If Misty were to lead LE to Haleigh....

[cyberborg]

In my experience the Croslin's are loose cannons. They are a liability and dangerous ... to themselves. They get busted for trivial things and inform on and blame each other. They are a part of the Chaos theory ... if one Croslin does something it doesn't take long before it effects them all. Sadly.

They want to confess. They have already shared a dozen theories on what happened, supposedly sourced from Misty. We have Gma Flo and Chelsea jumping on TV to share the latest theory, some half truths and, some lies.

If Misty knew enough about what happened she would have traded it and done better as a juvenile babysitter in the HaLeigh case than an adult in an undercover sting for drug trafficking. IMO Misty would get a more favorable reaction and less time.

LE have not acted based on what they have from Misty and Tommy and the visits to the Shell Harbor dock. Hmmm. Why? Who else do they need?

 

[dodie20]

LOL! no, I havent.

I have my opinion though and I believe Misty and Tommy are the top two on the list. The very two that the DA refused to even consider a plea deal with.

The very two that have lied and told tales from day one, imo.

IMO

I'm not trying to pick, but I honestly need my memory refreshed. I thought Tommy got some charges dropped, & what kind of deal did Hope get?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I'm not trying to pick, but I honestly need my memory refreshed. I thought Tommy got some charges dropped, & what kind of deal did Hope get?

I am not sure now either dodie. I dont think Tommy got a plea deal. He didnt have as many charges to begin with did he? Hope and maybe Donna agree to testify iirc.

Tommy pleaded no contest like Misty. Neither one of them were offered plea deals by the state though.

But Im not really sure.

IMO

 

[justus4all]

In my experience the Croslin's are loose cannons. They are a liability and dangerous ... to themselves. They get busted for trivial things and inform on and blame each other. They are a part of the Chaos theory ... if one Croslin does something it doesn't take long before it effects them all. Sadly.

They want to confess. They have already shared a dozen theories on what happened, supposedly sourced from Misty. We have Gma Flo and Chelsea jumping on TV to share the latest theory, some half truths and, some lies.

If Misty knew enough about what happened she would have traded it and done better as a juvenile babysitter in the HaLeigh case than an adult in an undercover sting for drug trafficking. IMO Misty would get a more favorable reaction and less time.

LE have not acted based on what they have from Misty and Tommy and the visits to the Shell Harbor dock. Hmmm. Why? Who else do they need?

bolded and underlined by me...

They need IMO...for Misty to tell who it is....

clue...It was said....Who asked Ron..."Do you think she will talk" and who is aiming a pointed finger as a gun...and making the sound of a gun shooting..and saying "you are done"....which tells me the Cummings are involved and making threats on the Croslins.This case is getting ...just..............too..............close........... to the truth...as what happened to little Haleigh...and the Cummings are very very nervous now....and becoming very bold in threats for the Croslins to keep their mouths shut...Especially Misty's

Think about it...If the Cummings...were NOT involved..why make the threats....they think Haleigh is still missing....
very telling....very very telling...
IMO...and my :twocents:...and ...another :twocents:

 

[cyberborg]

[snip]

Ron since then has been given a sweetheart plea deal and got years shaved off of his sentence. So imo he is non existent on the list because the DA would never deal with the ones involved in Haleigh's disappearance. Misty and Tommy know that all too well.

IMO

Respectfully snipped.

If I was Ron I would not consider a sweetheart plea deal to ruffle Misty's feathers in return for his 'truthful' testimony in a future HaLeigh case such a deal ... it can be quite the opposite.

Not only does Ron need to testify 'truthfully' no matter what breaks else he goes down as well but ... this is not immunity.

Ron might have been better suited with immunity in return for his testimony. IMO

A trick?

 

[suspicious1]

My_tee_mouse, I was inclined to excuse Ron for mixing up the facts about who slept in which bed(s). It's reasonable that in the midst of the excitement he misunderstood what Misty said about the sleeping arrangements. Misty herself said Haleigh was sleeping in her bed. Then the story changed, and it was said Haleigh was sleeping on a separate bed in the same room. I'm pretty sure that was for DCF's account. I don't know, but I could overlook the discrepancies, and I did until Ron told Tim Miller that the bed wasn't slept in at all. If Ron walked in the house and saw the bed made, why in the he!! did he go along with Misty's story that she, if not the children, were asleep in his bed? And let's not forget, he also told Tim that there was no laundry detergent in the house. Yet, up until that point, he never disputed Misty's story about washing clothes that night.[/QUOTE]

Yep, you are right Bessie....Ron told Tim Miller and Mark Nejame a totally different story about Misty and the night Haleigh went missing....IIRC, the Cummings are the ones who called Mark Nejame, who in turn called Tim Miller....Tim Miller gave Misty a series of tests, I'm not sure the exact day but I know it was somewhere between Aug. 15-Aug 26, 2009....on Aug. 26, Tim Miller annouced that Misty failed those tests....On Sept 13, 2009, Tim Miller tells us what Ron told him and what he thinks of Misty and Ron...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtQegfTOc4Q

Misty falied those tests....and Ron wanted Tim Miller to know that he did not believe Misty's account of what happened the night Haleigh disappeared....

HOWEVER.....

On August 31, this is what we heard from Ron's lawyer....

http://www.news4jax.com/news/20648199/detail.html

<snipped>

Ronald appeared on the Nancy Grace show and was asked about those tests Misty Cummings took with the search group, Equusearch.

"Well, until I see more physical proof of what's going on, Ms. Nancy, my concerns are still keeping Haleigh's face on the TV," Ronald said to Grace.

Terry Shoemaker, Ronald's new attorney, said despite the negative light the tests have cast on his wife, Ronald stands behind her 100 percent.

"He has no reason not to believe his wife at this point, and he's going to stand by her until something else comes up," Shoemaker said.

At this point Misty had failed numerous tests about what happened to Haleigh....and Ron still stands behind her...huh? until something else comes up? what? something else like what? a body?
Why would the Cummings urge Misty to take those tests.....and then not give thought to what the test revealed?
JMO of course

 

[cyberborg]

[snip]

At this point Misty had failed numerous tests about what happened to Haleigh....and Ron still stands behind her...huh? until something else comes up? what? something else like what? a body?
Why would the Cummings urge Misty to take those tests.....and then not give thought to what the test revealed?
JMO of course

Respectfully snipped. Thanks for this.

Ron was playing both sides in my opinion ... trying to seem neutral.

I think if Misty cracked or went down then he'd be all over that but -- Ron was very careful how he played this ... covertly. Why?

Was Ron afraid that if he overtly took Misty down she would take him with her (and vice versa?).

It always puzzled me that because this never went away and the spotlight began to fall on Ron that TN and Ron made a covert attempt to take Misty down.

What does Misty have on Ron that causes him to defend her 100% publicly while self-preservation seeks to trip her up?

 

[suspicious1]

Respectfully snipped. Thanks for this.

Ron was playing both sides in my opinion ... trying to seem neutral.

I think if Misty cracked or went down then he'd be all over that but -- Ron was very careful how he played this ... covertly. Why?

Was Ron afraid that if he overtly took Misty down she would take him with her (and vice versa?).

It always puzzled me that because this never went away and the spotlight began to fall on Ron that TN and Ron made a covert attempt to take Misty down.

What does Misty have on Ron that causes him to defend her 100% publicly while self-preservation seeks to trip her up?

BBM

That's what I want to know too, cyber....and IMO, all of the Cummings have been doing this to Misty....from day one...

JMO of course

 

[krkrjx]

I'm not trying to pick, but I honestly need my memory refreshed. I thought Tommy got some charges dropped, & what kind of deal did Hope get?

Donna got a deal of a reduced charge for agreeing to change her Not Guilty plea and avoid trial. Prior to this deal, Donna faced 25 years (same charge as Misty in St. Johns, as Donna and Misty did that transaction together).

Tommy had one trafficking charge, but had two other charges pending at time of his arrest. He got no deal on the trafficking charge but did get one of his other pending charges dropped, IIRC. (But if that charge wasn't dropped, all he got for it was time served. )

Hope got the shaft.

 

[bessie]

Yep, you are right Bessie....Ron told Tim Miller and Mark Nejame a totally different story about Misty and the night Haleigh went missing....IIRC, the Cummings are the ones who called Mark Nejame, who in turn called Tim Miller....Tim Miller gave Misty a series of tests, I'm not sure the exact day but I know it was somewhere between Aug. 15-Aug 26, 2009....on Aug. 26, Tim Miller annouced that Misty failed those tests....On Sept 13, 2009, Tim Miller tells us what Ron told him and what he thinks of Misty and Ron...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtQegfTOc4Q

Misty falied those tests....and Ron wanted Tim Miller to know that he did not believe Misty's account of what happened the night Haleigh disappeared....

HOWEVER.....

On August 31, this is what we heard from Ron's lawyer....

At this point Misty had failed numerous tests about what happened to Haleigh....and Ron still stands behind her...huh? until something else comes up? what? something else like what? a body?
Why would the Cummings urge Misty to take those tests.....and then not give thought to what the test revealed?
JMO of course

Misty signed the release for TJ Ward o August 24, 2009. I made "a huge mistake" and typed September 24th on the Q&A thread last night.

The fall of 2009 was a crucial point in this whole mess. From April through the end of July, while the DCF investigation was in process, things were pretty quiet in Putnam County. One only has to read through the media thread to see that. Everyone was keeping a pretty low profile. Once Ron was cleared by the DCG on July 16th, all hell broke loose. Some time around the end of July, Teresa called on Nejame for help, who in turn brought in Tim Miller. Recall, according to Tim Miller, that's when TN made the statement to Tim that Misty was ready to break. So, Tim arranged for the tests on behalf of the Cummings, and Misty submitted. They all went to Orlando for the tests, and Misty failed. One would think that the Cummings would be thankful to TM for his assistance, but instead they turned on him. Alleged that Tim wouldn't let Ron and Misty use their cell phones in Orlando and other nonsense. After trashing Misty for weeks -- just as you said, Suspicious -- Ron's lawyer announced that Ron was standing behind his wife. Naturally, Tim was PO'd, and that's when he let loose about the Cummings and the incident with Ron holding the rifle to his head, and saying that when he found out where Haleigh "was at", he'd kill Misty and himself, blah, blah.

Misty Cummings was the last person to see Haleigh Cummings before she disappeared in February from their home. Misty's husband, Ronald Cummings, stands by her side.

He told First Coast News Monday "I don't think [Misty] has any information that will help find Haleigh."

Tim Miller of Texas Equusearch told First Coast News this week, "Ron may be saying that now."
Miller said Ronald Cummings told him, as well as Orlando-based attorney Mark NeJame, about two weeks ago that he doubted Misty's story about the night Haleigh disappeared.

Miller told First Coast News, "Ronald's statement right then was, 'The b**** has something to do with Haleigh's disappearance.'"

Misty Cummings has said she put Haleigh to bed that February night at 8:00 and then around 10:00 Misty herself went to sleep. Miller said Ronald Cummings does not buy that story. Miller told First Coast News, "He said, 'She had never been to sleep that night.' He said, 'The bed was still made.' He said, 'Nobody had been in the bed.'"

Misty, in an exclusive interview with First Coast News' Jessica Clark, said the bed was not made. "I was sleeping in that bed. How would it be made if someone was sleeping in the bed? I wasn't the only one sleeping in it. Me and his son. How would the bed be made if we were in the bed sleeping in it?"

Miller said Ronald Cummings also told him, "She's lying."

Perspective:

August 6th, the big fight between Ron and the Croslins. Ron arrested for assault and battery.

August 12th, ratgate.

August 17th, PCSO press release:

The biological parents, Ronald Cummings and Crystal Sheffield, are not considered to be suspects in the case. Investigators believe that Misty Croslin-Cummings continues to hold important answers in the case. She has failed to provide any sort of detailed accounting of the hours during the late evening and early morning of Haleigh’s disappearance. Furthermore, physical evidence at the scene contradicts Misty’s sketchy account of her evening activities.

(Also Haleigh's 6th birthday, btw)

August 23-24th, Misty takes a series of "truth tests"

August 26th, Tim Miller reveals that Misty failed the tests.

August 29th, LE conducts another search and interviews Tommy.

August 31st, Shoemaker makes public announcement that Ron stands behind Misty.

Meanwhile, during the month of August, Ron has revealed to Tim Miller that he is suspicious of Misty, questions her versions of events.

September 5th, LE interview Tim and Chelsea in Massachusetts About the same time, a sighting of Haleigh is reported in a WalMart in Massachusetts.

Later in September, Tommy is arrested for the gun theft. The Mondex pond is searched. Tommy tells LE Misty wasn't at the MH the night of Feb 9th when he went to check on her at Ron's request. Lisa is arrested for check forgery. NayNay's letter to her mother surfaces refuting allegations from Joe something-or-other that Haleigh OD'd at a party. And if that's not enough, some mysterious broad in "scrubs" delivers a letter to the newspaper in St. Augustine containing bogus information about Haleigh's burial site!!! WTF!!!

It's mind boggling. But I believe that if we would all stop arguing about who is guilty, and focus on the events of the fall of 2009 with open minds -- set aside our egos and our fear of being wrong -- we could come up with some real answers, and make a valid contribution toward finding justice for Haleigh.

 

[dodie20]

Misty signed the release for TJ Ward o August 24, 2009. I made "a huge mistake" and typed September 24th on the Q&A thread last night.

The fall of 2009 was a crucial point in this whole mess. From April through the end of July, while the DCF investigation was in process, things were pretty quiet in Putnam County. One only has to read through the media thread to see that. Everyone was keeping a pretty low profile. Once Ron was cleared by the DCG on July 16th, all hell broke loose. Some time around the end of July, Teresa called on Nejame for help, who in turn brought in Tim Miller. Recall, according to Tim Miller, that's when TN made the statement to Tim that Misty was ready to break. So, Tim arranged for the tests on behalf of the Cummings, and Misty submitted. They all went to Orlando for the tests, and Misty failed. One would think that the Cummings would be thankful to TM for his assistance, but instead they turned on him. Alleged that Tim wouldn't let Ron and Misty use their cell phones in Orlando and other nonsense. After trashing Misty for weeks -- just as you said, Suspicious -- Ron's lawyer announced that Ron was standing behind his wife. Naturally, Tim was PO'd, and that's when he let loose about the Cummings and the incident with Ron holding the rifle to his head, and saying that when he found out where Haleigh "was at", he'd kill Misty and himself, blah, blah.



Perspective:

August 6th, the big fight between Ron and the Croslins. Ron arrested for assault and battery.

August 12th, ratgate.

August 17th, PCSO press release:
(Also Haleigh's 6th birthday, btw)

August 23-24th, Misty takes a series of "truth tests"

August 26th, Tim Miller reveals that Misty failed the tests.

August 29th, LE conducts another search and interviews Tommy.

August 31st, Shoemaker makes public announcement that Ron stands behind Misty.

Meanwhile, during the month of August, Ron has revealed to Tim Miller that he is suspicious of Misty, questions her versions of events.

September 5th, LE interview Tim and Chelsea in Massachusetts About the same time, a sighting of Haleigh is reported in a WalMart in Massachusetts.

Later in September, Tommy is arrested for the gun theft. The Mondex pond is searched. Tommy tells LE Misty wasn't at the MH the night of Feb 9th when he went to check on her at Ron's request. Lisa is arrested for check forgery. NayNay's letter to her mother surfaces refuting allegations from Joe something-or-other that Haleigh OD'd at a party. And if that's not enough, some mysterious broad in "scrubs" delivers a letter to the newspaper in St. Augustine containing bogus information about Haleigh's burial site!!! WTF!!!

It's mind boggling. But I believe that if we would all stop arguing about who is guilty, and focus on the events of the fall of 2009 with open minds -- set aside our egos and our fear of being wrong -- we could come up with some real answers, and make a valid contribution toward finding justice for Haleigh.

I always wondered why Ron stuck by Misty, when she failed those tests, but I also wondered why she stayed with him, after he bad mouthed her 'behind her back'. I got the impression that he her told to expect it, but it meant nothing, & it made me think they were covering for each other. I was so not surprised when they got busted still together... because whatever happened to Haleigh, they were in on something together, & had the need to keep an eye on each other. He warned her about Donna Brock, & she warned him about Cobra.

 

[dodie20]

Misty signed the release for TJ Ward o August 24, 2009. I made "a huge mistake" and typed September 24th on the Q&A thread last night.

The fall of 2009 was a crucial point in this whole mess. From April through the end of July, while the DCF investigation was in process, things were pretty quiet in Putnam County. One only has to read through the media thread to see that. Everyone was keeping a pretty low profile. Once Ron was cleared by the DCG on July 16th, all hell broke loose. Some time around the end of July, Teresa called on Nejame for help, who in turn brought in Tim Miller. Recall, according to Tim Miller, that's when TN made the statement to Tim that Misty was ready to break. So, Tim arranged for the tests on behalf of the Cummings, and Misty submitted. They all went to Orlando for the tests, and Misty failed. One would think that the Cummings would be thankful to TM for his assistance, but instead they turned on him. Alleged that Tim wouldn't let Ron and Misty use their cell phones in Orlando and other nonsense. After trashing Misty for weeks -- just as you said, Suspicious -- Ron's lawyer announced that Ron was standing behind his wife. Naturally, Tim was PO'd, and that's when he let loose about the Cummings and the incident with Ron holding the rifle to his head, and saying that when he found out where Haleigh "was at", he'd kill Misty and himself, blah, blah.



Perspective:

August 6th, the big fight between Ron and the Croslins. Ron arrested for assault and battery.

August 12th, ratgate.

August 17th, PCSO press release:
(Also Haleigh's 6th birthday, btw)

August 23-24th, Misty takes a series of "truth tests"

August 26th, Tim Miller reveals that Misty failed the tests.

August 29th, LE conducts another search and interviews Tommy.

August 31st, Shoemaker makes public announcement that Ron stands behind Misty.

Meanwhile, during the month of August, Ron has revealed to Tim Miller that he is suspicious of Misty, questions her versions of events.

September 5th, LE interview Tim and Chelsea in Massachusetts About the same time, a sighting of Haleigh is reported in a WalMart in Massachusetts.

Later in September, Tommy is arrested for the gun theft. The Mondex pond is searched. Tommy tells LE Misty wasn't at the MH the night of Feb 9th when he went to check on her at Ron's request. Lisa is arrested for check forgery. NayNay's letter to her mother surfaces refuting allegations from Joe something-or-other that Haleigh OD'd at a party. And if that's not enough, some mysterious broad in "scrubs" delivers a letter to the newspaper in St. Augustine containing bogus information about Haleigh's burial site!!! WTF!!!

It's mind boggling. But I believe that if we would all stop arguing about who is guilty, and focus on the events of the fall of 2009 with open minds -- set aside our egos and our fear of being wrong -- we could come up with some real answers, and make a valid contribution toward finding justice for Haleigh.

I do try to keep an open mind, & actually have several theories, that cover all the main players. My main theory is Tommy, but I've got Misty & Ron covered too. They ALL seem guilty, & with the limited information we have, a really good case could be made against any one of them. That's the problem. Tommy just sets off my creep meter, Misty is the logical choice, & Ron has the temper. I don't have a fear of being wrong, but if I am, I won't feel like I owe Tommy an appology, (I've been hard on him), because he's a liar & got himself into this mess. the same with the rest of this bunch. What's weird, is I hear about cases that drag on for years, where people don't talk, confess or snitch, but I'd never given the intensity of the investigations much thought, until I started keeping up with this 1. I don't see how Haleigh's loved ones have kept from losing their minds, & I don't see how this 'bunch of unusual people' can live with themselves, & I don't see how LE has kept from beating the **** out of every one of them. MOO.

 

[suspicious1]

Misty signed the release for TJ Ward o August 24, 2009. I made "a huge mistake" and typed September 24th on the Q&A thread last night.

The fall of 2009 was a crucial point in this whole mess. From April through the end of July, while the DCF investigation was in process, things were pretty quiet in Putnam County. One only has to read through the media thread to see that. Everyone was keeping a pretty low profile. Once Ron was cleared by the DCG on July 16th, all hell broke loose. Some time around the end of July, Teresa called on Nejame for help, who in turn brought in Tim Miller. Recall, according to Tim Miller, that's when TN made the statement to Tim that Misty was ready to break. So, Tim arranged for the tests on behalf of the Cummings, and Misty submitted. They all went to Orlando for the tests, and Misty failed. One would think that the Cummings would be thankful to TM for his assistance, but instead they turned on him. Alleged that Tim wouldn't let Ron and Misty use their cell phones in Orlando and other nonsense. After trashing Misty for weeks -- just as you said, Suspicious -- Ron's lawyer announced that Ron was standing behind his wife. Naturally, Tim was PO'd, and that's when he let loose about the Cummings and the incident with Ron holding the rifle to his head, and saying that when he found out where Haleigh "was at", he'd kill Misty and himself, blah, blah.



Perspective:

August 6th, the big fight between Ron and the Croslins. Ron arrested for assault and battery.

August 12th, ratgate.

August 17th, PCSO press release:
(Also Haleigh's 6th birthday, btw)

August 23-24th, Misty takes a series of "truth tests"

August 26th, Tim Miller reveals that Misty failed the tests.

August 29th, LE conducts another search and interviews Tommy.

August 31st, Shoemaker makes public announcement that Ron stands behind Misty.

Meanwhile, during the month of August, Ron has revealed to Tim Miller that he is suspicious of Misty, questions her versions of events.

September 5th, LE interview Tim and Chelsea in Massachusetts About the same time, a sighting of Haleigh is reported in a WalMart in Massachusetts.

Later in September, Tommy is arrested for the gun theft. The Mondex pond is searched. Tommy tells LE Misty wasn't at the MH the night of Feb 9th when he went to check on her at Ron's request. Lisa is arrested for check forgery. NayNay's letter to her mother surfaces refuting allegations from Joe something-or-other that Haleigh OD'd at a party. And if that's not enough, some mysterious broad in "scrubs" delivers a letter to the newspaper in St. Augustine containing bogus information about Haleigh's burial site!!! WTF!!!

It's mind boggling. But I believe that if we would all stop arguing about who is guilty, and focus on the events of the fall of 2009 with open minds -- set aside our egos and our fear of being wrong -- we could come up with some real answers, and make a valid contribution toward finding justice for Haleigh.

Great Post, Bessie! Very informative....so you think we need to focus on the fall of 2009? It does seem to be alot going on around this time...maybe we should focus on that time....Let me go see if I can find anything else that happened around this time....

 

[Chablis]

BBM

Of course they are.

The man who's wife was murdered 20 years ago remained on the list for 20 years until BTK confessed that he had murdered the man's wife.

And this man isn't the only one that was suspected and another person actually did the crime.

If the person could be ruled out then we would not have innocent people in prison for years and years before they are exonerated.

IMO

Right, but when a spouse is killed, the other is always suspect, and the truth came out and he was cleared, right?

Ron should not be on a list PERIOD.

The cops have said they can NEVER rule him out, because I follow this case for justice for Haleigh, I will never let go of that FACT and will preach it until the cops can clear Ronald, which they told his lawyer they never can, I mean why are we supposed to forget that?

 

[Lanie]

Right, but when a spouse is killed, the other is always suspect, and the truth came out and he was cleared, right?

Ron should not be on a list PERIOD.

The cops have said they can NEVER rule him out, because I follow this case for justice for Haleigh, I will never let go of that FACT and will preach it until the cops can clear Ronald, which they told his lawyer they never can, I mean why are we supposed to forget that?

Do you have the link to this handy? I remember Ron's lawyer saying LE had not cleared Ron, but not that they could NEVER rule him out, which, IMO, are two very different things.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Respectfully snipped.

If I was Ron I would not consider a sweetheart plea deal to ruffle Misty's feathers in return for his 'truthful' testimony in a future HaLeigh case such a deal ... it can be quite the opposite.

Not only does Ron need to testify 'truthfully' no matter what breaks else he goes down as well but ... this is not immunity.

Ron might have been better suited with immunity in return for his testimony. IMO

A trick?

Of course he needs to testify truthfully. That stipulation is always in plea agreements on anyone that has agreed to testify. So Ron Cummings plea deal is by no means any different than others who have agreed to do the same in exchange for a plea deal.

I don't think Ron needs immunity and that is why his lawyer didn't ask for it.

Not sure what you mean by a "trick'? Entrapment? That is illegal.

A DA cannot 'trick' someone. They must be aboveboard and totally honest too or they could be disbarred for unethical or prosecutorial misconduct. If the DA tricked Ron Cummings that would be a defense attorneys treasure trove and whatever case the DA was going to trick him with would be thrown out by the higher courts for violating his constitutional rights.

And the Constitution supersedes any plea deal because a person cannot be made to testify against themselves. Thank goodness we still have Constitutional rights in the country........even Ron Cummings, Misty Croslin and Tommy. Neither one can be made to testify against themselves just like all other citizens in this country. So if you are saying the DA is trying to trick Ron into testifying against himself then that just isn't going to happen. May see it in the movies but not in the justice system.

So Ron being 'tricked" has no basis. It isn't what our justice system does. Never heard of one case where a DA tricked someone in a plea deal.

Ron was given this plea deal simply because the DA needs him and believes he will testify truthfully. If not he would not have offered it to him in the first place. If the DA did not think so.. he wouldn't have agreed to plea with Ron at all.

IMO

 

[Chablis]

Do you have the link to this handy? I remember Ron's lawyer saying LE had not cleared Ron, but not that they could NEVER rule him out, which, IMO, are two very different things.

SHOEMAKER: Well, it`s kind of a tough situation to say they`ve officially cleared him 100 percent. When we met with law enforcement last week, they basically said they moved him from, you know, top of the list to the bottom of the list.

GRACE: Got it.

SHOEMAKER: Unless they were with him all night long, they can`t officially rule him out.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0909/08/ng.01.html

So he cant be officially ruled out. Thats all I need to know. I know enough to know they can never go back and be with him that night, so that means he can NEVER be ruled out. Speaks VOLUMES. Oh, and where was Ron 3 months after this statement was made? Sitting on 900k bail for a low amount of pills.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Right, but when a spouse is killed, the other is always suspect, and the truth came out and he was cleared, right?

Ron should not be on a list PERIOD.

The cops have said they can NEVER rule him out, because I follow this case for justice for Haleigh, I will never let go of that FACT and will preach it until the cops can clear Ronald, which they told his lawyer they never can, I mean why are we supposed to forget that?

That is true. Just like the last known person to see the victim is also a suspect. The husband can be cleared sometimes but then sometimes it takes finding the real killer for that to happen.

I don't go by old news articles anymore or what an attorney may have said over a year ago.

I know after reading about so many cases for decades, that what LE didn't know at a certain time, they do find out during their ongoing investigation. This case has not stood still. LE has eliminated many things they questioned or suspected months or over a year ago. That is just SOP 101.

The police never came out and ruled Mark, Ruth or Archie Lunsford out either or Steve Greone, but they were all as innocent as the day is long, and when the real perp was finally brought to justice.. well then it was evident the family members weren't involved but until that time LE didn't come out and rule them out.

So Ron being at the bottom of the list over a year ago doesnt bother me. I have seen it happen before when in the end they werent the real suspects at all.


IMO

 

[Chablis]

That is true. Just like the last known person to see the victim is also a suspect. The husband can be cleared sometimes but then sometimes it takes finding the real killer for that to happen.

I don't go by old news articles anymore or what an attorney may have said over a year ago.

I know after reading about so many cases for decades, that what LE didn't know at a certain time, they do find out during their ongoing investigation. This case has not stood still. LE has eliminated many things they questioned or suspected months ago. That is just SOP 101.

The police never came out and ruled Mark, Ruth or Archie Lunsford out either or Steve Greone, but they were all as innocent as the day is long, and when the real perp was finally brought to justice.. well then it was evident the family members weren't involved but until that time LE didn't come out and rule them out.

So Ron being at the bottom of the list months ago doesnt bother me. I have seen it happen before when in the end they werent the real suspects at all.


IMO

The article is a year old, we know they cant go back and physically be with him, and he moved from the "top" to the bottom, well do you know how many people are on the list? He should be CLEARED. And comparing this case to other cases is just not fair, its not the same thing at all. We can give for instances all day of people who were suspected and cleared, but the FACT of this case is its still unsolved, and Ron can not be cleared. And now hes in prison. Seeing Ron on a list greatly bothers me. And none of those people you listed ever cut off interviews with police over their child, big difference.

 

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The article is a year old, we know they cant go back and physically be with him, and he moved from the "top" to the bottom, well do you know how many people are on the list? He should be CLEARED. And comparing this case to other cases is just not fair, its not the same thing at all. We can give for instances all day of people who were suspected and cleared, but the FACT of this case is its still unsolved, and Ron can not be cleared. And now hes in prison. Seeing Ron on a list greatly bothers me. And none of those people you listed ever cut off interviews with police over their child, big difference.

Really? I haven't see many cases where LE comes out and specifically clears anyone in an ongoing investigation. It happens occasionally but rarely, imo. Who are these many people who were cleared publicly by LE when the investigation was still ongoing?

I don't know how many people are on the list. Could be 20 potential suspects and Ron is number 20, if he is still on there at all by now. And he may have been at the bottom of the list even before then. When Shoemaker came on board is when Ron began talking to LE again. So it doesn't mean he was placed at the bottom a year ago. LE could have had him there long before Shoemaker became Ron's attorney.

I think it is evident who remains at the top of the list though. The two the DA refused to give a deal to.......

Of course it is fair. There are always similarities in other cases and comparing them isn't unfair. The two cases I mentioned were also missing child cases.

IMO