

 

[nopynono]

I saw that too, but I don't think we can guarantee what was in Lori's head, even considering some of the other things she has said. I think it's eminently possible she thought of Charles as Bailey's "owner", because he had in fact recently chronologically died, no?

Other than that, I agree it's (1) generally alarming that she got rid of Bailey at all; as well as (2), my being all but certain that it's the rescue group who paid for Bailey's training, and NOT Lori.

In fact, I bet (2) is the primary reason Bailey's trainer said Bailey had to go back to the group. A service dog is probably too valuable to run the risk that someone will buy him just for a pet. It's not like a horse trader selling a horse and saying the horse is trained to drive in harness, as an add-on to being trained to ride under saddle.

Its not uncommon for dog sales from trainers or breeders to include the stipulation that the pet cannot be resold in the contract. Good breeders put a lot of care into selecting the proper lines that will fit breed standards, nutrition even in the womb, and medical care. Trainers have even more invested. No breeder wants a dog they've worked so hard on to end up in a shelter or with someone who wont care for the animal properly. Im almost certain Bailey had such a stipulation in the contract when he was given to JJ.

 

[155etta]

Don't know what her classification was, but if it was the Madison Library District...? policies:

DBM - already answered

 

[CuriousQuiet1]

It was early September when she moved in and early October, just a week after the last sighting of the kids on 23rd Sept when she got the storage locker. If it was the neighbour, he would have surely asked about them moving the kids stuff into storage and mentioned it in his MSM interview IMO.

I don't think the neighbor would have thought it strange at all to put kids bikes into storage at the beginning of winter. If it was a bunch of kids things I agree, but the MSM commentary specifically says bikes on the day 2 men show up. MOO

 

[CuriousQuiet1]

...What was the purpose of Alex going to Rexburg? He lived in the Phoenix subs (he had a home there, whether he owned it or not, did he just abandon it?). His new wife was from Phoenix. They married in Las Vegas. He died in Phoenix (apparently at his new wife's home?).

What was Rexburg all about for him? ...

I'm with you, this is fundamental. Driving to Rexburg for a few days to help his sister is one thing, but moving away from girlfriend/fiancee, job, other friends, other family (we know at least 2 other family members nearby in Arizona), and renting a townhouse. It doesn't add up.

 

[Tortoise]

Funny, and truthful even if exaggerated, but... let's play investigative reporter/LE here for a minute. What are the pros and cons to Lori drafting such a long letter? Does it help or hurt the likelihood of JJ being alive?

I think it's concerning. She's hiding her tail before she's even begun. She's taken JJ out of a supportive environment and plonked him straight into a new school which doesn't appear to be a special-needs school from what I can see. I imagine the adjustment process would have been a big issue for him, new bed, new house, new town, no dad, no Bailey, no face-timing with Kay and Larry, or Colby, no familiar teachers or friends. And then she's taken him right back out again.

My guess is she put him there to keep him out of her way all day, while she was busy, with no intention of keeping him there or of the school getting his records and finding out about his education plan and his family history. I expect we will find out they were pressuring her for information and she was stalling and then didn't need them any more, they'd fulfilled her purpose. He knew he was going away already, so it wasn't the homeschooling lie she gave. And then she got the lock-up within a week.

I don't think it's a custody issue. She would have treated him better if she wanted him. Her January 2019 disappearing act shows how she felt about him, and getting rid of Bailey. Her gripes about JJ in her police interview also.

The picture is building.

MOO

 

[nopynono]

It's becoming more and more clear just how much Lori hated JJ (and for how long). That poor kid. Sold his dog, left his toys, took his laptop, didn't tell him his dad was dead. Tylee was Lori's biological daughter. Not so with JJ. I think Lori considered JJ to be CV's baggage. What a mom from hell. Maybe Tylee's in HI, but I don't think JJ is. Really tragic

I agree there seems to be a different level of attachment between Lori and Tylee that doesn't seem to be there with JJ. I dont think Lori would ever hurt Tylee, and I'm hoping Tylee would never let Lori hurt JJ, or at least wouldn't stay silent about it if she did.

 

[CuriousQuiet1]

Revisiting the video at the storage facility, at about 50 to 51 seconds in of the East Idaho News video they state something like the man with Lori is looking back and forth. The first few times I watched it I thought his looking back and forth was suspicious but I have changed my mind. It appears he is looking out the window then he jerks his head quickly toward the camera. Not a natural looking back and forth, just one real quick turn as if he heard something from the direction of the camera. My guess is there was some noise that caused him to turn toward the camera.

If you don't believe it isn't suspicious...another reason a man might be looking back and forth to be sure they are not seen is he might be a married man well known in the community and doesn't want anyone to know he is with LV.

MOO

 

[sunflowerchick]

I don't think it's a custody issue. She would have treated him better if she wanted him. Her January 2019 disappearing act shows how she felt about him, and getting rid of Bailey. Her gripes about JJ in her police interview also.
MOO

SBM

This. Exactly. This has never been about custody. This is about someone who couldn't be inconvenienced with children who were in the way of her plans.

 

[Colorado303]

I agree there seems to be a different level of attachment between Lori and Tylee that doesn't seem to be there with JJ. I dont think Lori would ever hurt Tylee, and I'm hoping Tylee would never let Lori hurt JJ, or at least wouldn't stay silent about it if she did.

I don’t doubt Lori would hurt Tylee if it meant saving her own skin. And to your point, if Lori hurt JJ and Tylee knew (or even suspected) Tylee would need to go too.

 

[josephinemarch]

I think it's concerning. She's hiding her tail before she's even begun. She's taken JJ out of a supportive environment and plonked him straight into a new school which doesn't appear to be a special-needs school from what I can see. I imagine the adjustment process would have been a big issue for him, new bed, new house, new town, no dad, no Bailey, no face-timing with Kay and Larry, or Colby, no familiar teachers or friends. And then she's taken him right back out again.

My guess is she put him there to keep him out of her way all day, while she was busy, with no intention of keeping him there or of the school getting his records and finding out about his education plan and his family history. I expect we will find out they were pressuring her for information and she was stalling and then didn't need them any more, they'd fulfilled her purpose. He knew he was going away already, so it wasn't the homeschooling lie she gave. And then she got the lock-up within a week.

I don't think it's a custody issue. She would have treated him better if she wanted him. Her January 2019 disappearing act shows how she felt about him, and getting rid of Bailey. Her gripes about JJ in her police interview also.

The picture is building.

MOO

This is what bothers me. From the allegations of CV that she didn’t want to be a mom anymore, she could have divorced him, and left JJ in the care of CV. She could have sent TR to live with CR! She could have still married CD, maybe he could have divorced his wife (rather than what we think happened). They could be in Hawaii, on their honeymoon, without kids, but here’s the huge plus in this scenario: no missing kids! No deceased ex husbands and brothers!! No self imposed house arrest! Imagine that. You could have had everything you want, without making anyone disappear!

She wasn’t the beneficiary to CV’s insurance, so money wasn’t a motive.. I just don’t see how orchestrating his death could help her, one bit. Guess she is completely deluded, antisocial, sociopathic, and truly believed her ex needed to die. ?!?
ETA MOO

 

[Twix20]

This is more so me thinking out loud, so bear with me
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Do you guys think Lori/Chad/Alex had a gym membership? (Since Lori seems to like exercise clothing/cares about her physique)

We know Chad has lost weight--Do you guys think they went to a gym or just worked out on the beach? lol (I'm sure they're following some magical diet as well)

There's a month to month gym, (BodiFi), literally right down the road from where her Rexburg apt was. Like most gyms, it offers babysitting services.

How did she keep JJ occupied during their brief stay in Rexburg? There's still a couple of weeks of warm weather in September. I'm sure JJ had fun playing with the neighbor's kids, but the weather is too nice not to go out and do stuff; as compared to hot Arizona summers.

There's Rexburg Rapids, Kidsburg, Porter Park with a splash pad/carousel, the library. Just thinking of other places there could be video surveillance. Rexburg locals: maybe Lori or Chad are Broulim's Plus members, ( a grocery store not too far from her Rexburg apt).

They've had live in nannies for JJ before, do you think she had someone there in Rexburg? Or do you think after Charles died she stopped caring about stuff like that for him. I know Tylee probably helped watch him too.

Sorry for the long post--If anything, I hope my ramblings sparked some "ah ha" ideas

 

[katikaboom]

This is what bothers me. From the allegations of CV that she didn’t want to be a mom anymore, she could have divorced him, and left JJ in the care of CV. She could have sent TR to live with CR! She could have still married CD, maybe he could have divorced his wife (rather than what we think happened). They could be in Hawaii, on their honeymoon, without kids, but here’s the huge plus in this scenario: no missing kids! No deceased ex husbands and brothers!! No self imposed house arrest! Imagine that. You could have had everything you want, without making anyone disappear!

She wasn’t the beneficiary to CV’s insurance, so money wasn’t a motive.. I just don’t see how orchestrating his death could help her, one bit. Guess she is completely deluded, antisocial, sociopathic, and truly believed her ex needed to die. ?!?
ETA MOO

She didn't know she wasn't the beneficiary until after CV's death, IIRC

 

[CSIDreamer]

This is what bothers me. From the allegations of CV that she didn’t want to be a mom anymore, she could have divorced him, and left JJ in the care of CV. She could have sent TR to live with CR! She could have still married CD, maybe he could have divorced his wife (rather than what we think happened). They could be in Hawaii, on their honeymoon, without kids, but here’s the huge plus in this scenario: no missing kids! No deceased ex husbands and brothers!! No self imposed house arrest! Imagine that. You could have had everything you want, without making anyone disappear!

She wasn’t the beneficiary to CV’s insurance, so money wasn’t a motive.. I just don’t see how orchestrating his death could help her, one bit. Guess she is completely deluded, antisocial, sociopathic, and truly believed her ex needed to die. ?!?
ETA MOO

Did she know she wasn't the beneficiary? That might have been a nasty surprise. Jmo

 

[nopynono]

Yes, it's a confirmation. I also remember reading that Brandon did not see Alex personally, just the surveillance footage. If he did see him it could be more reliable that video evidence. On the other hand, if it wasn't Alex in the storage video, was it also someone else in other parts of the surveillance footage at the storage? That would mean that Lori had another right hand man.

The recent article's wording leaves a lot to be desired, clarity-wise. "“The person [Brandon] recognized, the person he suspected was the person who did the shooting was the same person who killed Charles Vallow,” Robertson said." But further down we get "he suspected Charles Vallows' killer, Alex Cox, was the one driving that jeep.” So which is it, did he recognize or suspect? One is you saw, the other is you guessed. Still trying to put the timelines together in a way that makes sense. Either Brandon was wrong, or maybe the time on the storage cams was? Or, he did some really amazing time management where he shot at Brandon, sped to the airport, dashed through security to barely make a flight to Idaho Falls, and then drove really fast to Rexburg to immediately start going through the storage unit. Is there a place you could verify past flight times so we can put to rest if it was actually possible for him to fly commercial?