If Heterophobia Was Real - A Short Film on Bullying

[TrackerSam]

.Everyone can suffer regardless of their race or identity but nevertheless bullying and discrimination of certain groups of people sometimes have a great deal of overlap and eliminating that aspect from the discussions also eliminates some possible remedies for the bullying many people face.

JMO but if this video makes people think about the bullying that LGBT students may suffer it does not harm the cause of straight students that are also being bullied.

There is overlap. But sexual discrimination of itself, does not equal bullying.
Bullying requires confrontation IMO. I don't think the video, based on a fantasy about 'what if', we can do 'what ifs' all day long, it proves nothing, it's too easy and conveniant, a strawman argument, easy to argue what doesn't exist, and doesn't make people think of bullies. It makes people think of sexual discrimination.

 

[Karmady]

There is overlap. But sexual discrimination of itself, does not equal bullying.
Bullying requires confrontation IMO. I don't think the video, based on a fantasy about 'what if', we can do 'what ifs' all day long, it proves nothing, it's too easy and conveniant, a strawman argument, easy to argue what doesn't exist, and doesn't make people think of bullies. It makes people think of sexual discrimination.

Yes. And the title says as much. Not bullying.../heterophobia. We don't chalk up the bullying of the chubby, nerdy, unattractive (the list goes on) to "phobias" or their bullying to a "fear" of those groups. jmo

 

[Donjeta]

There is overlap. But sexual discrimination of itself, does not equal bullying.
Bullying requires confrontation IMO. I don't think the video, based on a fantasy about 'what if', we can do 'what ifs' all day long, it proves nothing, it's too easy and conveniant, a strawman argument, easy to argue what doesn't exist, and doesn't make people think of bullies. It makes people think of sexual discrimination.

There's no harm done if some people are made to rethink sexual discrmination either.

A strawman argument against what?
I'm not sure what you want the film to 'prove', exactly. It's a fictional video.

But it was good of you to bring up strawmen because while you're probably right and it doesn't solve the problems of all the ostracized and shunned and bullied people everywhere in the world in a single shot and fails to conclusively prove that the problems caused by homophobia are exactly the same as bullying in every other context, I think it's all strawman arguments against the film because it probably never set out to do any of that and it would be absurd to claim anyone could anyway.

.I still haven't watched it (probably I should, before arguing, eh... ) but it sounds like the filmmakers wanted to make people realize that if they were treated like **** for their own sexuality it would feel terrible and it's hard to see anything to argue against in that.

Putting oneself in another person's shoes is a very useful mental exercise that should imo be promoted whenever possible because if one gets in the habit one may eventually realize that being treated like **** for one's weight, hobbies, appearance etc. is not cool either.

 

[michmi]

I found it boring and I felt totally unable to relate to it. I also have to say that the gay issue(s) isn't something that's relevant in my life so maybe that's why I can't relate. I also admit to finding it annoying to be asked to feel something I just don't feel.

 

[TrackerSam]

There's no harm done if some people are made to rethink sexual discrmination either.

A strawman argument against what?
I'm not sure what you want the film to 'prove', exactly. It's a fictional video.

But it was good of you to bring up strawmen because while you're probably right and it doesn't solve the problems of all the ostracized and shunned and bullied people everywhere in the world in a single shot and fails to conclusively prove that the problems caused by homophobia are exactly the same as bullying in every other context, I think it's all strawman arguments against the film because it probably never set out to do any of that and it would be absurd to claim anyone could anyway.

.I still haven't watched it (probably I should, before arguing, eh... ) but it sounds like the filmmakers wanted to make people realize that if they were treated like **** for their own sexuality it would feel terrible and it's hard to see anything to argue against in that.

Putting oneself in another person's shoes is a very useful mental exercise that should imo be promoted whenever possible because if one gets in the habit one may eventually realize that being treated like **** for one's weight, hobbies, appearance etc. is not cool either.

While they don't realize it, they're saying, if the shoe was on the other foot, homosexuals would be the bullies. So bullying is inevitable? The whole supposition is preposterous since, were that the case, none of us would even be here.
The majority of people will agree with them, so they're just preaching to the choir. The bully's mind and motives won't change one iota.
Anytime you you insert 'what if', it's a strawman. Argue what is, not what if.

 

[HMSHood]

I think that many things should be eliminated from the discussion of bullying, ie it isn't a racial issue it isnt an LBGAY issue, EVERYONE is the same and can suffer at the hands of bullying, no matter their gender, race or proclivities. Defining people by what they choose to do in the bedroom is a huge problem. So eliminate that element and discuss bullying. It happens to many people no matter what their gender race or how they define themselves.

Exactly.

It's like racism. Only whites can be racist. Black on black crime - no biggy. Black on white crime - no biggy. White on black crime - :scared: call Jackson and Sharpton and alert the media. :scared:
Homosexuals can be bullys too. Just watch 'Project Runway'. This thread is about sexual discrimination and not about bullying IMO.

There is Andrew Cunanan. He was known to be a bully and abusive to his mother.

Somewhat related. Lori Drew got upset that Megan Meier called her daughter, Sarah a "Lesbian". One of Phoebe Prince's bullies, Flannery Mullins, had a Lesbian mother. In Drew's case, it is what triggered it. In Mullins's case it was more due to envy that Prince was dating Austin Renaud. I suspect that they have deep seated self-hatred issues and repressing them.