GUILTY ID - PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #113

[Warwick7]

He may or may not have gone there to kill four or more people; however, he had the capacity to do so & to kill all four in an extremely violent manner. Really strange to me the police insist there’s no link to the victims, but it seems he went to a certain bedroom, so I do think it’s plausible he was only going to kill one person.

I had thought he might have been hyped up on something but based on adrenaline and his jail roommate saying he doesn’t sleep, probably not. Just takes a nap during the day. (I’m an insomniac, but I don’t ever nap, but I also haven’t killed anyone.). I think I recall his apt neighbors saying they could hearing him vacuuming during the night/early morning hours.

BBM
I watched the Sheriff do that interview, either Dateline or Peacock's series, cant remember...he said going to BK's apartment gave no evidentiary value

I beg to differ. There was a tag to a balaclava (sp) and there were NO clothes in his apartment. He made the comment that it looked like BK was never coming back. Now to me that's evidentary value. So... just because law enforcement says there's no value in this or value in that or no evidence in this or evidence in that... nope, that doesn't mean there isn't.

 

[ShadyLady]

I think it was more planned than disorganized.
If BK had wanted to invade a home and attack one person alone, he chose the wrong house.

So he intended to go into a home where he knew several people would be present.
We know he had visited that house many times, and assume he watched casing it when he was there. He knew more than one person lived there.
He knew the floor plan to some degree- which is pretty strange- in that it has five bedrooms and three floors.
Do you think he expected to go upstairs, attack Maddie, and then go out without seeing the other girls at all? I suppose that is possible.
If he had watched that evening he would have seen that others were there, but he may have assumed they were asleep.

If he intended to only encounter one person upstairs and avoid anyone downstairs- could he have not exited the balcony? Maybe, maybe not.

I’m willing to guess he may have even broken into that home and roamed around before and left. Maybe this is what gave him the cajones to think he could go in and kill someone without being detected- and leave?

The source of intense fury that fueled his killing the others seems a mix of- fear of getting caught, fear of failure, and fury that someone messed up his well thought out plan. When his adrenaline kicked in- he went nuts. And in 15 min or less he was in and out- four dead.

IMO

Or was he unaware Maddie had company? Was he there to ra pe, then kill? If so he probably came with a stun gun, maybe rope. I don't think his intent was to kill multiple people.

 

[AngTxGal]

In the movie, The Bad Seed (1956 film) - Wikipedia, Rhoda the child killer seems like a normal cheerful little girl, fooling everyone. But, killers like BK showed outward signs to the people around him that something was "off".

He was unable to fit in. He could not/did not know how to "act" normal, imo. I imagine this just alienated him more. Wonder what his teachers thought about him throughout his school years. Maybe it was just an unavoidable train wreck. Unpreventable, but I don't think internet corn helped.

EDIT:
OH....and want to add, IIRC Bundy was a charming, intelligent and social person....

Absolutely, there are people who don’t fit in, can’t quite figure out how to work with others.
And that skill of watching, listening, negotiating, manipulating is how people create their persona they display to others. Most of us—- learn to ‘act’ normal, and settle into it.
It either is rejected or accepted by others. Kids are brutal to a kid who doesn’t meet norms enough to get along with others. But kids can also change their opinion when someone changes and learns how to fit in better- in my experience.

Bundy was not always the charming intelligent social person he was in his thirties.
He was an outcast, some thought he was a product of incest. He was stigmatized, and also bullied by peers. He learned how to work the system, become what people wanted to see on the outside, and on the inside he became a monster.

I think that is why Bundy is tough for women, at least myself, to understand. He looks like a guy I may know, nice smile, bright, charming, in the pics and videos I’ve seen.
We don’t expect people who kill 30 females, or more, ranging from preteen to adult, by strangulation, blunt force trauma, burning bodies, and sexual assault before and after death, kidnapping and keeping a child for over 24 hours- to look like Bundy. He learned to blend.

Bundy was not an incel- he dated sometimes several woman at a time, he liked the game of luring woman as prey- it wasn’t that he could not attract them. He didn’t kill out of anger- I don’t think- I think he enjoyed the game, maybe even liked watching them in pain, controlling them.

Of the two- which is more twisted? I think BK lacked the ability to blend, or he would have been more dangerous than he is. Both are twisted- Bundy was better at it.

Maybe it isn’t possible in today’s world of connected communication and technology where we can’t hide and sneak and maintain privacy to do what Bundy did? That is comforting!

IMO

 

[MyJoey]

She’s the one that was smirking through the hearing. OMO.

She’s really squeezing his hand and he’s barely holding hers.

 

[Rolypolyoly]

I wouldn't say shot himself in the foot. Either way the rest of us were waiting on bated breath as he did every interview. We are all were hoping he'd say something.

Not all, some of us were cringing at the amount of detailed information he was putting out there, and hoping he didnt damage the prosecution's case.

I think he over shared details that were shared with the families in confidence, and he wouldn't stop, which ultimately ended up with the cessation of information sharing, and a gag order.

I dont believe for a second he had bad intentions, he was acting from pure grief, I get that, and the media have been taking advantage of him ever since. His lawyer should have been protecting him from himself and them, but I guess if he had done that then he wouldn't have made such a name for himself. I certainly cant name any of the 3 other families lawyers!.

 

[Arkay]

Idaho murders: Investigators speak out about targets, motive and interviewing Kohberger

ABC News sat down with Idaho State Police Lt. Darren Gilbertson, the lead detective in the Idaho murders case, after Bryan Kohberger was put behind bars for life.

abcnews.go.com

So it was Ethan’s blood that seeped through the wall to the exterior of the house.

I so admire how his parents and siblings can cope with this. I know I couldn’t.

(Please forgive me if this has already been posted. I really try not to do this but I’m still 1200 miles from home and busy with sick parents, though I have every intention of catching up once I’m home).

Just the thought of this young man, asleep, so bloody that it pierced through the walls to the home’s exterior….

JMO

 

[sripey]

He may or may not have gone there to kill four or more people; however, he had the capacity to do so & to kill all four in an extremely violent manner. Really strange to me the police insist there’s no link to the victims, but it seems he went to a certain bedroom, so I do think it’s plausible he was only going to kill one person.

I had thought he might have been hyped up on something but based on adrenaline and his jail roommate saying he doesn’t sleep, probably not. Just takes a nap during the day. (I’m an insomniac, but I don’t ever nap, but I also haven’t killed anyone.). I think I recall his apt neighbors saying they could hearing him vacuuming during the night/early morning hours.

BBM

The police are not insisting there wasn't a link, they are saying they could not find any evidence of a link to the victims. I would make a large wager that just about everyone in LE thinks there was a link, somewhere. BK apparently did a pretty good job of forensically wiping his computer and erasing info from his phone. There's an excellent chance the connection to the victims would have been found in those erased files.

Moo

 

[katydid23]

Or was he unaware Maddie had company? Was he there to ra pe, then kill? If so he probably came with a stun gun, maybe rope. I don't think his intent was to kill multiple people.

He may not have intended to kill multiple people, but he must have known there were multiple people inside. So he had to know he might have to kill others out of necessity. IMO

 

[Miss Poovy]

BBM

The police are not insisting there wasn't a link, they are saying they could not find any evidence of a link to the victims. I would make a large wager that just about everyone in LE thinks there was a link, somewhere. BK apparently did a pretty good job of forensically wiping his computer and erasing info from his phone. There's an excellent chance the connection to the victims would have been found in those erased files.

Moo

Agree, but the police seem pretty insistent in the CNN video, IMO.

 

[LAborn]

He may not have intended to kill multiple people, but he must have known there were multiple people inside. So he had to know he might have to kill others out of necessity. IMO

Conjecture on my part here. I think he went at 4am to avoid other people in the house (what a crap shoot he made), commit his assault and get out. High risk. Do we know if he was prone to taking risks? I guess taking heroin is.

 

[flowershop]

Could someone confirm for me if the Pappa Rodger online account was indeed BK's? And is it also confirmed he made a rap song on SoundCloud? I never got the sense that these online foot prints were certainly his.

 

[Miss Poovy]

BBM
I watched the Sheriff do that interview, either Dateline or Peacock's series, cant remember...he said going to BK's apartment gave evidentiary value

I beg to differ. There was a tag to a balaclava (sp) and there were NO clothes in his apartment. You made the comment that it looked like BK was never coming back. Now to me that's evidentary value. So... just because law enforcement says there's no value in this or value in that or no evidence in this or evidence in that... nope, that doesn't mean there isn't.

Not sure if you posted on the wrong comment? Doesn’t seem to match what I stated.

 

[Tealgrove]

What was his plan? Stay in PA, deliver a diatribe to his parents how inferior the university, the program, the professors and students were? Harass police departments with his flimsy resume? Try to worm his way into LE? Scary to think how easily a uniform buys entrance. "It's OK, I'm here to help you."

Terrifying actually to imagine him on the inside track, granting himself access to potential victims, guards down.

JMO

Shades of Dexter…..

 

[Miss Poovy]

Agree, but the police seem pretty insistent in the CNN video, IMO.

Listen to 1:13-2:11 on the CNN interview that is posted.

 

[ShadyLady]

Oh, wow, that one looks so tragic. Now has me thinking about Jon Benet. Impulse control has to be such an integral part of murder along the hunting instinct we all have. Whether planned or not.
Ok, going to go watch. The Family I Had (2017) 6.7 | Documentary, Crime

 

[LAborn]

I'm an Angenette Levy fan. She and her expert do a great job breaking down body language and how autism/asperger's impacts how BK acts (which imo give insight into his actions during the crime)

 

[gremlin444]

Could someone confirm for me if the Pappa Rodger online account was indeed BK's? And is it also confirmed he made a rap song on SoundCloud? I never got the sense that these online foot prints were certainly his.

I haven't gone through all the documents Moscow police released, so I don't know if there is anything in there.

But in the posts from the tapatalk forums on visual snow that the NYT said they were able to verify were his posts, he mentioned writing the rap.

 

[Ghostwheel]

Not only did they do a geological soil sample, from the shovel in his car, they also analysed the pollen in that sample

40 mins here

not native to Moscow Idaho but common ornamentals.
( IMO Unlikely to be somebody's garden but could be arboretum specimens)

Are there any arboretums near Moscow or between Moscow & Pullman?

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I noticed when perusing maps that there are a lot of pine trees planted at various houses and businesses along the route and across Thorne Creek. I don't doubt there were plenty of places with pine pollen he could have buried something. It will be interesting to see if anyone sets out to inspect every pine tree going that direction.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

I attribute his success at La Salle and glowing recommendation from his advisor to having clear direction and ability to carry out academic work, it's methodical and dry. His poor "people skills" didn't really come into play much, or if it did fellow students probably viewed him as the awkward nerd. They did view him as highly intelligent.

At WSU translating his academic expertise into effective teaching, tutoring or student advising was clearly a hurdle too high. Also, as far as faculty and department interactions go there is very little tolerance for inappropriate behavior. They have to worry about reputation, legal issues, etc. If he was belligerent with faculty members and not following direction, he wouldn't get many chances to get in line. Which is what happened, booted out of the TA position, which essentially meant an end to his Ph.D. aspirations at WSU.

Graduate programs are not all the same. The Loser was in an online master's program that by nature doesn't allow all that much person-to-person interaction. In an in-person master's, you have a lot of interaction with and learning not just from professors but from the back-and-forth of discussion and group learning situations with other students.

In a department that has a PhD and a master's in the same discipline or a related one, master's students may have course work with PhD students and may also have TA responsibilities. And students further along in their programs may even supervise new grad students in their teaching role. In some of these programs, the master's is just a mile marker to the Ph.D; years ago when I did my grad studies, the master's exams determined if you could go on to the PhD.

The Loser (and other students coming into a PhD program from an online master's would have a disciplinary learning curve because doctoral work is not about learning information and feeding it back; it's about becoming someone with the knowledge and curiosity to enter the conversation experts have about the field's central and emerging questions. This is why (I think) many people get through the course work and maybe even through exams but falter at the dissertation level and leave the program "ABD"--all but dissertation. In a highly competitive program with professors who have national and international reputations, it can be a crucible. And that's aside from what it takes to teach first-year courses to undergrads.

 

[AngTxGal]

Or was he unaware Maddie had company? Was he there to ra pe, then kill? If so he probably came with a stun gun, maybe rope. I don't think his intent was to kill multiple people.

I don’t know if BK intended sexual assault and then was surprised by KG being there with MM?
It seems possible, but I would think by 27 he would have already acted on those tendencies.
Something kept him back.
I wonder why he is described by some as OCD with germaphobic tendencies. Meaning- I wonder where/ when/ how that issue originated.
Being physically close to a body during intimacy would be tough for a person who has issues with germs, especially bodily fluids and contact, personal space etc.
Can a person like that work through such issues to carry out sexual assault?
There is much to get over I would think- and then the performance part may be an issue.

I find it strange to imagine a young man could possibly think a woman’s body is disgusting, dirty, something they would need to clean to protect themselves from. Maybe that is a thing

I don’t know- some guy will have to chime in here. Or someone who knows more about OCD
IMO