ID - Robert Manwill, 8, Boise, 24 July 2009 - #4

[nursebeeme]

I work in the funeral business and I promise you I have never seen nor written an obituary like that. What does this tell us anything?

I am a nurse... I don't work in the funeral biz.. but ita that I have never read an obit like that. (nurse thinks the aunt~spokesperson~chic wrote it... imhoo) It sounds like a "sorry note".... subconsciously

 

[Ivan's Phoenix]

Ok, I can't read. Which obit are you seeing the part about Robert having a temper?

 

[grandmaj]

The having a temper was on his Myspace page his family started not in the obits.

 

[snoelle1]

OK, so don't shoot the messenger so to speak, but in my years as a CPS investigator I have worked (too) many child fatality cases, and I have never been as disturbed as I was by the obit I just read...talk about trying the case in the court of public opinion...and trying to preemptively get that "court" on your side...that obit was not about Robert...it was about making an argument for how "well" he was loved and thus how those that loved him so much could never hurt him...not appropriate AT ALL...

 

[Ivan's Phoenix]

Thank you for that info. My son turns 19 on the 10th. Trenton was the 1st case of a missing child for me. I followed it on NG. Then Haleigh was my 1st internet case. I pray for all the missing, and hurt babies that have left this life way too soon. :innocent:

Happy Birthday to your son on the 10th!

Trenton was my first as well. I just happened to have had the Glenn Beck Show on, which was rare. He had said something on his radio show that day, and I wanted to see if he would talk more about on it his TV show. I left the TV on and here comes NG and the 911 call that Melinda made, and the pictures of Trenton. And that was the beginning of all this for me.

Rest in Peace Robert...:rose:
See you when I get there.

 

[DollyPardonMe]

I agree SS & Underdog. I have at least 3 stay at home dads in my extended family network and another 2 dads that have full legal custody of their children. They all do excellent jobs of taking care of their kids. None have been arrested. It is very important that at least one parent stay with a young child, IF POSSIBLE, during the first 3 years - I think. But I don't think it matters which parent as long as they are attentive and loving.

MOO,

Salem

I don't mean to go a little off topic on this but since you were talking about stay at home Dads, starting August 15th on the Fox Reality Network there will be a show starting called The House Husbands of Hollywood. Five Hollywood men defy traditional marital roles by staying home to run the household while their wives head to work. It’s a new family arrangement. Fox Reality Channel follows these men as they struggle to juggle day-to-day household duties while managing their egos. I know I will be staying tuned...

 

[LadyBugSTL]

Wow - I've never read an obit. like the first one...?

Not only have I never read an obituary anything like the first one - (in very poor taste, if you ask me) the first one and the second actually contradict each other in certain areas............obviously written by 2 different "camps"......

......I visited my own sons gravesite this afternoon - I know Mikey's not "there" - but it's a quiet peaceful and beautiful place where I go to reflect, shed a few tears, smile thru those tears at the stray funny memory, pray...and feed the deer that wander thru. Today, as I neared Mikeys headstone, laying flush against it as if it were placed there, was a single large bright green silk leaf off of, I'm sure, someone's nearby silk flower arrangement, only, I didn't see one nearby.

This green green leaf immediately made me think of Robert and my logical self realizes that someone had probably removed the flower arrangement it originally came from and that's why I didn't see it - but my optimistic and faith-filled self prefers to think it's a sign, that Robert is flying free, testing his new wings, peaceful and joyously....surrounded by love!

 

[LadyBugSTL]

I am first time poster so please excuse me if I didn't do it right. I agree with you, I think there is OVER explanation about the relationship between parents and the part on the myspace about his temper was uncalled for IMO. What 8 yr old doesn't have a temper? I am 50 something and I still have a temper! But that is not how I would want to be remembered. RIP dear sweet boy.

{{{{{{{Welcome emmasmom50 }}}}}}}}}} !!!!!!!!!

You did do it, *just right!!! :clap:

 

[SuziQ]

The second obit seems to have been written by the paper IMO. No mention of survivors and the quotes are from previous articles.

http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/idahostatesman/obituary.aspx?n=robert-grant-manwill&pid=131021531

 

[doobiedoo52]

I am a nurse... I don't work in the funeral biz.. but ita that I have never read an obit like that. (nurse thinks the aunt~spokesperson~chic wrote it... imhoo) It sounds like a "sorry note".... subconsciously

I agree that it looks like it was written by the aunt. I know when my dad was in the funeral business there was a regular data form you filled out for the obituary, but once in awhile, someone wished to write their own for a loved one and that was submitted instead. The second one is more of a news story than an obituary from the looks of it. My guess is the aunt is trying to smooth things over so to speak--she probably finds it hard to believe that either of them could do this to Robert.

 

[grandmaj]

Within this article is a clip of the racetrack with the Aunt speaking.

http://www.ktvb.com/news/localnews/stories/ktvbn-aug0809-manwill_vigils.bf2e8dc4.html

The station also has a notice with an inactive link that Robert's Funeral Service will be aired live.

 

[teedie2]

I'm wondering if any of you have ever known a little boy of Robert's age who hugged people as frequently as Robert did? It bothers me a bit, and I wonder if he was actually that secure in the love of his family..not that he was not loved, but in feeling that he was worthy of being loved. It sounds a bit as if he were trying to ingratiate himself with people, to "make" them love him back, like he thought love had to be earned. Poor little guy.

I would love to know if anyone else has thought about this concerning Robert.. Maybe most children are equally demonstrative, but I haven't known any.

I get the impression that Robert was small for his age. Perhaps he had a poor image of himself .. an inferiority complex. Whatever it is, I have not seen a happy smile on any pictures that I've seen of him, and it is so troubling. This is just my opinion .. observation, actually. And if anyone can give me a link to pictures where Robert looks really happy, please do. I'm so sad for him, his eyes are haunting.

 

[teedie2]

I agree that it looks like it was written by the aunt. I know when my dad was in the funeral business there was a regular data form you filled out for the obituary, but once in awhile, someone wished to write their own for a loved one and that was submitted instead. The second one is more of a news story than an obituary from the looks of it. My guess is the aunt is trying to smooth things over so to speak--she probably finds it hard to believe that either of them could do this to Robert.

I wonder if auntie does find it hard to believe ... after all, one baby in that household had a concussion from being burped.

The first obit reads like it was written from someone on the mother's side of the family. Is the aunt related to the mother or to the dad?

The second obit seems to be from the dad's point of view.

The obituaries read like "His & Hers" obits.

All the while, I bear in mind that accidents can happen, people can panic, and do the wrong thing and it all goes downhill. That would be easier to accept than someone committing a deliberate act.

 

[kiki the parrot]

I agree that it would have been better had the obit focused more on Robert. I did enjoy getting to know more about him on the myspace page. What a friendly, affectionate little guy. Was so hoping for an arrest. Sending Robert a hug :hug:

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[mysticrose]

I wonder how long it is going to take them to make an arrest in this case ? I'm hoping this coming week they have someone in custody.
I believe it will be the boyfriend I'm not quite sure about Mellissa at this point. Haven't heard anything more about her work. If she was working cleaning office buildings and such I would think that there would be camera's to put here there.
The thing about the stolen surburban still bothers me being it was taken 2 days prior to Robert's disapearence. Wallis said some one came into his home and took the keys.
Being that it seems BF's brother was good friend's with Wallis it would not be to inconceivable that BF would know that the home was left unlocked and helped himself because he knew Wallis would be out of town.
Do we know exactley when Wallis left town ?
Wallis is definatley trying to distance himself from the suburban. Didn't they take two vehicles from the apartment complex where mom live's ? If there was 2 vehicles why would BF need the suburban ? Maybe one was not running. If in fact BF had the vehicle I wonder if Melissa knew he had it and if she did then she would know right away with the dogs hitting on it ( that is if she had nothing to do with it) about Robert.
I'm just babbling along here ....

 

[Idaho-native]

Just checking in to see if there's news. That obituary is strange. More like an explanation of why MJ had visitation and putting some of the blame on Charles Manwill. I saw the replies about stereotyping stay at home Dads and I just want to say I understand how easy it is. My goal was to simply raise awareness. I also want to say this is a great community and if I come across as gruff or anything, feel free to notify me in private or in the context of the forum. My only goal is to be a contributing part of the "team". Ok, back to the case.

I for one didnt find you gruff or offensive in any way. You were great!!:balloons: (was looking for something else and found the balloons and thought they were just fitting. This can be WS way of letting balloons go for Robert like they did last night.)

 

[desert-blue]

I'm wondering if any of you have ever known a little boy of Robert's age who hugged people as frequently as Robert did? It bothers me a bit, and I wonder if he was actually that secure in the love of his family..not that he was not loved, but in feeling that he was worthy of being loved. It sounds a bit as if he were trying to ingratiate himself with people, to "make" them love him back, like he thought love had to be earned. Poor little guy.

I would love to know if anyone else has thought about this concerning Robert.. Maybe most children are equally demonstrative, but I haven't known any.

I get the impression that Robert was small for his age. Perhaps he had a poor image of himself .. an inferiority complex. Whatever it is, I have not seen a happy smile on any pictures that I've seen of him, and it is so troubling. This is just my opinion .. observation, actually. And if anyone can give me a link to pictures where Robert looks really happy, please do. I'm so sad for him, his eyes are haunting.

My son is 8 and he's a hugger too, although he's kind of outgrowing it now. He has always been very demonstrative and cuddly, though - much more so than my girls.

The hugging thing kind of got to me because my son is like that too - and my son is also small for his age, although not quite as small as Robert. Breaks my heart.

 

[Idaho-native]

The first obit reads like it was written from someone on the mother's side of the family. Is the aunt related to the mother or to the dad?

She is the moms sister

 

[Idaho-native]

I wonder how long it is going to take them to make an arrest in this case ? I'm hoping this coming week they have someone in custody.

The rumor I have been hearing is the bf is back in intermountain hospital because that is the one and only place they cant touch him.

 

[desert-blue]

Just sitting here thinking... is it possible that someone maybe did a search or something on the computer at her apartment (that was removed as evidence) for advice or ways to dispose of a body??? If the BF killed or injured Robert in the apartment, is it possible that in his panic, he might have used the computer to research how to get rid of the body and/or how to try to make it look accidental or something?

I just thought it was odd that they took the computer - I mean surely neither one of them would be stupid enough to discuss or write something about it on their computer. But, in the panic of the moment, one of them might have researched it on the computer. Sad to say, but I do that a lot, like when one of my kids eats a glob of Play-doh or something, often the first thing I do is look online and then decide how to proceed...