ID - Robert Manwill, 8, Boise, 24 July 2009 - #3

[Idaho-native]

I can't believe they named the little girl and her parents!!!!! THIS IS A MURDER INVESTIGATION! Naming witnesses should be an absolute NO NO until an arrest is made and the monster(s) are behind bars.

Idaho-Native, I'm sending prayers to your niece and her parents. May the Angels protect them and guide them as this investigation continues.

Salem

I totally agree that names should not have been given. I wouldnt be surprised if my brother gets a phone call today having him not talk to anyone else. I sent him a text as soon as I saw this, but I am assuming he was still sleeping.

Does anyone think a gag order will be issued as soon as an arrest is made? There seem to be a lot of people that will be witnesses of some sort.

 

[Idaho-native]

I'm beginning to wonder if Ehrlick wasn't also the one who fractured his own baby's skull and MJ took the blame. These are all just my personal thoughts, but there are women out there who will do anything for their man--including take a rap if they think it will keep him with her. He is the one with the history of domestic violence. He isn't allowed to be alone with MJ's daughter. The injured baby was taken away. I think it is entirely possible that she doesn't know what happened to Robert if she just got home from work at 9:00 or 9:30. That should be easy to find out from work records. It seems the boyfriend is also responsible for the birthday party story. If he told MJ that story as well, she may have been searching on her own and trying to figure out who was new
in the building. That could easily explain the hour or so before LE was called. Kind of up in the air yet on her involvement.

I read somewhere else that it was questioned if the bf isnt the one who fractured the baby skull. There are some out there that would take the punishment for someone else because they "love" them and know they would get a lighter sentence. With his past he they might have known that he would end up doing a lot of time. I also read on the Idaho Repository that he has been ordered anger management.

I do know there was an actual birthday party in the complex. All the kids knew about it so it would have been able to be confirmed right away if Robert was there or not. There would have been no reason to say even by the next day "he may be at an unknown birthday party". It wasnt unknown, but it was canceled so none of the kids ended up going. Not sure why it was canceled. The fact that this birthday party was being reported a day later makes me think that the bf knew as late as it was he could send police and community on a wild goose chance if he played dumb just long enough to buy him a few more hours. And it seems to have worked. By the time everyone caught on he moved the body.

Im starting to think maybe the mother doesnt really know. When I talked to my brother the other day he did say the mom has been seen at the vigil, but the bf has been nowhere around

 

[Angel Who Cares]

VIDEO: ID missing boy found in canal? 2:17
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2009/08/05/ng.body.found.cnn

VIDEO: Whose body was in the canal? 4:46
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2009/08/04/jvm.manwill.latest.cnn

FYI: TONIGHT ON "ISSUES with Jane Velez-Mitchell."
Who Killed Robert Manwill?
A Boise coroner tentatively identified the body found yesterday in an Idaho canal to be that of missing 8-year-old Robert Manwill. Is there a killer on the loose? Or was young Robert the victim of a tragic accident? Jane will have all the latest tonight at 7pm ET on HLN.
http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/issues.with.jane/

:angel:

 

[Paintr]

http://www.fox12idaho.com/Global/story.asp?S=10848954&nav=menu439_2

And part of that investigation will require keeping crucial information close to the vest, so Kerns also had a warning for those who may not understand the department's procedures.

"We caution those that would speculate, who spread rumors, or second guess what's going on behind the scenes. Our system demands that we focus on evidence," he said.

It's perhaps a slight jab at the media, which has focused on the police department's refusal to answer questions on camera, as well as the shady background of Manwill's mother and her boyfriend, and all of it well before a body was ever found.

 

[Idaho-native]

This is on page 4 of the comments section in the statesman
http://www.idahostatesman.com/newsu...4&mi_pluck_action=page_nav#Comments_Container

hghrpwrd wrote on August, 5 9:41 AM:

A friend whose boyfriend went into intermountain hospital yesterday told me that he told her Ehrlick was in there.



That does go hand in hand with him being in the local hospital last Thursday on what some were suspecting was a suicide attempt. It also would explain why he was not with the mother at the police station the day the boy was found nor was he at the vigil that the mother attended. This would also explain why after all this new evidence they have not arrested him. At this point they know exactly where he is and are probably waiting to make that arrest as soon as he is released from this hospital.

For those wondering.....Intermountain is a mental health hospital. I would say in the local area it is the largest one. From here the next hospital would be state hospital

 

[jnTexas]

This is on page 4 of the comments section in the statesman
http://www.idahostatesman.com/newsu...4&mi_pluck_action=page_nav#Comments_Container

hghrpwrd wrote on August, 5 9:41 AM:

A friend whose boyfriend went into intermountain hospital yesterday told me that he told her Ehrlick was in there.



That does go hand in hand with him being in the local hospital last Thursday on what some were suspecting was a suicide attempt. It also would explain why he was not with the mother at the police station the day the boy was found nor was he at the vigil that the mother attended. This would also explain why after all this new evidence they have not arrested him. At this point they know exactly where he is and are probably waiting to make that arrest as soon as he is released from this hospital.

For those wondering.....Intermountain is a mental health hospital. I would say in the local area it is the largest one. From here the next hospital would be state hospital

I hope they release him soon, and find him sane. I want to see whoever murdered Robert to be held accountable, along with whoever enabled the abuser/murderer.

OT.... Yesterday i seen a billboard it said: Buy a gun for someone who cannot(in otherwords a felon) and spend 10 years behind bars. They are doing this because women in our state are buying guns for the drug cartels who are taking them across the boarder to Mexico aiding in the violence going on there. I wish we treated child abusers, and enablers with at least the same sentence. What I interpret from this is people in another country are more important to protect than our children!!

 

[Idaho-native]

new update from my brother.......

He has called me twice in the last few minutes. He said that the bf was in intermountain hospital. Last week he went into St.Als for a attempted drug overdose. From there that hospital sent him over to intermountain. Intermountain is across the way from the jail. St. Als where he originally was has a small mental health unit, but all the deep stuff gets sent over to intermountain. He said the bf was released at 8am yesterday or today. I aslked him how he knew this and apparently the mother called the apartment complex and told them he was being released and she wanted the locks on that apartment changed.

If he was released from the hospital today it will be interesting to see if an arrest is made today. I cant imagine they will let this guy very far out of his site. It seems he is a permanent flight risk. It also seems that at this point maybe even the mother believes he did it. Why else would she be trying to keep him out of the apartment

 

[Angel Who Cares]

Idaho-native I'm going back to the article & edit out the names with only their first names & initials used for our forum. I did 2nd guess myself when I posted the article this morning about them using your nieces name in the article. My heart & prayers go out to her. She must be so upset over all of this & being interviewed so much by the FBI.

When I posted that it confirmed your earlier posts I was also left out who you were, & was leaving it up to others to go back to see your earlier posts. I was letting you decide to post again confirming what poster I was referring to. I wanted to respect your decision to repost that it was you.

My prayers go out to your brother & his wife as well.

ITA that they should have at least left out your nieces name in the article. :shakehead:
I apologize for posting her name here at WS'S. I'm going back right now to only use her initials. :wink:

:angel:

 

[Noway]

The bloodhounds that 'hit' on the SUV were searching for the scent of a live person weren't they?

It wasn't until after that when LE made the announcement that Robert could have been the victim of a tragic event.

~snipped~

UPDATE II: Boise man's home serached in Manwill disappearance
Authorities searched the home and blue Suburban of Evan Wallis after bloodhounds picked up a scent on his Suburban. Wallis says he welcomes authorities to search his yard and house as he has three boys of his own. Wall is also states that his Suburban "was stolen" on July 22, just two days before Robert disappeared. Then it turned back up on Monday and Wallis notified the Ada County Sheriff’s Office.”

Wallis says police searched his home after bloodhounds picked up a scent on his Suburban. He says his truck was stolen on July 22, just two days before Robert disappeared. Then it turned back up on Monday and Wallis notified the Ada County Sheriff’s Office.
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UPDATE III: Boise Police Say That Robert Manwill May Be The Victime Of A Tragic Event

For the first time, Boise Police admit missing 8-year-old boy Robert Manwill’s disappearance is suspicious. At a press conference Friday afternoon, Deputy Chief Jim Kerns revealed police found evidence to indicate Robert may be injured or the victim of a tragic event. Police would not say what evidence they found.
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[Patty G]

August 4, 2009

Prime News
YouTube - Prime News 8/04/09 Robert Manwill

Press Conference 4:00 PM Mt. Time
YouTube - Robert Manwill Press Conf 8/04/09 4:00 PM Mt Time

Issues
YouTube - Issues 8/04/09 Robert Manwill Part 1
YouTube - Issues 8/04/09 Robert Manwill Part 2

Nancy Grace
YouTube - Nancy 8/04/09 Robert Manwill Part 1
YouTube - Nancy 8/04/09 Robert Manwill Part 2
YouTube - Nancy 8/04/09 Robert Manwill Part 3
YouTube - Nancy 8/04/09 Robert Manwill Part 4

 

[UnderDog]

Intermountain provides extensive drug treatment programs as well.
Intermountain Hospital is a full-service, free-standing psychiatric hospital located in Boise, Idaho that has provided acute inpatient and chemical dependency services since 1980.

http://www.psysolutions.com/facilities/intermountain/

 

[Idaho-native]

Idaho-native I'm going back to the article & edit out the names with only their first names & initials used for our forum. I did 2nd guess myself when I posted the article this morning about them using your nieces name in the article. My heart & prayers go out to her. She must be so upset over all of this & being interviewed so much by the FBI.

When I posted that it confirmed your earlier posts I was also left out who you were, & was leaving it up to others to go back to see your earlier posts. I was letting you decide to post again confirming what poster I was referring to. I wanted to respect your decision to repost that it was you.

My prayers go out to your brother & his wife as well.

ITA that they should have at least left out your nieces name in the article. :shakehead:
I apologize for posting her name here at WS'S. I'm going back right now to only use her initials. :wink:

:angel:

Thank you very much for all your thought and respect. I debated making the post that I did, but figured its not all the hard to realize what poster you were mentioning. I haven't done a very good job at being discrete. Partly because I wanted everyone to realize I wasnt some schmuck just trying to say smack.

I think with the Statesman releasing names is a huge issue. When I was talking to him a bit ago he said that he would not let them take photos of the kids being interviewed. Very smart thing on his part.

 

[ohiogirl]

The bloodhounds that 'hit' on the SUV were searching for the scent of a live person weren't they?

It wasn't until after that when LE made the announcement that Robert could have been the victim of a tragic event.

~snipped~

UPDATE II: Boise man's home serached in Manwill disappearance
Authorities searched the home and blue Suburban of Evan Wallis after bloodhounds picked up a scent on his Suburban. Wallis says he welcomes authorities to search his yard and house as he has three boys of his own. Wall is also states that his Suburban "was stolen" on July 22, just two days before Robert disappeared. Then it turned back up on Monday and Wallis notified the Ada County Sheriff’s Office.”

Wallis says police searched his home after bloodhounds picked up a scent on his Suburban. He says his truck was stolen on July 22, just two days before Robert disappeared. Then it turned back up on Monday and Wallis notified the Ada County Sheriff’s Office.
​

UPDATE III: Boise Police Say That Robert Manwill May Be The Victime Of A Tragic Event

For the first time, Boise Police admit missing 8-year-old boy Robert Manwill’s disappearance is suspicious. At a press conference Friday afternoon, Deputy Chief Jim Kerns revealed police found evidence to indicate Robert may be injured or the victim of a tragic event. Police would not say what evidence they found
​

I am still having trouble figuring out what the stolen Suburban has to do with all this. If it was stolen 2 days before Robert disappeared,wsa this premeditated? Just thinking out loud.​

 

[Noway]

The bloodhounds "hit" on the SUV, so that's the connection to this case. However, it was asked whether Robert had ever been in that SUV before (unknown at this time I believe).

Maybe someone just helped themselves to the SUV for other reasons (wanted to) and it was used during Robert's disappearance.

But that's why I was checking what type of dogs were used. At that point, LE was saying Robert was alive, so I don't think they would have used cadaver dogs, but rather, were using dogs that would track a live person.

 

[Idaho-native]

The part that blows me away the most is how the police insult people intelligence. We have have enough information to figure out who the suspect is. The details they aren't telling us probably aren't things we haven't already figured out on our own. In the end they are the ones stirring any speculation. How can it be such secret information if everyone else who doesn't make the big bucks to investigate already have a pretty good idea how its gonna shake out.


I can already hear everyone sitting back saying "yep thats what I thought" as they are giving details once it does come out.

 

[Noway]

A bloodhound has been brought in from Indiana, courtesy of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. The dog has been used in the search, but police would not detail how the animal was used.

http://www.ktvb.com/news/localnews/stories/ktvbn-aug0209-manwill_sunday.9fa6c04a.html

That would make a huge difference in the direction of the case.

If this was a cadaver dog, and it 'hit' then it hit on the scent of death, but not necessarily Robert.

IIRC, the scent of death is the same for all, while each live human smells different to a dog. PLEASE correct me if I'm wrong on that.

If this was a tracking dog, then it 'hit' on the scent of Robert.

 

[Idaho-native]

The bloodhounds "hit" on the SUV, so that's the connection to this case. However, it was asked whether Robert had ever been in that SUV before (unknown at this time I believe).

Maybe someone just helped themselves to the SUV for other reasons (wanted to) and it was used during Robert's disappearance.

But that's why I was checking what type of dogs were used. At that point, LE was saying Robert was alive, so I don't think they would have used cadaver dogs, but rather, were using dogs that would track a live person.

I think by the time they searched the Wallis home they probably had a pretty good idea he was dead. That search took place after they were at the apartment and found some sort of blood. Im thinking that they have been playing stupid all along with what they do or dont know. Maybe if they play stupid the person who did this will get a hahaha cocky attitude thinking he has out smarted the police and then make some big mistake. That may be why they wont tell anyone anything. They dont want to have any slip ups of things they didnt intend to tell us so they have decided to tell us nothing.

 

[CentralAlberta]

Did BF do this unsuccessful overdose so he could plead "insane" if he is charged? Males who commit suicide don't generally overdose. Their deaths tend to be more violent and from the info. we know of him he is a violent person, so if he really was serious about this I don't think he would have taken the easy way "out" with drugs.

Like so many of you, I believe he is the one who killed little Robert and I don't think Mom had anything to do with it. At first I did but when I saw her on TV and saw her sad eyes I changed my mind. The BF however, looked quite normal, like he was being filmed shopping or out for a walk in a park, if you know what I mean.

 

[Kimster]

Perhaps the perp "borrowed" the SUV, knowing Willis was out of town, and had Robert in it. Then he "snapped" and killed precious Robert and used it again. LE has the SUV now, right? I hope they had cadaver dogs check it out while in their possession.

Idaho, has anyone mentioned seeing the SUV at the apartments?

 

[SleuthyMama]

The part that blows me away the most is how the police insult people intelligence. We have have enough information to figure out who the suspect is. The details they aren't telling us probably aren't things we haven't already figured out on our own. In the end they are the ones stirring any speculation. How can it be such secret information if everyone else who doesn't make the big bucks to investigate already have a pretty good idea how its gonna shake out.


I can already hear everyone sitting back saying "yep thats what I thought" as they are giving details once it does come out.

Respectfully, I'd like to disagree. I don't believe that it is so much insulting our intelligence as it is trying to make the case. I'm sure most of the LE agents working this case would love nothing more than to be able to scream from the rooftops who the number 1 suspects(s) is/are but they have to play the game to insure that once the perp goes to trial everything is on the up and up and he/she gets a fair trial. It's all in the name of doing the right thing and getting justice for Robert. At least that's how I choose to look at it.

Thank you for all your local input. That is invaluable to cases like these.