If Misty were to lead LE to Haleigh....

  • #141
Problem as I see it Ron C is being faulted due to the fact within 24 hours after the 911 call was made Ronald Cummings stated on NG's show Haleigh was abducted from his bed..Of course he changed the story when he and Misty were inteviewed by GVS three days later and claimed she was sleeping on her toddler mattress and even proclaimed to high heaven he knew exactly where those beds were located that night.. eventhough he claims he was at work..
That all took place in February, now lets see what he said on the NG show on March 16 when he was asked HOW the story got so bassackwards..
In this video you can tell he is setting up Misty to take tha fall...And they had only been married for five days...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83RvM4gXrOU


Now, lets move forward to August 2009. when Ronald Cummings and his family started revving up that bus to run over Misty and the Croslins...
After Misty's LVA Ronald Cummings stated to Tim Miller the bed was never slept in that night.
One question..IF when he supposedly got home from work the morning of February10, 2009 at 3:27 and noticed the bed was never slept in that night WHY in the HELL-O didn't he say so at that time instead of waiting over six months later to say anything...Does his inconsistencies, manipulative tactics and his lies make him a suspect? In my book...YES....JMHO

Agreed.

My sense was that the story evolved over time to address pertinent questions that poked holes with the focus on protecting Ron, not Misty.

We started with HaLeigh in the same bed but then there were questions on how Misty was not disturbed by the 'abductor' so HaLeigh was moved to the other mattress in the story. As the focus kept on shifting onto Ron new 'facts' would emerge, such as the bed not being slept in, no washing soap, etc.

The goal was always to keep the focus on Misty who knew little so could not crack and .... Ron was at werk (as if the timeline is firm)!
 
  • #142
ITA kant! the thing about Ron that makes me angry is when it is convenient for him to answer the question he does, when he feels threatend by a question his reply has always been "i don't know, i was at work" that just makes me so :furious: :furious:

how very convenient for Mr. Cummings

JMO

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Exactly! Very frustrating but a successful strategy. Between Ron playing the grieving Father with a missing child, temper tantrums and, refusing to answer Ron successfully played LE and the media.

You are right that Ron would answer certain questions and then if he was uncomfortable he'd have a tantrum, call it lies or, state he does not know 'he was at work'!!!!!!

How do you penetrate that defense, especially when the other partner, Misty is being closely controlled and not knowing all?

Ron was just buying time until the heat died down and then refused to cooperate with LE as they pieced things together and got forensics back ... Ron walked away and moved on with his life hoping that this would go away.
 
  • #143
IF TRUE......That Ron picked up Haleigh that day at the bus stop...

I believe that whoever was in the car with Ron....the day he picked up Haleigh at the bus stop.....was the one babysitting the kids....and if wasn't Misty....then WHO WAS IT????? WHO WOULD IT HAVE BEEN...???? go down the list...imo

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Completely agree.

Upthread Chelsea comments that Ron was unusually un-friendly and ignoring them and whoever was in the car did not acknowledge them either. That speaks volumes, to me, that Ron was not happy and had a 'parent' in the car.

Chelsea also states that HaLeigh peered into the car and was happy/thrilled to see who it was ... so I surmise it is either Gma Sykes or TN. Every kid is thrilled to see their Gma since they are less strict and more fun!!!!

My guess is Gma Sykes and something horrible accidently happened on her watch related to Ron's drugs and that is why everyone SO MUCH wants to protect her ... at least Ron, Misty likely does not know all.

That is why LE wanted to find someone who would prove Misty was not in the MH ... because she was AWOL.
 
  • #144
In re the dock search and how Misty found out about it:

In one recorded conversation between Lindsy and Tommy, Lindsy says "Misty's lawyer wants to talk to your lawyer." And Tommy responds with, "What does Misty's lawyer want with my lawyer?" (both are paraphrased)

Lindsy never answered him and the subject drifted to something else in that annoying way that their conversations often did just when it started to get interesting.

Then...around the time of the dock search/shortly after, Werter was appearing on TV trying to sell Tommy's Joe did it theory. Werter pointed out that Misty and Tommy were telling the same story about Joe, and that since they were both in jail and "they have had no communication, no chance to collaborate" on this story...it must be true.

Even though Misty and Tommy may have had few opportunities to collaborate after being arrested, their attorneys were free to speak with each other about anything and everything.

IMO, their attorneys conversing with each other is how MC and TC both knew what the other was going to say about Joe, and it is how Misty found out the dock was going to be searched.

JMO.
 
  • #145
Well, if Misty changed her story, why didn't he say, 'Woa, back up here'. That should've made him hightail it away from her & take his suspicions to the cops. but he did the opposite. married her & cut off cooperation with LE. I don't think Ron is gullible or stupid.

Your comment Dodie made me think about the video posted by one of our own here at websleuths.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWcCHu3zsVw
 
  • #146
In re the dock search and how Misty found out about it:

In one recorded conversation between Lindsy and Tommy, Lindsy says "Misty's lawyer wants to talk to your lawyer." And Tommy responds with, "What does Misty's lawyer want with my lawyer?" (both are paraphrased)

Lindsy never answered him and the subject drifted to something else in that annoying way that their conversations often did just when it started to get interesting.

Then...around the time of the dock search/shortly after, Werter was appearing on TV trying to sell Tommy's Joe did it theory. Werter pointed out that Misty and Tommy were telling the same story about Joe, and that since they were both in jail and "they have had no communication, no chance to collaborate" on this story...it must be true.

Even though Misty and Tommy may have had few opportunities to collaborate after being arrested, their attorneys were free to speak with each other about anything and everything.

IMO, their attorneys conversing with each other is how MC and TC both knew what the other was going to say about Joe, and it is how Misty found out the dock was going to be searched.

JMO.

Good reminder ... so this seems more like some 'creative defense' to weave a story that JO did it and use the dock, because there had been conversations about fishing there and gators ... so HaLeigh would not be found (because she was not there).

A LOT of work was done to try to put a plausible story together that made both Misty and Tommy victims to both take the heat off them, about HaLeigh and seek some reduced sentence thanks to cooperation.

It seems that LE are not as dumb as they were played and did NOT buy into this story totally, they had evidence that debunked it but maybe some parts fit. Even Tommy debunked it because he did not stick to the script and tried to signal to Hank Sr it was a ruse.

It is still interesting though that Misty signaled to GmaS and both GmaS and TN responded quickly to the area. Hmmmm?

Also, I am not too sure who is worse ... JB in the Caylee case for his ethics and tactics or Werter and team ... if this was a prefabricated story by them.
 
  • #147
IF TRUE......That Ron picked up Haleigh that day at the bus stop...

I believe that whoever was in the car with Ron....the day he picked up Haleigh at the bus stop.....was the one babysitting the kids....and if wasn't Misty....then WHO WAS IT????? WHO WOULD IT HAVE BEEN...???? go down the list...imo
I vaguely remember an interview with Ron and TN on probably NG where they discussed who picked Haleigh up from the bus stop. I was a little confused at the time because I thought TN said she picked her up but Ron said he did. Do you remember that being discussed in any of the interviews? Personally, I think it is very possible it was TN in the car and she was going to go with Ron and Haleigh and go to Misty and make sure it was okay for her to babysit. jmo
 
  • #148
Good reminder ... so this seems more like some 'creative defense' to weave a story that JO did it and use the dock, because there had been conversations about fishing there and gators ... so HaLeigh would not be found (because she was not there).

A LOT of work was done to try to put a plausible story together that made both Misty and Tommy victims to both take the heat off them, about HaLeigh and seek some reduced sentence thanks to cooperation.

It seems that LE are not as dumb as they were played and did NOT buy into this story totally, they had evidence that debunked it but maybe some parts fit. Even Tommy debunked it because he did not stick to the script and tried to signal to Hank Sr it was a ruse.

It is still interesting though that Misty signaled to GmaS and both GmaS and TN responded quickly to the area. Hmmmm?

Also, I am not too sure who is worse ... JB in the Caylee case for his ethics and tactics or Werter and team ... if this was a prefabricated story by them.
If it was fabricated, I don't think Werter had a thing to do with it. Why would he participate in a frame up? Because this wasn't a late in the game, reasonable doubt story, this was a detailed who dun it. Joe. If it was a lie, Tommy was the liar. Werter would've had nothing to gain & everything to lose, by lying. The only thing Tommy had to gain, was to maybe take suspicion off of himself, & on to Joe...but he was in much better shape, legally speaking, before he came up with the story. unless...there's something we don't know about that missed detail Steve Brown discovered. If it pointed at Tommy, maybe he felt compelled to explain it away. I would speculate that Tommy's LDT questions might have pressured him, but since he claimed to have been asked only 1 question, I doubt it. IMO, he sounded like he was lying, but if he was, it seems like LE would've been all over him.
 
  • #149
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Completely agree.

Upthread Chelsea comments that Ron was unusually un-friendly and ignoring them and whoever was in the car did not acknowledge them either. That speaks volumes, to me, that Ron was not happy and had a 'parent' in the car.

Chelsea also states that HaLeigh peered into the car and was happy/thrilled to see who it was ... so I surmise it is either Gma Sykes or TN. Every kid is thrilled to see their Gma since they are less strict and more fun!!!!

My guess is Gma Sykes and something horrible accidently happened on her watch related to Ron's drugs and that is why everyone SO MUCH wants to protect her ... at least Ron, Misty likely does not know all.

That is why LE wanted to find someone who would prove Misty was not in the MH ... because she was AWOL.

Great points...

Also, I have lots of thoughts here NOW........so please bear with me.....

The A/C man.....Speaking for myself..I have not heard ANYTHING/READ anything he has said....but I am thinking this....

IF IT IS TRUE...that the A/C man arrived at Ron's to do some maintainance on the Unit....and NO ONE WAS home...MISTY WAS NOT THERE...and the A/C man had to call....( Misty?) and she CAME OVER...and let him have access to the unit...IF THAT IS TRUE...then the LE KNOWS she was not THERE..(at the time the A/C man arrived)....and she came over from SOMEWHERE ELSE....and also...(again...we do not know this..) the A/C man...may have seen her leave...after he was done...

IF THIS FACT IS TRUE....the LE have also this fact to carry weight to their opinion Misty was not home...PLUS the evidence in the MH the LE is saying that their opinion Misty was not there that evening...no dinner fixed, washing going on....SO..now I am thinking...Where are the kids??? Who has them?? Where did they take the kids to babysit them, if no evidence of meals.etc at Ron's...

My questions now becomes these....do anyone know...

What was the time the A/C came over to Ron's??
What time did Haleigh get off the bus??

IF the A/C man was at Ron's...Haleigh got off the bus....and there was NO ONE home at Ron's...and someone was babysitting the kids...after Ron went to work...IMO...the babysitter took the kids ELSEWHERE...not to Ron's....LE saying no evidence of meals, etc...and did not believe Misty's story she was there...

So, IMO, that leads me to think....Somebody else...NOT MISTY..was babysitting the kids...at they were not at Ron's....They took them somewhere else....and there was a tragic accident...on someone else's watch....LE said no evidence of a crime at Ron's....

IMO, the accident to Haleigh...happened somewhere else...and now they want Misty to follow a script to cover them....and say she was there all night

Any thoughts???....Or have I been following this case...wayyyyyyyyyyyy too long.?
my :twocents: and imo...

OR...Is this WHOLE story Misty told that day of the A/C completely a LIE????
 
  • #150
IF TRUE......That Ron picked up Haleigh that day at the bus stop...

I believe that whoever was in the car with Ron....the day he picked up Haleigh at the bus stop.....was the one babysitting the kids....and if wasn't Misty....then WHO WAS IT????? WHO WOULD IT HAVE BEEN...???? go down the list...imo

TN, no. I don't think she does kids for any length of time and I think whoever babysat did it for the whole time Misty was gone.

GGMS, No, those kids would run over her.

Crystal Cummings, Ron's sister is my bet.
 
  • #151
Whatever the story with the A/C guy ... it did not do much to support any theory that Misty was in the MH all evening ... else LE would NOT have made a public appeal for info on the whereabouts of Misty that evening.

I too believe that the kids were with someone else and whatever happened happened somewhere else and ... the MH just became the staging area because it was their home and ... was forensically clean.

That helped them in as much as covering for a crime but hurt them in terms of their was no evidence of Misty being there and doing the things she claimed.

Misty is not just weak on the story of how HaLeigh came up missing that night but ... basically the whole evening. Why? Why if just something happened to HaLeigh at some point was Misty so sketchy on the evening and is that what LE first picked up on, no forensics to support Misty's story the WHOLE evening.

My thinking is that either something happened to HaLeigh early on or they were never there in the MH otherwise Misty would have a strong recollection until the point HaLeigh went missing and Misty slept.
 
  • #152
TN, no. I don't think she does kids for any length of time and I think whoever babysat did it for the whole time Misty was gone.

GGMS, No, those kids would run over her.

Crystal Cummings, Ron's sister is my bet.

thanks for your input...

OK...good bet....IF TRUE....where would she have taken them...IF..she did not babysit them at Ron's...????

Did his sister live far from Ron's??? thanks so much....imo
 
  • #153
Whatever the story with the A/C guy ... it did not do much to support any theory that Misty was in the MH all evening ... else LE would NOT have made a public appeal for info on the whereabouts of Misty that evening.

I too believe that the kids were with someone else and whatever happened happened somewhere else and ... the MH just became the staging area because it was their home and ... was forensically clean.

That helped them in as much as covering for a crime but hurt them in terms of their was no evidence of Misty being there and doing the things she claimed.

Misty is not just weak on the story of how HaLeigh came up missing that night but ... basically the whole evening. Why? Why if just something happened to HaLeigh at some point was Misty so sketchy on the evening and is that what LE first picked up on, no forensics to support Misty's story the WHOLE evening.

My thinking is that either something happened to HaLeigh early on or they were never there in the MH otherwise Misty would have a strong recollection until the point HaLeigh went missing and Misty slept.

Isn't it interesting that they were wanting to know Misty's whereabouts, although that was a long time ago, but they never came out and asked if anyone had seen Ron Cummings that night other than at work and they would have asked for people to come forth that may have seen him..just like they did with Misty.

That speaks volumes to me. They know Ron was at work the entire time.

And they were having a hard time establishing a time alibi for Misty because it is hard to have an alibi when she was inside the home with Haleigh and Jr.

IMO
 
  • #154
Isn't it interesting that they were wanting to know Misty's whereabouts, although that was a long time ago, but they never came out and asked if anyone had seen Ron Cummings that night other than at work and they would have asked for people to come forth that may have seen him..just like they did with Misty.

That speaks volumes to me. They know Ron was at work the entire time.

And they were having a hard time establishing a time alibi for Misty because it is hard to have an alibi when she was inside the home with Haleigh and Jr.

IMO

What speaks volumes to me is the cops saying to Rons lawyer, unless they were with him all night that CAN'T clear him.

jmo
 
  • #155
Great points...

Also, I have lots of thoughts here NOW........so please bear with me.....

The A/C man.....Speaking for myself..I have not heard ANYTHING/READ anything he has said....but I am thinking this....

IF IT IS TRUE...that the A/C man arrived at Ron's to do some maintainance on the Unit....and NO ONE WAS home...MISTY WAS NOT THERE...and the A/C man had to call....( Misty?) and she CAME OVER...and let him have access to the unit...IF THAT IS TRUE...then the LE KNOWS she was not THERE..(at the time the A/C man arrived)....and she came over from SOMEWHERE ELSE....and also...(again...we do not know this..) the A/C man...may have seen her leave...after he was done...

IF THIS FACT IS TRUE....the LE have also this fact to carry weight to their opinion Misty was not home...PLUS the evidence in the MH the LE is saying that their opinion Misty was not there that evening...no dinner fixed, washing going on....SO..now I am thinking...Where are the kids??? Who has them?? Where did they take the kids to babysit them, if no evidence of meals.etc at Ron's...

My questions now becomes these....do anyone know...

What was the time the A/C came over to Ron's??
What time did Haleigh get off the bus??

IF the A/C man was at Ron's...Haleigh got off the bus....and there was NO ONE home at Ron's...and someone was babysitting the kids...after Ron went to work...IMO...the babysitter took the kids ELSEWHERE...not to Ron's....LE saying no evidence of meals, etc...and did not believe Misty's story she was there...

So, IMO, that leads me to think....Somebody else...NOT MISTY..was babysitting the kids...at they were not at Ron's....They took them somewhere else....and there was a tragic accident...on someone else's watch....LE said no evidence of a crime at Ron's....

IMO, the accident to Haleigh...happened somewhere else...and now they want Misty to follow a script to cover them....and say she was there all night

Any thoughts???....Or have I been following this case...wayyyyyyyyyyyy too long.?
my :twocents: and imo...

OR...Is this WHOLE story Misty told that day of the A/C completely a LIE????

Here's what Misty had to say about the A/C man....

This video is from Concerned Papa:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9tBJ_vGzRo
 
  • #156
If it was fabricated, I don't think Werter had a thing to do with it. Why would he participate in a frame up? Because this wasn't a late in the game, reasonable doubt story, this was a detailed who dun it. Joe. If it was a lie, Tommy was the liar. Werter would've had nothing to gain & everything to lose, by lying. The only thing Tommy had to gain, was to maybe take suspicion off of himself, & on to Joe...but he was in much better shape, legally speaking, before he came up with the story. unless...there's something we don't know about that missed detail Steve Brown discovered. If it pointed at Tommy, maybe he felt compelled to explain it away. I would speculate that Tommy's LDT questions might have pressured him, but since he claimed to have been asked only 1 question, I doubt it. IMO, he sounded like he was lying, but if he was, it seems like LE would've been all over him.

I am not sure about the two attorneys fabricating the entire dock story; that would be a bit too obvious. Since neither officially represented their client for Haleigh, it might not be as much an issue with ethics as it is an issue of each of their clients needing corroboration from the other and thus the attorneys may have honed the story into one they could both tell because, if they were both telling the same story, they corroborated each other. And Werter even stated that because they corroborated each other, "it must be true."

I do believe the attorneys could have at least been passing information to their clients about what the other was saying. I cannot ignore how the story came out initially saying Joe and Tommy went to the MH to steal Ron's guns and Misty was in collusion for a share in whatever profit was made off the guns.

But soon after that story was told, it occurred to one or both attorneys that, should Joe ever be arrested for Haleigh, MC and TC could both go down along with him because IF Haleigh died during the commission of a felony (even accidentally) it could mean a felony murder charge for all three, not just the one who caused Haleigh's death. IMO, in order to get around that pesky felony murder issue, Werter put a different spin on things: Misty was out of the equation and Tommy and Joe went there, not to steal, but to borrow a gun...

That way, if Joe were arrested, TC and MC would not be in a position for felony murder charges, since everyone would insist that the intent was not to steal, but to borrow. Borrowing is not a felony, so felony murder charges would not apply.

So, in a sense, I think the spiel routinely put out by attorneys is to some extent fabricated, at least in part. Defense attorneys will state as fact anything that casts doubt on the guilt of their client.

I believe the two attorneys were conversing and that if LE did not put the bug in Misty's ear about the dock search, her attorney did. As for why Misty wanted TN and GMS to know in advance about the dock search, I haven't a clue; she was in jail and they were hating on her by then, so I cannot imagine that Misty was trying to help TN/GMS out in any way.

All JMO.
 
  • #157
What speaks volumes to me is the cops saying to Rons lawyer, unless they were with him all night that CAN'T clear him.

jmo

Nope what speaks volumes to me is the police never came out and asked ANYONE to verify Ron's whereabouts that night. Not one time but they sure wanted to verify anything that substantiated Misty's alibi.

IMO
 
  • #158
Nope what speaks volumes to me is the police never came out and asked ANYONE to verify Ron's whereabouts that night. Not one time but they sure wanted to verify anything that substantiated Misty's alibi.

IMO

BBM - If this isnt a rumor, Link please.
 
  • #159
Nope what speaks volumes to me is the police never came out and asked ANYONE to verify Ron's whereabouts that night. Not one time but they sure wanted to verify anything that substantiated Misty's alibi.

IMO

To me that is simply explained by the simple fact that ... Ron would be on a mission working undercover and not mixing with folks ... whereas it was considered that Misty was at a party doing more drugs. Big difference in exposure.

LE were first trying to get to the bottom of Misty's whereabouts and her timeline so that was the focus, Ron was not so much a focus at that time.

Ron became more of a focus much later when results came in and LE wanted to further explore the phone records with Ron and Ron refused to cooperate ... for months. Hmmmm?

The dynamics had changed with LE by then and they were not seeking input or cooperation of the public and were not even talking to the media. They had some evidence and a theory and were pursuing it with Ron who had to be forced back to the table ... once Ron hired a criminal defense attorney.

Having said all of that, I am not too concerned whether Ron was 'in werk' all night for every moment or not at this time. We don't know what time HaLeigh died. We don't know what alibi he needs yet.

We do know that it was NOT a normal night that night for anyone and Ron and Misty were still arguing, with the kids impacted by the major domestic dispute.

We do know that Ron was un-characteristically late for work that night, Misty did not want to babysit and, Ron made his lateness up by working ~3 hours overtime.

We do know Ron stopped by the convenience store on the way home when something was up and initiated the 'script' too hastily.

We do know that LE asked Ron why it took him so long to get home, so where was he?

We all have more questions than answers and a LOT of those questions are about Ron so I'd be one of the last IMO to rush to Ron's defense and try to defend his timeline when we don't know what time Ron needs an alibi for.

The jury is still out on Ron and we should keep an open mind until someone is charged and ... found guilty BARD.
 
  • #160
Nope what speaks volumes to me is the police never came out and asked ANYONE to verify Ron's whereabouts that night. Not one time but they sure wanted to verify anything that substantiated Misty's alibi.

IMO

Yeah, but I am pretty sure the object and goal was for them to not tip off Ron they are on to him, what speaks volumes to me is that they told the public and said they were satisfied with Ronald being at work, and told his Lawyer behind closed doors another thing.

jmo
 

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