ID - Ranchers wife: I saw them murder my husband

[SweetT]

972 people killed by the police so far this year. Almost 200 of them unarmed. The number will be well over a thousand by the end of the year. This is a holocaust going on in this country.

The Counted - People killed by police in the US

We need to start demanding better of our police and our government than what we expect from ****s and crooks off the street.

 

[Sonya610]

Gerry Spence of Ruby Ridge fame is going to be representing the family! IMO those deputies made a HUGE mistake and this won't be brushed under the rug.

According to Boise area attorney, Paul Winward, Gerry Spence's law firm out of Wyoming will also be on the case.

Spence represented Randy Weaver in the 1992 Ruby Ridge shootout that left three people dead.

http://www.kivitv.com/news/town-hal...scheduled-after-fatal-shooting-of-jack-yantis

 

[SophieRose]

Just FYI, here is a deputy in Texas that was attacked and killed by an injured cow.

http://www.odmp.org/officer/20796-deputy-sheriff-robert-leo-britton-jr

Deputy Sheriff Robert Britton succumbed to injuries sustained four days earlier when he was attacked by an injured cow while directing traffic around the animal.

 

[bwt42]

We need to start demanding better of our police and our government than what we expect from ****s and crooks off the street.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...n/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-database#

197 of the 992 killed by police were unarmed.
87 died by gunshot
44 died by taser
32 died by struck by vehicle
31 died in custody.

 

[ReadySet]

Adding to my post: Meant to say, I don't consider it a msm site. JMO

Just a note about the idahoreporter.com
referenced above. I was not familiar with it. I found that it is an arm of the Idaho Freedom Foundation, which is a "think tank" kind of organization. Not saying the article is or isn't valid; just for me, that outlet does not have the same credibility as others. JMO

 

[ReadySet]

FBI involved now

BOISE - The Federal Bureau of Investigation is now looking into the officer-involved shooting death of Adams County rancher Jack Yantis.
U.S. Attorney for Idaho Wendy Olson made the announcement Thursday. Olson confirmed to KTVB that the FBI investigation will take place alongside the Idaho State Police investigation. Idaho Attorney General Lawrence Wasden is serving as a special prosecutor in the case for the state.
Federal investigators will look into whether deputies violated Yantis' Fourth Amendment right to be free from unreasonable seizure.

http://www.ktvb.com/story/news/crim...g-shooting-death-of-council-rancher/75672060/

ETA: For those with more knowledge of FBI than me, is it typical for FBI involvement in this type of case?

 

[SophieRose]

Here's an editorial by an Idahoan where he asks some questions. Lots of comments on other websites about the article where they say open range had nothing to do with the shooting.

http://www.thewildlifenews.com/2015...ts-need-for-change-in-idahos-open-range-laws/

There are several questions that need to be answered here. Did Yantis die because he felt emboldened by Idaho’s open range laws to confront the deputies who were about to kill his prized bull for the protection of themselves and bystanders? Do idaho’s open range laws inflate the sense of entitlement felt by an elite class of people and put lives at risk unfairly? Is it unfair to require landowners to fence livestock off of their property rather than require livestock owners to keep livestock fenced off of other’s property?

 

[SophieRose]

“I put the [skid loader’s] lights on him and the bull, and [Yantis] lined up to shoot the bull in the back of head and put him out humanely,” Paradis said. “Everything was going as planned. … Then the one cop turned around and grabbed his shoulder and jerked him backward.”

Paradis said the rancher’s rifle accidentally went off, which prompted two deputies to shoot Yantis in the chest and abdomen.

The sheriff told the Statesman on Thursday his deputies were wearing body cameras during the shooting. It was not stated whether their cameras were recording.

A vehicle dash camera for the men was not turned on, the newspaper reported.


http://www.wnd.com/2015/11/cops-under-fire-for-senseless-murder-of-cattle-rancher/

Weren't the deputies behind him? How did he get shot in the chest and abdomen? Did he spin around when jerked around backward?

Nephew's diagram of where everyone stood.

http://www.infowars.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/yantis-death1.jpg

 

[Woodland]

Here's an editorial by an Idahoan where he asks some questions. Lots of comments on other websites about the article where they say open range had nothing to do with the shooting.

http://www.thewildlifenews.com/2015...ts-need-for-change-in-idahos-open-range-laws/

There are several questions that need to be answered here. Did Yantis die because he felt emboldened by Idaho’s open range laws to confront the deputies who were about to kill his prized bull for the protection of themselves and bystanders? Do idaho’s open range laws inflate the sense of entitlement felt by an elite class of people and put lives at risk unfairly? Is it unfair to require landowners to fence livestock off of their property rather than require livestock owners to keep livestock fenced off of other’s property?

This article is dated 3 Nov 2015 - what made the author think a confrontation took place rather than a deputy grabbed JY by the shoulder when he was holding a rifle aimed at the back of the bulls head? What was the nature of the confrontation - that has not been stated yet by LE and it's 12 Nov. Why did JY have the rifle - to put the bull down or to confront the deputies or others on the road?

Imo, the author takes a big leap in saying JY's death by bullets from LE gun(s) were a result of the open range laws in Idaho.

These special laws, written solely to protect a special class of people (ranchers) are responsible for the incident in Adams County on November 1st.

 

[ReadySet]

I don't think this has been posted yet.

This is written by a Council native and editor of the Adams County Record. I find this article helpful in giving a bit of a different perspective.

As bad as the knowledge of what happened is, what the people of Council don’tknow weighs on them like a suffocating blanket. After spending his entire life here, Jack Yantis was known by most people in the area. How could this have happened? The black cloud of this horrible event, the likes of which has never happened in living memory, is in the back of everyone’s mind and comes to the forefront in most conversations.

http://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/article44342004.html

 

[Woodland]

Weren't the deputies behind him? How did he get shot in the chest and abdomen? Did he spin around when jerked around backward?

Nephew's diagram of where everyone stood.

http://www.infowars.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/yantis-death1.jpg

The only version available to date comes from family of JY - from link in post #1.

“Then the one cop turned around and grabbed his shoulder and jerked him backwards.”

The deputy came from behind, spun Yantis around and grabbed the rifle’s scope, Paradis said.

The deputy pushed Yantis. The rifle was still in Yantis’ hands, its barrel pointed at the ground. Yantis was trying to regain his footing.

Paradis said he does not know whether the rifle fired, but he thinks it might have discharged accidentally when the deputy grabbed Yantis and spun him, or when one of the deputy’s bullets pierced Yantis’ hand holding the rifle, hitting the gun and damaging it.

One deputy began shooting at Yantis, then the other deputy started shooting.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/nation-world/article43673037.html

 

[bwt42]

FBI involved now

BOISE - The Federal Bureau of Investigation is now looking into the officer-involved shooting death of Adams County rancher Jack Yantis.
U.S. Attorney for Idaho Wendy Olson made the announcement Thursday. Olson confirmed to KTVB that the FBI investigation will take place alongside the Idaho State Police investigation. Idaho Attorney General Lawrence Wasden is serving as a special prosecutor in the case for the state.
Federal investigators will look into whether deputies violated Yantis' Fourth Amendment right to be free from unreasonable seizure.

http://www.ktvb.com/story/news/crim...g-shooting-death-of-council-rancher/75672060/

ETA: For those with more knowledge of FBI than me, is it typical for FBI involvement in this type of case?

IMO. The FBI gets involved in what should be a state case for political reasons. Sometimes the state asks for their assistance & sometimes someone with influence pushes the buttons to get them involved.

 

[SophieRose]

There's a poster on this website quoting from another facebook post claiming to be an eyewitness. Says Yantis was shot once in the stomach by one deputy and four times in the chest by the other.

http://gawker.com/more-information-a-facebook-post-by-an-eyewitness-a-1740329299

 

[Sonya610]

Do idaho’s open range laws inflate the sense of entitlement felt by an elite class of people and put lives at risk unfairly? Is it unfair to require landowners to fence livestock off of their property rather than require livestock owners to keep livestock fenced off of other’s property?

Idaho also has elk and moose running around and getting on the highways. A bull moose weighs 1000 to 1500 lbs, a bull elk can weigh 750+ lbs.

Both Elk and Moose are a LOT faster than a Bull cow which makes hitting one much more likely for drivers that ARE paying attention to the road. Elk and moose run at 35-40 MPH, the average bull/cow herd moves at 15 miles per hour.

Does the author want to build fences and keep them off the highways too?

 

[Sonya610]

Has it been said how old were these two Deputies? How long have they been working in LE? Very curious

See below:

He said the two deputies involved in the Yantis shooting — who have not been identified — are both certified through Idaho’s Peace Officer Standards and Training program. One has five years of experience and the other is a 15-year veteran, he said.

“They were not two rookie, inexperienced officers,” he said.

http://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/article44221113.html#storylink=cpy

I am guessing it must be a very unpleasant working environment for the 5 rural deputies still on the road, they can probably feel the hate/mistrust from the population even when they are just driving around. The Sheriff said now with two on leave there are only 5 rural deputies on the job, one would think it wouldn't be hard to figure out which two are missing.

Folks will say "But there are good deputies in that department too and it's not fair to blame them all " and yes, that is probably true. Nevertheless if I lived there I would make the cautious assumption that they are all unpredictable and dangerous.

 

[SophieRose]

Picture of the scene that night

https://charlescarrollsociety.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/1108-Yantis1-night-scene.jpg

 

[Sonya610]

Now ISP is saying there is no timeline at all to release info, before it was supposedly 6 months and now they won't even commit to that! http://www.ktvb.com/story/news/crim...g-shooting-death-of-council-rancher/75672060/

If a private citizen was involved in an intentional fatal shooting with MULTIPLE witnesses it sure as heck wouldn't take 6 months for the DA to decide if they could pursue charges.

Seems to me they are playing both sides of the coin, they will treat this just like any other civilian shooting and keep all of the evidence confidential for as long as they like while at the same time granting the officers the legal privilege of being seen as the "victims" and Yantis as the criminal aggressor.

The Governor or someone needs to tell them to smarten up, if they keep playing games and with holding all evidence they will make an already bad situation much worse! People already have trust issues and that trust will continue to deteriorate with every passing day. From an "officer safety" standpoint alienating the civilian population is not a good idea.

 

[Sonya610]

Yantis was cited for obstructing officers in 1997. I have a feeling he gave them a piece of his mind before he was shot.

He was, however, no stranger to police. Idaho criminal records show Yantis was found guilty of “resisting or obstructing officers,” a misdemeanor, in 1997. In 2002, he was found guilty of driving under the influence. But whatever his criminal record may have included, according to his family, he was killed by overzealous lawmen.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...aho-rancher-who-had-tangled-with-cops-before/

 

[RBQ]

According to Boise area attorney, Paul Winward, Gerry Spence's law firm out of Wyoming will also be on the case. Spence represented Randy Weaver in the 1992 Ruby Ridge shootout that left three people dead

Gerry Spence of Ruby Ridge fame is going to be representing the family! IMO those deputies made a HUGE mistake and this won't be brushed under the rug.

Something went terribly wrong that's for sure :shakehead:

 

[drjones]

it is very misleading to describe someone as "no stranger to police" when all they have is an 18 year old resisting/obstruction charge and a 13 year old DUI...