If Misty were to lead LE to Haleigh....

[my_tee_mouse]

Do you have the link to this handy? I remember Ron's lawyer saying LE had not cleared Ron, but not that they could NEVER rule him out, which, IMO, are two very different things.

I totally agree....a lot of ocean between not being cleared and never ruling out. A link would definitely be nice to see.

 

[my_tee_mouse]

My_tee_mouse, I was inclined to excuse Ron for mixing up the facts about who slept in which bed(s). It's reasonable that in the midst of the excitement he misunderstood what Misty said about the sleeping arrangements. Misty herself said Haleigh was sleeping in her bed. Then the story changed, and it was said Haleigh was sleeping on a separate bed in the same room. I'm pretty sure that was for DCF's account. I don't know, but I could overlook the discrepancies, and I did until Ron told Tim Miller that the bed wasn't slept in at all. If Ron walked in the house and saw the bed made, why in the he!! did he go along with Misty's story that she, if not the children, were asleep in his bed? And let's not forget, he also told Tim that there was no laundry detergent in the house. Yet, up until that point, he never disputed Misty's story about washing clothes that night.

I'm trying to put myself in the position of coming home and finding my child is missing...wondering if I would note things like made/unmade beds or remembering details like no detergent. I think in the middle of the chaos, I would not be able to focus in on these details, but they might come to me later in "wait a minute!" moments. I think at first I would be accepting of what I was told by people I cared about.

 

[Chablis]

I'm trying to put myself in the position of coming home and finding my child is missing...wondering if I would note things like made/unmade beds or remembering details like no detergent. I think in the middle of the chaos, I would not be able to focus in on these details, but they might come to me later in "wait a minute!" moments. I think at first I would be accepting of what I was told by people I cared about.

But when does it kick in that your daughter is missing and you are recalling these lies and you get angry and kick them out of your life? Rons last free day on earth for 15 years, he was with Misty and she was calling him baby. Chelsea Croslin says these two had a habit of pretending they were not together, and really were, it seems Ron was insincere when he said to the cops, I let her go, go find my daughter, and he really didn't let her go. I would hate to think Ron just loved Misty so much he didn't care if she killed his little daughter.

 

[Emma Peel]

But when does it kick in that your daughter is missing and you are recalling these lies and you get angry and kick them out of your life? Rons last free day on earth for 15 years, he was with Misty and she was calling him baby. Chelsea Croslin says these two had a habit of pretending they were not together, and really were, it seems Ron was insincere when he said to the cops, I let her go, go find my daughter, and he really didn't let her go. I would hate to think Ron just loved Misty so much he didn't care if she killed his little daughter.

BBM & BIG by me . Just wanted to highlight that point up there in Chablis' post.

It's a puzzler, that behavior. Yup. Especially as immediately after Ron's last free day on earth for 15 years, TN visited Ron and posed the big questions: "Do you have something to tell me?" and "Do you think she'll talk?" along with the big compliment: "I'm so proud of you."

Crazy-making stuff from Jr. & Haleigh's loving dad. Makes no sense whatsoever. :crazy: I go :crazy: too, trying to make sense of his behavior.
(Not to mention, it's infuriating. :furious

In spite of trying for 20 some odd months, I can't figure out what the Cummings family is thinking - if the Cummings clan is innocent in the death of Haleigh. In my world, innocent people don't behave this way. :no:

Poor Haleigh.

As for the thread topic: If Misty were to lead LE to Haleigh ... IMO the trail would have to wind right through the Cummings family ... and Misty's own family too. And that's the problem.:snooty:

 

[Baznme]

I don't think LE bought the cinder block blocking the door for one second and the 'perp' conveniently leaving the kitchen light on or that someone came into the same room where Misty was, and took Haleigh out, and she just slept through it all, but conveniently wakes up about the time Ron is getting off work. I think LE knew Misty was blowing smoke pretty early on. They said that Misty's story did not line up with the physical evidence found in the home, iirc.

Ron wouldn't know what happened except what Misty was telling LE and him at that time.

No, sorry, Kant, I don't have the link handy. When LE said that it was when the case first was unfolding and that is going on 21 months now. I have no doubt they didn't know for sure about a lot of things at that time. However that has long passed, and I do think they know way more now.

This case has not stood still and what they may have thought then they no longer do about certain things, imo. It is a process of elimination and once certain things are verified they go onto something else.

So I don't pay much attention to what was said by LE months and months ago. If LE held a PC NOW........I certainly would take into consideration any current information they divulged. But old news I wouldn't.

IMO

They told his lawyer that he had dropped to the bottom of the list. Cant get any further down than the bottom.

IMO, Misty and Tommy were at the top and still are.

IMO

Seems to me you are relying on "old information" in this post within this very thread. Not trying to nit pick here but you seem to contradict yourself within a few posts of each other. Ron being at the bottom of the list was very early on. The "last we knew of" doesn't make it valid news today. If there is documentation in recent months to that affect, I would love to see it.

This makes a conversation very difficult when other posters are trying to stay on point.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Seems to me you are relying on "old information" in this post within this very thread. Not trying to nit pick here but you seem to contradict yourself within a few posts of each other. Ron being at the bottom of the list was very early on. The "last we knew of" doesn't make it valid news today. If there is documentation in recent months to that affect, I would love to see it.

This makes a conversation very difficult when other posters are trying to stay on point.

I am only conversing with other posters who do rely on Ron's attorney saying that he dropped to the bottom of the list over a year ago.

Do I rely on that? Absolutely not. There is nothing to show that Ron is even on a current 'list' now. Do I know his attorney said it over a year ago? Yes, but I certainly don't rely on it to form my opinion.

Now if LE holds a new PC and divulges what they have uncovered in their 20 month ongoing investigation then old news will mean nothing unless they re-verify it to be true.

imo

 

[Baznme]

I am only conversing with other posters who do rely on Ron's attorney saying that he dropped to the bottom of the list over a year ago.

Do I rely on that? Absolutely not. There is nothing to show that Ron is even on a current 'list' now. Do I know his attorney said it over a year ago? Yes, but I certainly don't rely on it to form my opinion.

Now if LE holds a new PC and divulges what they have uncovered in their 20 month ongoing investigation then old news will mean nothing unless they re-verify it to be true.

imo

I believe it's forthcoming and I think we're all going to be surprised.

 

[Lanie]

BBM & BIG by me . Just wanted to highlight that point up there in Chablis' post.

It's a puzzler, that behavior. Yup. Especially as immediately after Ron's last free day on earth for 15 years, TN visited Ron and posed the big questions: "Do you have something to tell me?" and "Do you think she'll talk?" along with the big compliment: "I'm so proud of you."

Crazy-making stuff from Jr. & Haleigh's loving dad. Makes no sense whatsoever. :crazy: I go :crazy: too, trying to make sense of his behavior.
(Not to mention, it's infuriating. :furious

In spite of trying for 20 some odd months, I can't figure out what the Cummings family is thinking - if the Cummings clan is innocent in the death of Haleigh. In my world, innocent people don't behave this way. :no:

Poor Haleigh.

As for the thread topic: If Misty were to lead LE to Haleigh ... IMO the trail would have to wind right through the Cummings family ... and Misty's own family too. And that's the problem.:snooty:

BBM

Unfortunately, there are a lot of people on this topic who insinuate those of us who think Ron isn't involved have some kind of infatuation or something with him. To me, if anything, it's the opposite. It's MOO most of us on this side do not credit Ron with being so powerful he is able to get LE and the Croslin family to risk their careers and freedom to cover for him. IMO, he's really not 'all that and a bag of chips.'

I spent a lot of time on the fence about Ron, and finally went to the side of he wasn't involved basically because I can explain more of what has happened that way, but it is still very difficult for me to come up with what I feel is a rational explanation for what you have posted that I bolded above.

I've tried hard to remove myself from what I would do and make it about what Ron, with what I know of his past behavior, would do, and IMO when LE got there they should have been prying his fingers from Misty's throat, but that's not what happened.

IMO, I think it is within Misty's power to lead LE to Haleigh, and even with the reports of Ron screaming things at Misty's family in jail, I still get the feeling he doesn't really think she's involved, and I don't get why. I don't see it happening, though, because IMO if Misty were to tell LE the truth, a 25 year drug sentence would be the least of her worries. My only hope at this point of this case being solved would be if Tommy wasn't involved more than periphally, and finally grows a conscience and comes clean on what he knows.

 

[Chablis]

Seems to me you are relying on "old information" in this post within this very thread. Not trying to nit pick here but you seem to contradict yourself within a few posts of each other. Ron being at the bottom of the list was very early on. The "last we knew of" doesn't make it valid news today. If there is documentation in recent months to that affect, I would love to see it.

This makes a conversation very difficult when other posters are trying to stay on point.

A statement being a year old, I just dont understand how its deemed not current, but oh well. I cant forget what Rons lawyer told the public compared to what the police told the public. It would be a terrible disservice to Haleigh Cummings.

 

[Lanie]

Seems to me you are relying on "old information" in this post within this very thread. Not trying to nit pick here but you seem to contradict yourself within a few posts of each other. Ron being at the bottom of the list was very early on. The "last we knew of" doesn't make it valid news today. If there is documentation in recent months to that affect, I would love to see it.

This makes a conversation very difficult when other posters are trying to stay on point.

JMOO, but the documentation to that effect would be all the stuff LE has said since then where they aren't questioning what Ron knows, aren't pointing out there are discrepancies in Ron's story, and aren't asking for information on what Ron was really doing as opposed to what he said he was doing. Other than that, I don't know what could be linked to to prove a negative.

 

[Baznme]

A statement being a year old, I just dont understand how its deemed not current, but oh well. I cant forget what Rons lawyer told the public compared to what the police told the public. It would be a terrible disservice to Haleigh Cummings.

That statement is about 17 months old IIRC......but, if it is all we have to go on, then we have to regard it as such. I agree. I don't believe attorneys. I do however, listen carefully to LE. Let's face it, the attorney will do whatever they can to represent their client.....truth or not.

 

[Baznme]

JMOO, but the documentation to that effect would be all the stuff LE has said since then where they aren't questioning what Ron knows, aren't pointing out there are discrepancies in Ron's story, and aren't asking for information on what Ron was really doing as opposed to what he said he was doing. Other than that, I don't know what could be linked to to prove a negative.

Exactly my point. They know. We don't and are left to speculation, link or not.

 

[cyberborg]

I do try to keep an open mind, & actually have several theories, that cover all the main players. My main theory is Tommy, but I've got Misty & Ron covered too. They ALL seem guilty, & with the limited information we have, a really good case could be made against any one of them. That's the problem. Tommy just sets off my creep meter, Misty is the logical choice, & Ron has the temper. I don't have a fear of being wrong, but if I am, I won't feel like I owe Tommy an appology, (I've been hard on him), because he's a liar & got himself into this mess. the same with the rest of this bunch. What's weird, is I hear about cases that drag on for years, where people don't talk, confess or snitch, but I'd never given the intensity of the investigations much thought, until I started keeping up with this 1. I don't see how Haleigh's loved ones have kept from losing their minds, & I don't see how this 'bunch of unusual people' can live with themselves, & I don't see how LE has kept from beating the **** out of every one of them. MOO.

BBM. I think that LE may have done this and more ... with the undercover drug sting. If they don't confess and seek deals then ... they got what they deserve in some regards since they have denied justice for HaLeigh and a respectful burial.

 

[cyberborg]

I am only conversing with other posters who do rely on Ron's attorney saying that he dropped to the bottom of the list over a year ago.

Do I rely on that? Absolutely not. There is nothing to show that Ron is even on a current 'list' now. Do I know his attorney said it over a year ago? Yes, but I certainly don't rely on it to form my opinion.

Now if LE holds a new PC and divulges what they have uncovered in their 20 month ongoing investigation then old news will mean nothing unless they re-verify it to be true.

imo

But that is pure speculation! I am confused? Are we basing this forum and these discussions on 'facts' no matter how old they are since they are the only statements we have or -- are we off into the realm of speculation and beliefs based on desires?

While everyone has a right to a personal opinion and speculation we are using that speculation as a basis to knock down known stated facts as moot -- to me thats where we cross the line. IMO

Thoughts?

 

[Chablis]

That statement is about 17 months old IIRC......but, if it is all we have to go on, then we have to regard it as such. I agree. I don't believe attorneys. I do however, listen carefully to LE. Let's face it, the attorney will do whatever they can to represent their client.....truth or not.

It was Sept 8, 2009 Shoemaker said that.

And I cant even believe Shoemaker revealed what the cops told him that they cant clear Ron, thats when I knew for sure the cops can mislead the public.

 

[cyberborg]

Misty signed the release for TJ Ward o August 24, 2009. I made "a huge mistake" and typed September 24th on the Q&A thread last night.

The fall of 2009 was a crucial point in this whole mess. From April through the end of July, while the DCF investigation was in process, things were pretty quiet in Putnam County. One only has to read through the media thread to see that. Everyone was keeping a pretty low profile. Once Ron was cleared by the DCG on July 16th, all hell broke loose. Some time around the end of July, Teresa called on Nejame for help, who in turn brought in Tim Miller. Recall, according to Tim Miller, that's when TN made the statement to Tim that Misty was ready to break. So, Tim arranged for the tests on behalf of the Cummings, and Misty submitted. They all went to Orlando for the tests, and Misty failed. One would think that the Cummings would be thankful to TM for his assistance, but instead they turned on him. Alleged that Tim wouldn't let Ron and Misty use their cell phones in Orlando and other nonsense. After trashing Misty for weeks -- just as you said, Suspicious -- Ron's lawyer announced that Ron was standing behind his wife. Naturally, Tim was PO'd, and that's when he let loose about the Cummings and the incident with Ron holding the rifle to his head, and saying that when he found out where Haleigh "was at", he'd kill Misty and himself, blah, blah.



Perspective:

August 6th, the big fight between Ron and the Croslins. Ron arrested for assault and battery.

August 12th, ratgate.

August 17th, PCSO press release:
(Also Haleigh's 6th birthday, btw)

August 23-24th, Misty takes a series of "truth tests"

August 26th, Tim Miller reveals that Misty failed the tests.

August 29th, LE conducts another search and interviews Tommy.

August 31st, Shoemaker makes public announcement that Ron stands behind Misty.

Meanwhile, during the month of August, Ron has revealed to Tim Miller that he is suspicious of Misty, questions her versions of events.

September 5th, LE interview Tim and Chelsea in Massachusetts About the same time, a sighting of Haleigh is reported in a WalMart in Massachusetts.

Later in September, Tommy is arrested for the gun theft. The Mondex pond is searched. Tommy tells LE Misty wasn't at the MH the night of Feb 9th when he went to check on her at Ron's request. Lisa is arrested for check forgery. NayNay's letter to her mother surfaces refuting allegations from Joe something-or-other that Haleigh OD'd at a party. And if that's not enough, some mysterious broad in "scrubs" delivers a letter to the newspaper in St. Augustine containing bogus information about Haleigh's burial site!!! WTF!!!

It's mind boggling. But I believe that if we would all stop arguing about who is guilty, and focus on the events of the fall of 2009 with open minds -- set aside our egos and our fear of being wrong -- we could come up with some real answers, and make a valid contribution toward finding justice for Haleigh.

:clap::clap::clap::clap:

Brilliant!!! This is what WS is all about, sleuthing the statements and reports from the media and analyzing it.

I agree completely and we should stick to the knowledgebase that we have and sleuth that and not veer off too far from that.

We need to focus on the events of the fall of 2009 with open minds...

I want justice for HaLeigh and for her to be brought home and laid to rest with respect, dignity and, love. I don't care who did it but we need to sleuth and find the answers and not inject our own perception to further our cause.

How does that help HaLeigh? We are here for HaLeigh ... not either family.

Where is HaLeigh?

 

[dodie20]

Misty signed the release for TJ Ward o August 24, 2009. I made "a huge mistake" and typed September 24th on the Q&A thread last night.

The fall of 2009 was a crucial point in this whole mess. From April through the end of July, while the DCF investigation was in process, things were pretty quiet in Putnam County. One only has to read through the media thread to see that. Everyone was keeping a pretty low profile. Once Ron was cleared by the DCG on July 16th, all hell broke loose. Some time around the end of July, Teresa called on Nejame for help, who in turn brought in Tim Miller. Recall, according to Tim Miller, that's when TN made the statement to Tim that Misty was ready to break. So, Tim arranged for the tests on behalf of the Cummings, and Misty submitted. They all went to Orlando for the tests, and Misty failed. One would think that the Cummings would be thankful to TM for his assistance, but instead they turned on him. Alleged that Tim wouldn't let Ron and Misty use their cell phones in Orlando and other nonsense. After trashing Misty for weeks -- just as you said, Suspicious -- Ron's lawyer announced that Ron was standing behind his wife. Naturally, Tim was PO'd, and that's when he let loose about the Cummings and the incident with Ron holding the rifle to his head, and saying that when he found out where Haleigh "was at", he'd kill Misty and himself, blah, blah.



Perspective:

August 6th, the big fight between Ron and the Croslins. Ron arrested for assault and battery.

August 12th, ratgate.

August 17th, PCSO press release:
(Also Haleigh's 6th birthday, btw)

August 23-24th, Misty takes a series of "truth tests"

August 26th, Tim Miller reveals that Misty failed the tests.

August 29th, LE conducts another search and interviews Tommy.

August 31st, Shoemaker makes public announcement that Ron stands behind Misty.

Meanwhile, during the month of August, Ron has revealed to Tim Miller that he is suspicious of Misty, questions her versions of events.

September 5th, LE interview Tim and Chelsea in Massachusetts About the same time, a sighting of Haleigh is reported in a WalMart in Massachusetts.

Later in September, Tommy is arrested for the gun theft. The Mondex pond is searched. Tommy tells LE Misty wasn't at the MH the night of Feb 9th when he went to check on her at Ron's request. Lisa is arrested for check forgery. NayNay's letter to her mother surfaces refuting allegations from Joe something-or-other that Haleigh OD'd at a party. And if that's not enough, some mysterious broad in "scrubs" delivers a letter to the newspaper in St. Augustine containing bogus information about Haleigh's burial site!!! WTF!!!

It's mind boggling. But I believe that if we would all stop arguing about who is guilty, and focus on the events of the fall of 2009 with open minds -- set aside our egos and our fear of being wrong -- we could come up with some real answers, and make a valid contribution toward finding justice for Haleigh.

also, I don't know the exact dates, but sometime around this, is when Misty & Donna had the road rage incident, Ron & TN went on the Maury Povich show,Misty did a couple of interviews, & GGS went to Vegas. Whew!

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I believe it's forthcoming and I think we're all going to be surprised.

I certainly hope and pray that there is going to be movement in Haleigh's case once Misty is sentenced next week.

But as far as being shocked that happens in any case where an arrest has not taken place yet where we have only been able to speculate with very few facts. Some surprises for some and others will not be surprised at all, imo.

Just the way it goes in cases like this.

IMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

But that is pure speculation! I am confused? Are we basing this forum and these discussions on 'facts' no matter how old they are since they are the only statements we have or -- are we off into the realm of speculation and beliefs based on desires?

While everyone has a right to a personal opinion and speculation we are using that speculation as a basis to knock down known stated facts as moot -- to me thats where we cross the line. IMO

Thoughts?

I don't know. I don't govern other people's opinions or what they do or what they want to base their opinions on. But personally for me, I just believe that the old news is irrelevant now in a 20 month long ongoing investigation.

To think it has remained exactly the same as it was over a year ago or more isn't logical to me.

imo

 

[dodie20]

BBM

Unfortunately, there are a lot of people on this topic who insinuate those of us who think Ron isn't involved have some kind of infatuation or something with him. To me, if anything, it's the opposite. It's MOO most of us on this side do not credit Ron with being so powerful he is able to get LE and the Croslin family to risk their careers and freedom to cover for him. IMO, he's really not 'all that and a bag of chips.'

I spent a lot of time on the fence about Ron, and finally went to the side of he wasn't involved basically because I can explain more of what has happened that way, but it is still very difficult for me to come up with what I feel is a rational explanation for what you have posted that I bolded above.

I've tried hard to remove myself from what I would do and make it about what Ron, with what I know of his past behavior, would do, and IMO when LE got there they should have been prying his fingers from Misty's throat, but that's not what happened.

IMO, I think it is within Misty's power to lead LE to Haleigh, and even with the reports of Ron screaming things at Misty's family in jail, I still get the feeling he doesn't really think she's involved, and I don't get why. I don't see it happening, though, because IMO if Misty were to tell LE the truth, a 25 year drug sentence would be the least of her worries. My only hope at this point of this case being solved would be if Tommy wasn't involved more than periphally, and finally grows a conscience and comes clean on what he knows.

I've also thought that maybe Ron really did trust Misty, & believed her, (can't figure out why), or maybe he knew what happened, & knew she wasn't guilty, or he didn't believe her, but felt partly responsible, for putting her in a bad situation. There are a lot of possibilities, of why he stood by her. I've also thought that his claim of keeping his enemies close, might not have been a reference to Misty but to her family.