IDI: Whats your problem?

[Holdontoyourhat]

Really? Certainly?

I had a similar flashlight that no longer worked. I bashed it repeatedly on a large stone, trying to break the stone. Never could break it, and the flashlight never did "fragment". It did show marks on it from the rough rock tho. I don't think JB's head would create similar scratch marks, tho.

Hmm. Let me see this ones a toughy. Flashlights are made of thin sheet metal stampings, spinnings, some aluminum, some steel, always cheap and softer metals. These are going to be easily dented when struck something like a skull or your stone.

Unless this was a machined aluminum (expensive) flashlight. Even then there would be marks, blood, even tissue and forensics would find them post haste. This type of aluminum is always anodized and the anodize scratches thru and shows marks very easily.

Maybe the conditions of your test are up for some further discussion e.g. brand name, velocity, which end, stone material, microscopic examinations, etc.

 

[Tadpole12]

Thanks, Tadpole!

Given what you know about the flashlight, how do you think it fits into the scenario, given that it seemed to have been used in some way?

Hey OL.

Well I know that one blow with intent can cave in a head. ST states that the sound of the blow would have made a loud crack.
The maglite my friend has is coated with impact resistent coating.

It has a rep for being a flashlight and a headbashing weapon.


The maglite can fit into many the scenarios, I can't say.
IDI wise, the perps used what was available.

 

[WHITEFANG]

Who is to say? I guess it depends on how quickly one shifts into panic mode and then into CYA mode.

It might also depend on just how enraged you were during the event itself, and how long that rage and resentment lingered.

One minute and 33 seconds most likely. Yes, it would depend how fast one could shift modes. You bet. This loving, compassionate, fine mother switched modes from murderous rage, to how can we save her life panic, to CYA is less than three minutes, most likely. I have never seen any parents of a child they just accidentally killed by smashing in her head to require more than 2:55 "two minutes 55 seconds," ever. What would be the point of taking any longer than that?

Got to get my makeup off and put it back on before I call the cops tomorrow. Got to look Miss West Virginia gorgeous for them fellas. Darn, I probably should wash my hair and do my nails, too. Oh hell. John, get your fat butt in here!

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Hey OL.

The maglite can fit into many the scenarios, I can't say.
IDI wise, the perps used what was available.

Not so, TP.

Intruder perps can use not only what was available (pen and paper) but can also bring more important, less common items with them (cord and black duct tape).

RDI has this achilles heel of not being able to source the cord to its owner. This is a stark, glaring omission from RDI's evidence locker.

Hey OL.

Well I know that one blow with intent can cave in a head. ST states that the sound of the blow would have made a loud crack.

ST is probably wrong. The right blunt instrument would thud. It didn't have to be a baseball bat or flashlight (although there was a baseball bat found outside, right?).

 

[WHITEFANG]

Lets also change your wording a wee bit to "when you have caused the death of your child", and see how it impacts the aftermath.

1. Let's be precise? She took her and whipped her body in an explosion of rage and smashed her head into the toilet, sink, door handle, etc.

2. She took a flashlight out of the drawer and gripped it with all her might. She swung it into the air and behind her back as quickly and as far as she could and she cracked that sucker over her head so hard she collapsed right there and appeared dead.

3. Most any thing you want that smashes hard bone, cracking it and pushing a hammer head size portion of it into the brain.

How does that impact the aftermath?

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

One minute and 33 seconds most likely. Yes, it would depend how fast one could shift modes. You bet. This loving, compassionate, fine mother switched modes from murderous rage, to how can we save her life panic, to CYA is less than three minutes, most likely. I have never seen any parents of a child they just accidentally killed by smashing in her head to require more than 2:55 "two minutes 55 seconds," ever. What would be the point of taking any longer than that?

Got to get my makeup off and put it back on before I call the cops tomorrow. Got to look Miss West Virginia gorgeous for them fellas. Darn, I probably should wash my hair and do my nails, too. Oh hell. John, get your fat butt in here!

WF you're the best.

Lucky enough for RDI that this crime happened during a large unaccounted for gap in time. It allows the imagination to run free, speculating on every sordid possibility from bathroom habits to pedophelia. Interesting when nobody really knows what happened for most of that time.

 

[WHITEFANG]

You don't know that for a fact. And neither do we. The physics of that act has to be looked at with regard to the weight of whoever wielded the flashlight, the thickness of a child's skull, the arc of the swing. I doubt there was more than one impact. The coroner would have noted it.
But one of the forensic specialists (it was either Spitz or Wecht) did a test with an identical flashlight and found that it made a perfect replication of the rectangular depressed fracture.

So, it was the flashlight! All this time. Methinks something is rotting in The Ramsey Home.

 

[OneLove]

One minute and 33 seconds most likely. Yes, it would depend how fast one could shift modes. You bet. This loving, compassionate, fine mother switched modes from murderous rage, to how can we save her life panic, to CYA is less than three minutes, most likely. I have never seen any parents of a child they just accidentally killed by smashing in her head to require more than 2:55 "two minutes 55 seconds," ever. What would be the point of taking any longer than that?

Got to get my makeup off and put it back on before I call the cops tomorrow. Got to look Miss West Virginia gorgeous for them fellas. Darn, I probably should wash my hair and do my nails, too. Oh hell. John, get your fat butt in here!

Are you choosing to ignore that most people think PR had on the same makeup, hairdo, and manicure that she did the day/night before?

 

[WHITEFANG]

No, but thanks anyway. Really, I'm an S.O.B. To be critical of theories that condemn a woman to hell when they loved her and felt for her and had compassion for her. How dare I suggest you could have fooled me. I am a terrible sod.

It is her loyal following, you know, those clinical therapists, M.D.s in Psychiatric Medicine? It is they who should take the credit for that counter-intuitive diagnoses of UMI. What a beauty. I'm sure Patsy would have been grateful and thrilled.

No, they deserve all the credit.

Just ask them to define BPD!

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

So, it was the flashlight! All this time. Methinks something is rotting in The Ramsey Home.

LA and JR together had prevented a bad situation from becoming even worse.

 

[DeeDee249]

No, but thanks anyway. Really, I'm an S.O.B. To be critical of theories that condemn a woman to hell when they loved her and felt for her and had compassion for her. How dare I suggest you could have fooled me. I am a terrible sod.

It was her loyal following, you know, those clinical therapists, M.D.s in Psychiatric medicine? It is they who should take the credit for that counter-intuitive diagnoses of UMI. What a beauty. I'm sure Patsy would have been grateful and thrilled with that designation. No, they deserve all the credit. Just ask them to define BPD!

Didn't love her. Do feel compassion. And she's not in hell.

 

[joeskidbeck]

It seems that we, of the RDI, are thought to take what evidence we like, but throw the rest out. Right?
If you really believe that an intruder brought his own cord and tape and counted on using the Ramsey's flashlight to navigate a house known to have 25 rooms, you absolutely cannot accuse RDI's of this anymore.
He KNEW where the flashlight was kept in the Ramsey home (heck, even that they had one). Patsy went from yes, it's John's to I don't remember if it is or not.
He KNEW that they didn't have cord and tape. Patsy knew they had tape, but it was clear.
He KNEW that they had (and where to find) the ransom note paper as well as the utensil.
He KNEW where that basement room was.
I gotta stop this. It's starting to sound like it just about had to be someone who lived in this home.

 

[DeeDee249]

So, it was the flashlight! All this time. Methinks something is rotting in The Ramsey Home.

You betcha!

By the way, did you miss the "neither do we part?" In the absence of any forensic evidence from the flashlight (JB's hair, prints from who may have hit her with it, etc.) we can't be sure it was the murder weapon. But I think it was.

 

[Tadpole12]

Not so, TP.

Intruder perps can use not only what was available (pen and paper) but can also bring more important, less common items with them (cord and black duct tape).

RDI has this achilles heel of not being able to source the cord to its owner. This is a stark, glaring omission from RDI's evidence locker.



ST is probably wrong. The right blunt instrument would thud. It didn't have to be a baseball bat or flashlight (although there was a baseball bat found outside, right?).

Hey Hotyh.

sure, IDI wise, the perp brought the rope and the tape, (or stole the last roll of the Ramseys tape). He cleaned the scene of his traces.

ST uses effect? in his book.

yep, bat in the yard

 

[WHITEFANG]

Are you choosing to ignore that most people think PR had on the same makeup, hairdo, and manicure that she did the day/night before?

Well. That does it.


She did it!


Goodness! Thanks. I've been wandering in the darkness lo these many years and I never saw that.
Thank you. Thank you.

HOTYH, I'm comin to getcha!

 

[WHITEFANG]

I'm trying to recover my sight. I've been blinded by the Damascus Light. She did it. She did it. She picked up a flashlight and smashed her head in with it.

UhOo.

Wait a second ladies and gentlemen. This would mean it was premeditated! It can't be. My sight is returning. I want to go blind again. What a rush. Tell me it ain't so, Joe.

 

[WHITEFANG]

Didn't love her. Do feel compassion. And she's not in hell.

Compassion?

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Well. That does it.


She did it!


Goodness! Thanks. I've been wandering in the darkness lo these many years and I never saw that.
Thank you. Thank you.

HOTYH, I'm comin to getcha!

Hey I wonder, if she did it, is there a scenario thats NOT sordid? IOW a scenario without pedophilia or bathroom habits? You know, something NOT sensational or crass that probably wouldn't sell as well?

 

[WHITEFANG]

"Patsy went from yes, it's John's to I don't remember if it is or not."

Can you tell me where you found this?
Thanks

 

[OneLove]

Hey I wonder, if she did it, is there a scenario thats NOT sordid? IOW a scenario without pedophilia or bathroom habits? You know, something NOT sensational or crass that probably wouldn't sell as well?

People hurtiing other people in a moment of anger is not very sensational. Nor is it crass. Nor is it about bathroom habits. Being about bathroom habits would put the onus on poor little JonBenet, wouldn't it?

It is, rather, about a woman who might have lost her temper. Maybe she lost her temper because she was stressed to the max, ill, tired, and couldn't deal with her daughter's trying issues. Maybe that involved her toilet training issues. Maybe it didn't.

I feel sure that NO ONE is speculating any scenarios because they are the sensational. But I have seen alot of defensiveness from certain folks whenever the scenario involves a less-than-picture-perfect mother and father in this case. There is alot of undue insistence that these particular people could NEVER lose their tempers. THAT's what I would call sensationalist and crass.