If Misty were to lead LE to Haleigh....

[bessie]

I still don't see where anything you've mentioned supports him actually knowing where anyone slept as opposed to him parroting what Misty told him and then retold him and everyone else. You see this as proof that he orchestrated everything. I see it as an indication that he believed everything Misty was telling him until he learned otherwise from LE or other sources.

My_tee_mouse, I was inclined to excuse Ron for mixing up the facts about who slept in which bed(s). It's reasonable that in the midst of the excitement he misunderstood what Misty said about the sleeping arrangements. Misty herself said Haleigh was sleeping in her bed. Then the story changed, and it was said Haleigh was sleeping on a separate bed in the same room. I'm pretty sure that was for DCF's account. I don't know, but I could overlook the discrepancies, and I did until Ron told Tim Miller that the bed wasn't slept in at all. If Ron walked in the house and saw the bed made, why in the he!! did he go along with Misty's story that she, if not the children, were asleep in his bed? And let's not forget, he also told Tim that there was no laundry detergent in the house. Yet, up until that point, he never disputed Misty's story about washing clothes that night.

 

[kant]

Nope what speaks volumes to me is the police never came out and asked ANYONE to verify Ron's whereabouts that night. Not one time but they sure wanted to verify anything that substantiated Misty's alibi.

IMO

What speaks volumes to me is that awhile back one member of LE whose name escapes me, said something to the effect that LE had tabs on Ron's shift, but that the issue for this officer/detective and others was that they are unsure what time whatever happened to Haleigh, happened.

I think Emeralgem (or someone else, anyone?) has the link IIRC. Em?

tia if you have it handy.

That notion in bold above tells me that there are certain ones of LE who clearly do not believe the whole door-wide-open-bricked-I-was-at-work-someone-stole-my-child-I-was-asleep-I-seen-three (o'clock) story the way that both Ron and Misty contend it happened - according to the 911 call, the police report, interviews etc.

moo

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[dodie20]

TN, no. I don't think she does kids for any length of time and I think whoever babysat did it for the whole time Misty was gone.

GGMS, No, those kids would run over her.

Crystal Cummings, Ron's sister is my bet.

if somebody else was involved, my money's on Hope Sykes. I can't give up the nagging feeling that she & Donna Brock were targeted in the bust, right along with the rest of them. But I'm not sure she'd babysit, lol. She doesn't exactly seem like the nurturing type. MOO, & I completely understand, because she's a young girl.

 

[krkrjx]

if somebody else was involved, my money's on Hope Sykes. I can't give up the nagging feeling that she & Donna Brock were targeted in the bust, right along with the rest of them. But I'm not sure she'd babysit, lol. She doesn't exactly seem like the nurturing type. MOO, & I completely understand, because she's a young girl.

Dodie, from all that has come out in this case it is obvious that babysitters in that household were not chosen for their nurturing qualities.

But, I don't see Hope wanting to babysit little kids any more than Misty wanted to. Now, that doesn't mean she might not sit there temporarily so Misty could go out and get a few things...

Not saying that happened, it's just a what-if. As in, what if [someone] came by asking Misty for ...some things... and she had to leave to get it, so that someone stayed at the MH waiting on Misty to come back with [whatever]. In that scenario, just about anyone who would not typically babysit, might have stayed for a bit.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Yeah, but I am pretty sure the object and goal was for them to not tip off Ron they are on to him, what speaks volumes to me is that they told the public and said they were satisfied with Ronald being at work, and told his Lawyer behind closed doors another thing.

jmo

They told his lawyer that he had dropped to the bottom of the list. Cant get any further down than the bottom.

IMO, Misty and Tommy were at the top and still are.

IMO

 

[cyberborg]

My_tee_mouse, I was inclined to excuse Ron for mixing up the facts about who slept in which bed(s). It's reasonable that in the midst of the excitement he misunderstood what Misty said about the sleeping arrangements. Misty herself said Haleigh was sleeping in her bed. Then the story changed, and it was said Haleigh was sleeping on a separate bed in the same room. I'm pretty sure that was for DCF's account. I don't know, but I could overlook the discrepancies, and I did until Ron told Tim Miller that the bed wasn't slept in at all. If Ron walked in the house and saw the bed made, why in the he!! did he go along with Misty's story that she, if not the children, were asleep in his bed? And let's not forget, he also told Tim that there was no laundry detergent in the house. Yet, up until that point, he never disputed Misty's story about washing clothes that night.

Well stated ... and to me what is critical is that Ron knows Misty and knows the house.

What appalled me was the times NG asked Ron if he had questioned Misty on the exact events and Ron blew it off that they had not really discussed it.

BS! That sent my hinky meter through the roof and to the moon!!!

In any relationship there are white lies and things that don't add up, you either are told something that you accept but then later it does not make sense. Also, things you see that make you wonder.

So ... given that HaLeigh was just missing and there was this story ... it'd be intense. Ron would be watching Misty's every move and reading every word with a double-meaning. Ron would be examining the house with new eyes, not only to see if the Perp has touched/left something but to see what was normal/in place and not.

Ron knows Misty better than most people so not only their conversations but looks and actions would all be processed by Ron in his subconscious and pretty quickly he'd know what his suspicions were and what wasn't right. He could speak volumes on his perceptions.

Ron was a goldmine of information on the MH and Misty -IF- he was an innocent party and could share that ... he would only ignore it or not share it -IF- he knew better or was the perp.

The fact that Ron does not share the signals and signs until much later when the focus is on him and the pressure on ... with TM trying to solve the mystery speaks volumes LOUD and CLEAR.

Ron was covering for Misty until the spotlight fell on him and then he shifted to illuminate doubt on Misty. If he wanted HaLeigh found ... why did he do that?

 

[Chablis]

They told his lawyer that he had dropped to the bottom of the list. Cant get any further down than the bottom.

IMO, Misty and Tommy were at the top and still are.

IMO

No, because truly innocent people, are not on lists. Their actions can be accounted for, and they can be ruled out. The LE said he can NEVER be ruled out. So whats the problem?

 

[cyberborg]

They told his lawyer that he had dropped to the bottom of the list. Cant get any further down than the bottom.

IMO, Misty and Tommy were at the top and still are.

IMO

LOL Yes, the bottom of the list is a big shift in LE suspicions when there were so many on the list, such as Misty, Tommy and, Ron. Phew!!! Ron's day was saved the day that LE moved Ron from the top to the bottom. j/k :crazy:

 

[tlcya]

Nope what speaks volumes to me is the police never came out and asked ANYONE to verify Ron's whereabouts that night. Not one time but they sure wanted to verify anything that substantiated Misty's alibi.

IMO

Agreed. What speaks volumes to me is that Misty's story of being there can't be verified because one of teh two people who could is missing presumed dead, and the otehr was too young to make a credible witness.

Ron however, I believe his story of werk was verified or eles LE would be asking for any witnesses who could verify Ron's timeline to come forward and they haven't therefore I have to believe they are satisfied. LE satisfied = me satisfied. They have access to waaaay more actual info and facts tham lil ole me.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

What speaks volumes to me is that awhile back one member of LE whose name escapes me, said something to the effect that LE had tabs on Ron's shift, but that the issue for this officer/detective and others was that they are unsure what time whatever happened to Haleigh, happened.

I think Emeralgem (or someone else, anyone?) has the link IIRC. Em?

tia if you have it handy.

That notion in bold above tells me that there are certain ones of LE who clearly do not believe the whole door-wide-open-bricked-I-was-at-work-someone-stole-my-child-I-was-asleep-I-seen-three (o'clock) story the way that both Ron and Misty contend it happened - according to the 911 call, the police report, interviews etc.

moo

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I don't think LE bought the cinder block blocking the door for one second and the 'perp' conveniently leaving the kitchen light on or that someone came into the same room where Misty was, and took Haleigh out, and she just slept through it all, but conveniently wakes up about the time Ron is getting off work. I think LE knew Misty was blowing smoke pretty early on. They said that Misty's story did not line up with the physical evidence found in the home, iirc.

Ron wouldn't know what happened except what Misty was telling LE and him at that time.

No, sorry, Kant, I don't have the link handy. When LE said that it was when the case first was unfolding and that is going on 21 months now. I have no doubt they didn't know for sure about a lot of things at that time. However that has long passed, and I do think they know way more now.

This case has not stood still and what they may have thought then they no longer do about certain things, imo. It is a process of elimination and once certain things are verified they go onto something else.

So I don't pay much attention to what was said by LE months and months ago. If LE held a PC NOW........I certainly would take into consideration any current information they divulged. But old news I wouldn't.

IMO

 

[kant]

They told his lawyer that he had dropped to the bottom of the list. Cant get any further down than the bottom.

IMO, Misty and Tommy were at the top and still are.

IMO

Wow

interesting

 

[oceanblueeyes]

LOL Yes, the bottom of the list is a big shift in LE suspicions when there were so many on the list, such as Misty, Tommy and, Ron. Phew!!! Ron's day was saved the day that LE moved Ron from the top to the bottom. j/k :crazy:

LOL! I hear ya! Well I would rather be at the bottom of a suspect list than at the top any ole day and that was months ago.

Ron since then has been given a sweetheart plea deal and got years shaved off of his sentence. So imo he is non existent on the list because the DA would never deal with the ones involved in Haleigh's disappearance. Misty and Tommy know that all too well.

IMO

 

[justus4all]

They told his lawyer that he had dropped to the bottom of the list. Cant get any further down than the bottom.

IMO, Misty and Tommy were at the top and still are.

IMO

Just curious...Do you mind me asking...Have YOU SEEN this list...to feel that Misty and Tommy are STILL at the top...

Speaking for myself....I have no knowledge where Tommy and Misty are on their list...as...new information is revealed to the LE..........all the time..

 

[oceanblueeyes]

No, because truly innocent people, are not on lists. Their actions can be accounted for, and they can be ruled out. The LE said he can NEVER be ruled out. So whats the problem?

BBM

Of course they are.

The man who's wife was murdered 20 years ago remained on the list for 20 years until BTK confessed that he had murdered the man's wife.

And this man isn't the only one that was suspected and another person actually did the crime.

If the person could be ruled out then we would not have innocent people in prison for years and years before they are exonerated.

IMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Just curious...Do you mind me asking...Have YOU SEEN this list...to feel that Misty and Tommy are STILL at the top...

Speaking for myself....I have no knowledge where Tommy and Misty are on their list...as...new information is revealed to the LE..........all the time..

LOL! no, I havent.

I have my opinion though and I believe Misty and Tommy are the top two on the list. The very two that the DA refused to even consider a plea deal with.

The very two that have lied and told tales from day one, imo.

IMO

 

[cyberborg]

LOL! I hear ya! Well I would rather be at the bottom of a suspect list than at the top any ole day and that was months ago.

Ron since then has been given a sweetheart plea deal and got years shaved off of his sentence. So imo he is non existent on the list because the DA would never deal with the ones involved in Haleigh's disappearance. Misty and Tommy know that all too well.

IMO

Personally ... :waitasec: if I was Ron I would NOT ever want to be on any notorious "suspect list" with regard to my beloved daughter. I would be VERY proactive doing everything that I possibly could and more to assist LE in the search and investigation of HaLeigh.

I would go on TV and share everything that I knew in the hope that it might help ... not resort to minimal statements and sticking with, "I don't know" or "I was at werk" or, "we did not discuss the incident".

Sure if he is innocent he did not know at first but I'd make it my business to internally investigate the families ASAP with a focus on Misty and work with Junior to get anything and everything I could. I would be the resident expert on the case to try to get my girl back home!!!! I'd know everything, like we do.

I would NOT be throwing up distractions, obstacles and, doing my level best to avoid LE until I am pinned down and tricked by TES and undercover agents.

At the end of the day, the last thing I would be doing is trading information on the timeline and events around the period of HaLeigh's disappearance -- that I had never shared before and put into a written statement -- in return for a sweeeeeeeet plea deal.

I certainly would not be proud that I was now on the "bottom" of the suspect list, per my attorney and had traded my daughter for a sweet plea deal. What a model Father?

IMO.

 

[cyberborg]

LOL! no, I havent.

I have my opinion though and I believe Misty and Tommy are the top two on the list. The very two that the DA refused to even consider a plea deal with.

The very two that have lied and told tales from day one, imo.

IMO

I agree!!! The DA has (IMO) held back a plea deal for Misty until she tells the truth and tells the member of the Cummings family who LE seek to indict.

LE have not charged Misty or Tommy yet with their roles since there is someone missing who is more important to justice for HaLeigh that they seek, so they are pressing Misty big time to spill. Misty does need to tell the truth.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Personally ... :waitasec: if I was Ron I would NOT ever want to be on any notorious "suspect list" with regard to my beloved daughter. I would be VERY proactive doing everything that I possibly could and more to assist LE in the search and investigation of HaLeigh.

I would go on TV and share everything that I knew in the hope that it might help ... not resort to minimal statements and sticking with, "I don't know" or "I was at werk" or, "we did not discuss the incident".

Sure if he is innocent he did not know at first but I'd make it my business to internally investigate the families ASAP with a focus on Misty and work with Junior to get anything and everything I could. I would be the resident expert on the case to try to get my girl back home!!!! I'd know everything, like we do.

I would NOT be throwing up distractions, obstacles and, doing my level best to avoid LE until I am pinned down and tricked by TES and undercover agents.

At the end of the day, the last thing I would be doing is trading information on the timeline and events around the period of HaLeigh's disappearance -- that I had never shared before and put into a written statement -- in return for a sweeeeeeeet plea deal.

I certainly would not be proud that I was now on the "bottom" of the suspect list, per my attorney and had traded my daughter for a sweet plea deal. What a model Father?

IMO.

He did not trade his daughter for a sweet plea deal. Unfortunately some scum bucket killed his daughter so she cant be traded for anything. I am sure if he had a choice he would rather have his precious daughter back alive and well.

It is very common for a defense attorney to use testifying as a negotiation tool. It does not mean Ron would have ever refused to testify but it is his lawyer's duty to offer the DA something in exchange for a plea deal. So Ron was willing to put it in the legal documents affirming he would testify against anyone that is involved in his daughter's homicide. At least HE IS willing to testify and if that means he gets out 10 years early then so be it. Haleigh is worth it.

I doubt Ron is proud of anything that has happened but I think he has long known that LE has ruled him out.

I don't recall anyone saying Ron was a model father. Many times in cases like this.... perfect fathers or perfect mothers don't exist.

His attorney said that Ron has continued to cooperate with LE since August 09 and evidently the DA believes he has been cooperative and helpful too or they wouldn't have offered him a plea deal. It means one thing. The DA needs the information that RCs has given them to take the case(s) to trial. If Ron can assist in Haleigh getting justice then that is all that matters to me.

I am sure no one wants to be a suspect that isn't guilty but it happens even in the end it is proven they weren't the one who did the crime.

May I ask you why you and some others misspell "work' and spell it "werk" :waitasec:instead?

IMO

 

[cyberborg]

Wrt. "werk". Simply a colloquialism that has been used in WS quite a bit to describe how Ron pronounced the phrase on TV -- no disrespect at all to Ron. I think Ron knows a lot about a lot and could have helped solve this case on day 2 to bring HaLeigh home and bury her with the respect, love and, dignity that she deserves. IMO

I make no excuses for no-one and will continue to objectively hold everyone's feet to the fire until we have someone accused and declared Guilty by a jury of their peers. No one gets a free pass in my book and Ron deserves a lot more scrutiny than most. The half empty part of Ron's glass contains hundreds of key $64,000 questions. Maybe Ron should answer some of them?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I agree!!! The DA has (IMO) held back a plea deal for Misty until she tells the truth and tells the member of the Cummings family who LE seek to indict.

LE have not charged Misty or Tommy yet with their roles since there is someone missing who is more important to justice for HaLeigh that they seek, so they are pressing Misty big time to spill. Misty does need to tell the truth.

BBM

Not sure what that means.

IMO