IDI Theories (intruder did it)

[norest4thewicked]

What's the control over something like that (re: missing persons board at a Walmart)? Is it something where the posters get rotated out at intervals when new cases arise (makes sense in the fact there is a finite amount of space)? Who supplies a place like Walmart with the missing persons flyers? Surely not the parents of every single missing child, do they?

I honestly don't know, but I do know that it was up at one point, and now it's gone. So, I would assume it is because the evidence that LE has so far points to the fact that Lisa never was a missing child. And, jumping off of that, I think that they are just taking their time to put together a case for an arrest.

Parents of a truly missing child would be out there every day insisting that their child was recognized as a missing child because, after all, that is the only way a missing child would be coming home. These parents know that Lisa won't be coming home and it doesn't seem to be worth their time and effort to even fight for Lisa's face to be kept in the spotlight. In fact, they just want it all to go away.

 

[jadejazzkayla]

Can you find a statement AFTER Oct 19th where LE says they believe an intruder came through the window and that Lisa was abducted?

My post was asking for a link to support a statement posted as fact and perhaps it is only the posters opinion and not fact.

As I posted...the fact is LE says evidence at the scene leads police to believe the child has been abducted.

 

[Melon]

Again. . .that article was published on Oct. 6th. . .before LE had finished investigating the window, before DB admitted she was drinking that night, before JI needed a "break" from questioning, before LE held a press conference saying the parents had stopped cooperating, before the cadaver dog hit, and before the search warrant was executed on Oct 19th.

Can you find a statement AFTER Oct 19th where LE says they believe an intruder came through the window and that Lisa was abducted?

The fact is, Lisa is listed as missing endangered. If LE believed that she was abducted by an intruder, she would be listed as non-family abducted.

It stands to reason the course of the investigation has indeed evolved from the initial LE statements of an intruder. Those first few days, LE was probably more involved in trying to find BL than anything else. As far as we know, at that time there weren't a whole lot of conflicting statements from the parents to be unraveled, there was no cadaver dog hit, no high power attorneys selling their song and dance on the television, the investigation was still in its infancy when the intruder statement was made by LE. To hold onto that particular statement at this point, you would have to ignore what we have learned since that statement, even if no one can find a statement in print to the contrary. I certainly cannot speak to the investigation or their techniques specifically, but I would venture a guess that the cadaver dog hit(s) narrow the scope of the investigation and not in favor of an abductor.

 

[melissasmom]

I honestly don't know, but I do know that it was up at one point, and now it's gone. So, I would assume it is because the evidence that LE has so far points to the fact that Lisa never was a missing child. And, jumping off of that, I think that they are just taking their time to put together a case for an arrest.

Parents of a truly missing child would be out there every day insisting that their child was recognized as a missing child because, after all, that is the only way a missing child would be coming home. These parents know that Lisa won't be coming home and it doesn't seem to be worth their time and effort to even fight for Lisa's face to be kept in the spotlight. In fact, they just want it all to go away.

LE does not control what posters are displayed at Walmart, or when they are taken down and replaced with others. NCMEC transmits posters to the various stores and the associates then hang them up. As stated in posts above, there would be NO WAY for every WalMart in the US to display a poster of every single missing child in the NCMEC database every day.

 

[askfornina]

I agree. And what I don't understand - I finally made it over to Wal-Mart and Sam's Club and remembered to check the missing children board. She is no longer on it. Little Ayla Reynolds is now in the spot on the board where I last saw Baby Lisa. How can this be done when there is no proof that this child was not abducted? At this stage, no body, no confession, nothing! Would it not be better to keep her face in the public in case she was abducted?

BBM.

I honestly don't know, but I do know that it was up at one point, and now it's gone. So, I would assume it is because the evidence that LE has so far points to the fact that Lisa never was a missing child. And, jumping off of that, I think that they are just taking their time to put together a case for an arrest.

BBM and snipped. The police department in the Ayla Reynolds case has said that they do not believe she was abducted, and her case is classified as a criminal investigation.

 

[Allusonz]

Could it simply be a chains policy (such as walmart) that missing flyers of children are rotated to ensure that every child gets a voice? A chance to be seen?

 

[eileenhawkeye]

I don't know about posters in a store, but I frequently get cards with missing children and teenagers on them in the mail. Almost every case is either of a runaway or a family abduction, and majority of them happened years ago.

 

[cityslick]

I honestly don't know, but I do know that it was up at one point, and now it's gone. So, I would assume it is because the evidence that LE has so far points to the fact that Lisa never was a missing child. And, jumping off of that, I think that they are just taking their time to put together a case for an arrest.

Parents of a truly missing child would be out there every day insisting that their child was recognized as a missing child because, after all, that is the only way a missing child would be coming home. These parents know that Lisa won't be coming home and it doesn't seem to be worth their time and effort to even fight for Lisa's face to be kept in the spotlight. In fact, they just want it all to go away.

There are hundreds of missing children who have not been found. They can not all be displayed, even locally. What makes BL any more important than a runaway who disappeared last week?

By your standard, if there are no missing child posters up, that means that LE thinks child is no longer 'missing' but yet I'm sure there are many instances where they are taken down to make room for newer cases. That's why I asked how the rotation is done.

 

[redheadedgal]

Gosh! Wouldn't you think that the parents of an abducted baby would make sure that their child's poster was up everywhere and anywhere?

i read this as "everywhere and anywhere within KC limits"... nothing else would be reasonable.

As I posted...the fact is LE says evidence at the scene leads police to believe the child has been abducted.

that was from the early days of the case (oct 4-6)...

re: the status of the case since then: "police still have no idea what happened to lisa irwin" (oct 12)... following this date were the 19 hr search of the house/property and bringing in a cadaver dog which alerted inside the house -- all of which is quite telling where this case status sits with LE. some things just don't need to be said.

http://articles.nydailynews.com/201...earch-home-with-metal-detectors-investigation


btw, christopher abeyta IS listed as "nonfamily abduction" @ NCMEC:

http://www.missingkids.com/missingk...aseNum=600552&orgPrefix=NCMC&searchLang=en_US

 

[melissasmom]

btw, christopher abeyta IS listed as "nonfamily abduction" @ NCMEC:
http://www.missingkids.com/missingk...aseNum=600552&orgPrefix=NCMC&searchLang=en_US

BBM (snipped for space)

That is strange, THIS link from NCMEC has Christopher listed as endangered missing:

http://www.missingkids.com/missingk...NCMC&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US

:waitasec:

 

[norest4thewicked]

BBM.



BBM and snipped. The police department in the Ayla Reynolds case has said that they do not believe she was abducted, and her case is classified as a criminal investigation.

Yes, I know. Every agency has its own criteria for how they classify a case. No two do everything exactly the same.

 

[norest4thewicked]

Oh, and I never said anything about Walmart making the decision as to whose poster went up. I believe it was Dewey when he asked another person to print off a copy of the poster and take it into Walmart to see if they would put it up.

 

[hambirg]

My post was asking for a link to support a statement posted as fact and perhaps it is only the posters opinion and not fact.

As I posted...the fact is LE says evidence at the scene leads police to believe the child has been abducted.

No, the fact is LE said (past tense) that on Oct 6th. . .before they had even finished investigating the window. . .etc. . .ad naseum.

<modsnip> . .it does not say that evidence at the scene leads police to believe that. . . .they hadn't even thoroughly investigated the scene yet. That's what the believed on Oct 6th because that's what the parents had told them and they didn't have anything else to go on yet.

 

[melissasmom]

The fact is, no matter if anyone here feels that an IDI theory is ridiculous, LE HAS NOT at any time made a statement saying that they feel this case is not an abduction.

The way the missing posters are worded, where the posters are, etc. really doesn't mean anything other than the fact that Lisa is missing. And STILL, as of today, listed as a missing child.

As I said, LE has not made even one statement advising they think the intruder story is a bunch of baloney. If anyone has a link refuting this, please post it.

 

[cityslick]

No, the fact is LE said (past tense) that on Oct 6th. . .before they had even finished investigating the window. . .etc. . .ad naseum.

Read it again. . .it does not say that evidence at the scene leads police to believe that. . . .they hadn't even thoroughly investigated the scene yet. That's what the believed on Oct 6th because that's what the parents had told them and they didn't have anything else to go on yet.

I don't believe LE has made any statement since then that contradicts the notion that they don't believe it was an abduction. Privately that may be the case (which would be an opinion by anyone here) but I can't recall any public statements where they stated that they don't believe the parents, don't think it was an abduction, etc.

If you have links that say otherwise, I'll stand corrected.

 

[Whisperer]

It doesn't even matter what the poster says as far as missing /abducted. The fact is that the child is not where they should be. Many childrens' pics are still up and say missing/etc. Some are even on Amber Alert and don't fit the criteria at all. I think TPTB just want the pic up as a reminder/memory of a precious child. It depends on the area of the country how long or what is written on the poster.

LE has a very good idea what happened to Lisa....and it didn't involve an intruder, IMO.

Yes, they went along with what the parents told them for two days. When Le started questioning the parents' statements, the parents lawyered up and have not spoken since.

The parents do not care what people think about what happened to Lisa. They are concerned about themselves and have made sure THEY are protected from any allegations of wrongdoing.

 

[askfornina]

Yes, I know. Every agency has its own criteria for how they classify a case. No two do everything exactly the same.

I understand that. Not sure how that is relevant to what I posted. You said:

I honestly don't know, but I do know that it was up at one point, and now it's gone. So, I would assume it is because the evidence that LE has so far points to the fact that Lisa never was a missing child.

I took that to mean that your opinion is: Lisa's poster is no longer up at WalMart, because LE does not believe Lisa was abducted.

My point was that police believe that Ayla Reynolds is not an abducted child. Her poster is still up at WalMart.

Sorry if I misunderstood. :seeya:

 

[Whisperer]

It doesn't matter what is said on the posters. What is important is the picture.

The topic is about an intruder doing the crime. It is unlikely.

Very recently, I discovered that some wrapping/packaging tape makes the sound of clicking when pulled. It caught my attention. This may be what the boys heard. We know they said they heard a clicking sound. What if this was the wrapping of Lisa? I believe she is in the landfill inside of a rug, backpack, bag or a container. She was wrapped by somebody inside the home. Her body was in the bedroom for a while and then placed in the yard/shed till it was time to be moved under the cover of night.

 

[hambirg]

I don't believe LE has made any statement since then that contradicts the notion that they don't believe it was an abduction. Privately that may be the case (which would be an opinion by anyone here) but I can't recall any public statements where they stated that they don't believe the parents, don't think it was an abduction, etc.

If you have links that say otherwise, I'll stand corrected.

No they haven't made any statements. LE has said very little in this case. But I think we can look at their behavior. Based on that, I think they don't believe that Lisa was abducted. MOO

 

[Whisperer]

Clothes that were described what Lisa was last seen wearing were taken from the house by LE. Her blanket, comforter, toys and TAPE were also removed on the search. A cadaver dog hits inside the house and the boys heard a "Clicking" sound.

By these pieces of evidence, it would be likely the child died in the house, her clothes were removed and she was wrapped using masking tape. The perp/s most likely didn't want to leave anything with her that could tie them to the house.

If anyone cares to say an intruder did this, so be it. It appears that the "intruder" didn't want to take any clothes (as her described clothing was found), blankets or bottles for Lisa. It also appears this fact doesn't seem to upset DB as she told us on Dr. Phil "Nobody steals a baby to harm her". Okiedokiethen.