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[Nuisanceposter]

Anyone have any thoughts on my post?

(P)sycho talking crazy? I don't know about anyone else, but in my opinion, Patsy comes off as sounding not only completely self-absorbed but loonier than a lab monkey in that passage, desperately trying to find some explanation for her daughter's death that will save her from herself. I find it particularly disturbing that she's going on and on and on about sacrifice and death and makes no mention whatsoever of any concern for her daughter. She's decided JB was a sacrifice that God wanted and is okay with that, because God is right there to comfort her. Christians like Patsy, who turn it into a religion that serves them instead of them serving God, are what's wrong with Christianity today.

Toaster, I like the way you go ahead and just speak your mind.

I'd really like to know why Patsy's medical records would be held back, other than there's something there her attys don't want getting out - like her history of being a nutjob who needs but isn't getting help for all her issues. I'd really like to know just what life was like in the Paugh household where Patsy grew up as the favorite, and how that played into her role as wife and mother.

 

[UKGuy]

Anyone have any thoughts on my post?

Toltec,

If Patsy was mentally ill, then the text you quoted was a clever piece of rhetoric, imo, its less about the color than introducing the context of religion.

Others might suggest Patsy is simply rationalising a tragic event and attempting to interpret prior events into a religious framework?

Thats how it comes over to me.


Also if Patsy was so mentally ill, and this is possible, I know that mental illness can be hidden in families behind a facade of conservative appearance, why did John seek to go along with the staging and subsequent collusion?


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[Solace]

The color purple is also that of Royalty and I think Patsy's such a nut case that subconciously Patsy thought she was a Queen and wasn't going to let her kingdom crumble by JB blabbing about John molesting her so she and John did what they had to to keep their Kingdom from crumbling.

Toaster: I don't know that I would say Patsy is mentally ill. I think her stress level was overwhelming - just the time of year alone, the amount of visiting they were doing - the parties they had (and not small ones by any means), the pageants that Patsy kept going alone are stressful). She had cancer and the last surgery on her was incredible - this woman is strong. She is capable of incredible strength. I think she is also capable of incredible rage.

Might characterize her as disturbed in a sense (just because of the pageants and how detrimental I think they are for children). But others see her as fine.

 

[coloradokares]

Toltec,

If Patsy was mentally ill, then the text you quoted was a clever piece of rhetoric, imo, its less about the color than introducing the context of religion.

Others might suggest Patsy is simply rationalising a tragic event and attempting to interpret prior events into a religious framework?

Thats how it comes over to me.


Also if Patsy was so mentally ill, and this is possible, I know that mental illness can be hidden in families behind a facade of conservative appearance, why did John seek to go along with the staging and subsequent collusion?


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John frankly imho would not have wanted to raise Burke alone. Also if he felt it was accidental would he want the damage to Access Graphics subsid of Lockheed, also Patsy had cancer would he want to see her die in prison of cancer for an accident. Nope staging was the only possible way. And here is the chilling part. It worked?

 

[coloradokares]

Toaster: I don't know that I would say Patsy is mentally ill. I think her stress level was overwhelming - just the time of year alone, the amount of visiting they were doing - the parties they had (and not small ones by any means), the pageants that Patsy kept going alone are stressful). She had cancer and the last surgery on her was incredible - this woman is strong. She is capable of incredible strength. I think she is also capable of incredible rage.

Might characterize her as disturbed in a sense (just because of the pageants and how detrimental I think they are for children). But others see her as fine.

Solace I, like you have an opinion and let me share it incase you have not seen it pror. I think Patsy can appear fine even better than fine, charming brilliant and a supermom. While you peel back that facade you will find chaos of the home. It was always about credit for doing it. Being the leader the showpiece and the charm. Behind the scenes it'd of taken two maids a nanny and a personal PR team to make it all come together harmoniosly Thankfully she had the money. But I think I recognize from all accounts of people who actually knew them. But the things behind the scenes. Maybe Borderline Personality disorder and Bipolar. When riding high they are brillian. Mega JonBenet fits that like a glove. But for as charming as Patsy could be and she was honeysuckle off the vine....... she could be a spit fire in a split second. Bipolar. I have seen it in my own family. Brilliant noteworthy even. Then knock out the softball coach. And master manipulators. Add a whimsey of Narcissism. Its a train wreck heading somewhere. I know they say she was on certain meds for depression and anxiety for cancer treatment. What if it was more? To my knowledge Patsy's medical reports were not acquired. She is gone now. But with Mary Lacey at the helm I don't think I'll hold my breath as we wait to see if they will get them. If so was it ever properly diagnosed? Or treated medication wise by symptoms? But the elements when you listen and read about Patsy make someone who has seen it up close ....wonder...
This is only my opinion?

 

[Solace]

Solace I, like you have an opinion and let me share it incase you have not seen it pror. I think Patsy can appear fine even better than fine, charming brilliant and a supermom. While you peel back that facade you will find chaos of the home. It was always about credit for doing it. Being the leader the showpiece and the charm. Behind the scenes it'd of taken two maids a nanny and a personal PR team to make it all come together harmoniosly Thankfully she had the money. But I think I recognize from all accounts of people who actually knew them. But the things behind the scenes. Maybe Borderline Personality disorder and Bipolar. When riding high they are brillian. Mega JonBenet fits that like a glove. But for as charming as Patsy could be and she was honeysuckle off the vine....... she could be a spit fire in a split second. Bipolar. I have seen it in my own family. Brilliant noteworthy even. Then knock out the softball coach. And master manipulators. Add a whimsey of Narcissism. Its a train wreck heading somewhere. I know they say she was on certain meds for depression and anxiety for cancer treatment. What if it was more? To my knowledge Patsy's medical reports were not acquired. She is gone now. But with Mary Lacey at the helm I don't think I'll hold my breath as we wait to see if they will get them. If so was it ever properly diagnosed? Or treated medication wise by symptoms? But the elements when you listen and read about Patsy make someone who has seen it up close ....wonder...
This is only my opinion?

Hi Colorado. Nice to see you again.

I think that probably 99% of the population is walking around with bipolar disorder in one form or another. If each one of us walked into a psych's office, a great number would come away with medication for bi-polar disorder. Doesn't mean we are nuts, just "a little bit out of whack".

So it would not surprise me if she were to be diagnosed with that condition. But this is far from mentally disturbed - when I hear mentally disturbed, I think of someone who pretty much cannot form thoughts and is fairly paranoid, etc. Someone I would not want to be around.

I think she lost it that night and with the combination of the stress and the medication I WOULD BE MONEY SHE IS TAKING, and maybe a glass or two of wine and factor in EXHAUSTION, she lost it big time. I could see her losing it with JonBenet, who is use to getting what she wants.

 

[UKGuy]

John frankly imho would not have wanted to raise Burke alone. Also if he felt it was accidental would he want the damage to Access Graphics subsid of Lockheed, also Patsy had cancer would he want to see her die in prison of cancer for an accident. Nope staging was the only possible way. And here is the chilling part. It worked?

coloradokares,

Well that was one big risk to take was it not, how was John to know Patsy would not be arrested, and it would all fall apart?


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[coloradokares]

Hi Colorado. Nice to see you again.

I think that probably 99% of the population is walking around with bipolar disorder in one form or another. If each one of us walked into a psych's office, a great number would come away with medication for bi-polar disorder. Doesn't mean we are nuts, just "a little bit out of whack".

So it would not surprise me if she were to be diagnosed with that condition. But this is far from mentally disturbed - when I hear mentally disturbed, I think of someone who pretty much cannot form thoughts and is fairly paranoid, etc. Someone I would not want to be around.

I think she lost it that night and with the combination of the stress and the medication I WOULD BE MONEY SHE IS TAKING, and maybe a glass or two of wine and factor in EXHAUSTION, she lost it big time. I could see her losing it with JonBenet, who is use to getting what she wants.

So you don't think Bipolar is disturbed. Well hmmmm.... I'd have to write a book on it to explain what its like to have a loved one diagnosed with this disorder and the chaotic train wreck that is left in its wake. Trust me I think your right that any number of us could go to our own personal physicians and get valium. Not the same thing. Bipolar demands its everyone else they are fine add bpd and like I say recipe for disaster. It is a serious mental illness based in brain chemistry and carries the highest suicidal rate next to Schizoaffective or Schizphernia. One bad thing is Bipolar is the new buzz. So lots of doctors are hanging it on patients that really are not. There is some really good research to be had out there. Or even Patty Dukes book. But I honestly in my own opinion think this is possible.

 

[coloradokares]

coloradokares,

Well that was one big risk to take was it not, how was John to know Patsy would not be arrested, and it would all fall apart?


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He was going to move heaven and eath to see to it that never happened. And he is goal and success oriented. He usually got what he wanted ...Add the Boulder factor .... well the rest is as they say history....

 

[UKGuy]

He was going to move heaven and eath to see to it that never happened. And he is goal and success oriented. He usually got what he wanted ...Add the Boulder factor .... well the rest is as they say history....

coloradokares,

You may be correct, but if Patsy was mentally ill, then John could have blamed it all on this, he had a get-out-of-jail-card, but as you suggest he opted for collusion, and a cover up!


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[Solace]

So you don't think Bipolar is disturbed. Well hmmmm.... I'd have to write a book on it to explain what its like to have a loved one diagnosed with this disorder and the chaotic train wreck that is left in its wake. Trust me I think your right that any number of us could go to our own personal physicians and get valium. Not the same thing. Bipolar demands its everyone else they are fine add bpd and like I say recipe for disaster. It is a serious mental illness based in brain chemistry and carries the highest suicidal rate next to Schizoaffective or Schizphernia. One bad thing is Bipolar is the new buzz. So lots of doctors are hanging it on patients that really are not. There is some really good research to be had out there. Or even Patty Dukes book. But I honestly in my own opinion think this is possible.

Patty Duke had manic depression, is that the same as bi-polar? I know that wreaks havoc on everyone. But is very treatable. Bi-polar I am not so sure about.

One bad thing is Bipolar is the new buzz. So lots of doctors are hanging it on patients that really are not. Then maybe you agree with me on this one. Colorado, I am quite positive that a good portion of my family is "nuts" and they are not coming back. But you would not know it if you just met them. I would have to give you some time with them. A week should do it or a day or two.

My point is that most people today are walking around with major problems. Disturbed to me, I would liken disturbed to schizophrenia. That is disturbed. The other we can live with. Not very well, but it can be done.

 

[Solace]

coloradokares,

You may be correct, but if Patsy was mentally ill, then John could have blamed it all on this, he had a get-out-of-jail-card, but as you suggest he opted for collusion, and a cover up!


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Maybe he actually loved her. But then again, he did get her a separate lawyer (Steve Thomas says, just in case). Maybe he is willing to go so far with this, but just in case, he does have a lawyer.

 

[coloradokares]

coloradokares,

You may be correct, but if Patsy was mentally ill, then John could have blamed it all on this, he had a get-out-of-jail-card, but as you suggest he opted for collusion, and a cover up!


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Perhaps as a trade off I wont tell about your problems with temper if you don't reveal you think I have molested our daughter.....

 

[coloradokares]

Perhaps as a trade off..I won't discuss if you don't discuss other issues....

As bizarre as it might be. Maybe he loved her ........honestly just loved her and felt like in some way he was responsible to for not being there more for not seeing how stressed out the situation had become...or just simply he loved his wife and his own life and lifestyle enough. Till John tells us we will never know. Would we know then? Patsy is not here to tell her side. Burke is not speaking at all that anyone knows of.

 

[coloradokares]

Patty Duke had manic depression, is that the same as bi-polar? I know that wreaks havoc on everyone. But is very treatable. Bi-polar I am not so sure about.

One bad thing is Bipolar is the new buzz. So lots of doctors are hanging it on patients that really are not. Then maybe you agree with me on this one. Colorado, I am quite positive that a good portion of my family is "nuts" and they are not coming back. But you would not know it if you just met them. I would have to give you some time with them. A week should do it or a day or two.

My point is that most people today are walking around with major problems. Disturbed to me, I would liken disturbed to schizophrenia. That is disturbed. The other we can live with. Not very well, but it can be done.

BiPolar is the new term for Manic Depressive. Yes. And it is treatable only if they stay on medications. But the miss the mania the high the brilliance. Even if when they cycle down.

Broken lives relationships and crazy making for a steady lifestyle. Suicide is rampant with the Manic Depressive/ Bipolars. Add a few other personality disorders or Psychotic Episodes and yes even homicidal rage incidents take place or things like the one who drowned her kids in the bathtub...... BiPolar is one very very complex issue. Mostly its divided in to those who are of harm to themselves. Those who are harmful to others especially if they decide some people do not have the right to live.... and those who exibit both tendencies.....There are few true Bipolars that have not developed other personality disorders along the way.

 

[Solace]

As bizarre as it might be. Maybe he loved her ........honestly just loved her and felt like in some way he was responsible to for not being there more for not seeing how stressed out the situation had become...or just simply he loved his wife and his own life and lifestyle enough. Till John tells us we will never know. Would we know then? Patsy is not here to tell her side. Burke is not speaking at all that anyone knows of.

Doesn't sound bizarre to me Colorado. Patsy is very very charasmatic. She is very strong. She is not someone to be dropped and tossed away lightly. I can see him saying I can't leave her on her own like this. I know it was an accident, what good will it do to send her to prison.

 

[Eagle1]

(P)

Christians like Patsy, who turn it into a religion that serves them instead of them serving God, are what's wrong with Christianity today.

Well, you're right about that, NP.

There's all sorts of ways to do it, too. Not just sacrificing someone, and, hey, everyone, I've been here all along and didn't read all that extra, that we'd just like to be true because it would so easily solve a complicated case. We have to stick to what's definitely known. "Calls for speculation of the witness", as they might say in a court case. I'm tired of waiting too, know how you feel.

Somebody made a flat statement above that nobody was home but the Ramseys. Sorry, have to disagree because that's just jumping to conclusions. We don't know that. at all. I'm tired of waiting for the answer too, but we still have to wait till something else is known.

 

[BBB167893]

Also if Patsy was so mentally ill, and this is possible, I know that mental illness can be hidden in families behind a facade of conservative appearance, why did John seek to go along with the staging and subsequent collusion?

Has anyone ever heard of shared psychosis?

Just spitballing here. A shared psychosis is where one partner in a relationship is mentally ill and the other is so devoted to them, they start to suffer from it too. Let's say that I see little green men (I hope Don Bradley isn't reading this!). My girlfriend loves me so much she sees them too.

 

[Ames]

Has anyone ever heard of shared psychosis?

Just spitballing here. A shared psychosis is where one partner in a relationship is mentally ill and the other is so devoted to them, they start to suffer from it too. Let's say that I see little green men (I hope Don Bradley isn't reading this!). My girlfriend loves me so much she sees them too.

Awwwww....thats so SWEET! Sharing is the polite thing to do....

Seriously....I have heard of that before...you could be onto something....

 

[Solace]

Has anyone ever heard of shared psychosis?

Just spitballing here. A shared psychosis is where one partner in a relationship is mentally ill and the other is so devoted to them, they start to suffer from it too. Let's say that I see little green men (I hope Don Bradley isn't reading this!). My girlfriend loves me so much she sees them too.

No, but I am sure my family has it.