If Misty were to lead LE to Haleigh....

[lonetraveler]

Yep, you are right Bessie....Ron told Tim Miller and Mark Nejame a totally different story about Misty and the night Haleigh went missing....IIRC, the Cummings are the ones who called Mark Nejame, who in turn called Tim Miller....Tim Miller gave Misty a series of tests, I'm not sure the exact day but I know it was somewhere between Aug. 15-Aug 26, 2009....on Aug. 26, Tim Miller annouced that Misty failed those tests....On Sept 13, 2009, Tim Miller tells us what Ron told him and what he thinks of Misty and Ron...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtQegfTOc4Q

Misty falied those tests....and Ron wanted Tim Miller to know that he did not believe Misty's account of what happened the night Haleigh disappeared....

HOWEVER.....

On August 31, this is what we heard from Ron's lawyer....



At this point Misty had failed numerous tests about what happened to Haleigh....and Ron still stands behind her...huh? until something else comes up? what? something else like what? a body?
Why would the Cummings urge Misty to take those tests.....and then not give thought to what the test revealed?
JMO of course

Excellent questions. Exactly, why would the Cummings urge Misty to take the test then immediately dismiss the results?

 

[cyberborg]

Yep, you are right Bessie....Ron told Tim Miller and Mark Nejame a totally different story about Misty and the night Haleigh went missing....IIRC, the Cummings are the ones who called Mark Nejame, who in turn called Tim Miller....Tim Miller gave Misty a series of tests, I'm not sure the exact day but I know it was somewhere between Aug. 15-Aug 26, 2009....on Aug. 26, Tim Miller annouced that Misty failed those tests....On Sept 13, 2009, Tim Miller tells us what Ron told him and what he thinks of Misty and Ron...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtQegfTOc4Q

Misty falied those tests....and Ron wanted Tim Miller to know that he did not believe Misty's account of what happened the night Haleigh disappeared....

HOWEVER.....

On August 31, this is what we heard from Ron's lawyer....



At this point Misty had failed numerous tests about what happened to Haleigh....and Ron still stands behind her...huh? until something else comes up? what? something else like what? a body?
Why would the Cummings urge Misty to take those tests.....and then not give thought to what the test revealed?
JMO of course

Yes ... this was a major curve ball for me that swung my head around 360 and then some.

On the one hand I was hopeful that in TN using MN and TM with the tests that there was a near-term break in the case.

Then the results were shared and while it confirmed fears that Misty was not telling the truth ... it was frustrating because it went nowhere.

Worse that that ... because of the bad press that Misty was getting I was flabbergasted to see both Ron and Misty united on TV trash talking TM and his methods.

How can you cause someone to break when you covertly do stuff yet publicly support them 100% in the media and trash talk the very person who was just trying to help you.

Talk about mixed messages or a double agent ... I sympathize for TM and how he gets sucked into these cases in Florida as an angel who just wants to bring justice for the child and ... the guilty parents proceed to jerk him around. Guilty is as guilty does.

I am glad that TM is going to stick with what he does best and leave these families to their devious ways.

 

[cyberborg]

I don't know. I don't govern other people's opinions or what they do or what they want to base their opinions on. But personally for me, I just believe that the old news is irrelevant now in a 20 month long ongoing investigation.

To think it has remained exactly the same as it was over a year ago or more isn't logical to me.

imo

It may not be logical, I agree but we have no updates.

To me, it isn't any better to knock down prior known LE / Defense / MSM statements based on one opinion only.

We simply don't know. We can definitely express what we hope or our own personal opinion but I do think we cross the line when we use our own speculation to knock down prior known facts as moot and move on with the opinion as new fact.

There are two sides of any coin so I can just as credibly argue that Ron is back at the top of the LE suspect list and LE are using the 'plea deal' to send a message to Misty and cause her to break, etc, etc so they can indict Ron. Who knows?

Maybe I do believe that as an opinion but I am not going to use my opinion to dispell known facts, no matter how dated. That's my rumor. We go back to the facts until we get updates.

It takes us into dangerous ground IMO and we lose sight of what is credible versus self-created rumor ... we are creating urban myths and not everyone in this forum has followed the case from day one and read every thread and every post.

We are misleading members with our own self-created 'facts'. IMO

 

[kant]

Originally Posted by cyberborg
But that is pure speculation! I am confused? Are we basing this forum and these discussions on 'facts' no matter how old they are since they are the only statements we have or -- are we off into the realm of speculation and beliefs based on desires?

While everyone has a right to a personal opinion and speculation we are using that speculation as a basis to knock down known stated facts as moot -- to me thats where we cross the line. IMO

Thoughts?

I don't know. I don't govern other people's opinions or what they do or what they want to base their opinions on. But personally for me, I just believe that the old news is irrelevant now in a 20 month long ongoing investigation.

To think it has remained exactly the same as it was over a year ago or more isn't logical to me.

imo

bbm

I like to try to follow all the divergent trains of thought by posters and I'm trying to understand what you mean regarding the irrelevance of old news; but if old news includes verifiable facts, then I'm lost. Maybe you're referring to something else and it flew over my head.

I guess I'm confused on what you're saying.

Is there an example, so maybe then I'd get it? It's a sincere question. I'm trying to follow what you mean.

tia

 

[Nonni Brenda]

It may not be logical, I agree but we have no updates.

To me, it isn't any better to knock down prior known LE / Defense / MSM statements based on one opinion only.

We simply don't know. We can definitely express what we hope or our own personal opinion but I do think we cross the line when we use our own speculation to knock down prior known facts as moot and move on with the opinion as new fact.

There are two sides of any coin so I can just as credibly argue that Ron is back at the top of the LE suspect list and LE are using the 'plea deal' to send a message to Misty and cause her to break, etc, etc so they can indict Ron. Who knows?

Maybe I do believe that as an opinion but I am not going to use my opinion to dispell known facts, no matter how dated. That's my rumor. We go back to the facts until we get updates.

It takes us into dangerous ground IMO and we lose sight of what is credible versus self-created rumor ... we are creating urban myths and not everyone in this forum has followed the case from day one and read every thread and every post.

We are misleading members with our own self-created 'facts'. IMO

I agree totally with you Cy. When we have been given facts, and no new facts come out to contradict the previous fact, It's ok to speculate, because we don't have anything else. But...we can't let that speculatation replace facts that have been given. That just doesn't make sense , and seems irresponsible to me. :waitasec:

 

[Lanie]

bbm

I like to try to follow all the divergent trains of thought by posters and I'm trying to understand what you mean regarding the irrelevance of old news; but if old news includes verifiable facts, then I'm lost. Maybe you're referring to something else and it flew over my head.

I guess I'm confused on what you're saying.

Is there an example, so maybe then I'd get it? It's a sincere question. I'm trying to follow what you mean.

tia

This isn't directed at me, but here's my :twocents: on it anyway.

At the beginning, Crystal Sheffield AND her family were being looked into. At some point, LE even searched and dug up a portion of land where they lived, finding animal bones. Later on, LE stated Crystal (and Ron) were not persons of interest...or suspects, or something along that line, I don't remember exactly what at this point. Anyway, I don't remember LE saying anything like that about the rest of Crystal's family, and since, in all this time, this family hasn't really been brought up by LE anymore in context with Haleigh's disappearance, it seems kind of safe to assume at this time LE is not really looking at them as being involved.

For some time, it has been Misty, Misty, Misty, and Tommy, Tommy, Tommy, with a little bit of Ron thrown in, so, searching and digging up the Griffis/Sheffield area looking for evidence (old news), while a fact, IMO, is moot at this point.

 

[kant]

This isn't directed at me, but here's my :twocents: on it anyway.

At the beginning, Crystal Sheffield AND her family were being looked into. At some point, LE even searched and dug up a portion of land where they lived, finding animal bones. Later on, LE stated Crystal (and Ron) were not persons of interest...or suspects, or something along that line, I don't remember exactly what at this point. Anyway, I don't remember LE saying anything like that about the rest of Crystal's family, and since, in all this time, this family hasn't really been brought up by LE anymore in context with Haleigh's disappearance, it seems kind of safe to assume at this time LE is not really looking at them as being involved.

For some time, it has been Misty, Misty, Misty, and Tommy, Tommy, Tommy, with a little bit of Ron thrown in, so, searching and digging up the Griffis/Sheffield area looking for evidence (old news), while a fact, IMO, is moot at this point.

Thanks for the input

But I still dont understand. Maybe my ponytail is too tight or my tinfoil hat is on crooked.

I guess Im stuck on this;

For example, if such and such people are eliminated for whatever verifiable reason, early in the case or whenever - then there are X less people in the possible suspect pool; To me this seems relevant at any time.

moo

 

[cyberborg]

This isn't directed at me, but here's my :twocents: on it anyway.

At the beginning, Crystal Sheffield AND her family were being looked into. At some point, LE even searched and dug up a portion of land where they lived, finding animal bones. Later on, LE stated Crystal (and Ron) were not persons of interest...or suspects, or something along that line, I don't remember exactly what at this point. Anyway, I don't remember LE saying anything like that about the rest of Crystal's family, and since, in all this time, this family hasn't really been brought up by LE anymore in context with Haleigh's disappearance, it seems kind of safe to assume at this time LE is not really looking at them as being involved.

For some time, it has been Misty, Misty, Misty, and Tommy, Tommy, Tommy, with a little bit of Ron thrown in, so, searching and digging up the Griffis/Sheffield area looking for evidence (old news), while a fact, IMO, is moot at this point.

Good analogy that works in the case of Griffis/Sheffield but does not work for Ron IMO.

Ron has very much been in the news recently, as being busted for drug trafficking, being in jail, videos from jail, a plea deal and, a very recent sentence and trip to prison.

Ron has shared info with LE and there is a back and forth between the core folks, i.e., Ron, Tommy and, Misty.

Tommy has made some statements to LE that are currently being investigated and Tommy is still in town, so to speak ... so may still be involved in on-going investigation.

It has just been announced, today, that Misty's sentencing has been pushed back into 2011 so that speaks volumes as to something is going on there.

Ron has been moved onto his new home in prison but based on his plea deal and recent statements to LE has caused all of these recent developments to occur IMO.

So ... I would not consider Ron's status as to whether he is a POI or Suspect to be old news at all ... in fact it is very current since if he has a plea deal has his status changed?

I would think that if there was good news about a change in Ron's status then LE would share that with Shoemaker and Shoemaker would be on NG tonight as a 'bombshell' development that Ron is now cleared.

Inquiring minds want to know what Ron's status is and there is no news ... compelling.

 

[Lanie]

Thanks for the input

But I still dont understand. Maybe my ponytail is too tight or my tinfoil hat is on crooked.

I guess Im stuck on this;

For example, if such and such people are eliminated for whatever verifiable reason, early in the case or whenever - then there are X less people in the possible suspect pool; To me this seems relevant at any time.

moo

Again, just my :twocents:.

My example was not to say people being eliminated as suspects was irrelevant. It was to illustrate LE apparently thought the possibility was strong enough Crystal and/or her family did something to Haleigh to dig up quite a bit of their property, but since Crystal and/or her family have not been mentioned in any context as being of interest to LE in such a long time, it is probably safe to assume, the digging up of the property notwithstanding, LE no longer considers them as strong of suspects as they did way back then. So for someone to say Crystal and her family are still rating top of the list of people who did something to Haleigh because their property was dug up, and LE is just keeping it close to the vest and saying all this stuff about Misty to cover up who they are really suspecting, is not something some people are going to find plausible.

So the point of my example was it is a fact the property was dug up and searched, but that doesn't seem to have any relevance anymore, as LE does not seem to be looking into this family now, or for some time.

Or how about this: LE looked into all the SO's in the area when Haleigh went missing. They don't seem to be following that theory anymore, and while they have said they believe Haleigh was abducted by people known to Misty and/or Ron, they have never, TMK, come out and directly said they have ruled out SO's, and then repeated that every time they give an interview. So, I, for one, do not believe SO's are LE's main avenue of inquiry.

 

[Lanie]

Good analogy that works in the case of Griffis/Sheffield but does not work for Ron IMO.

Ron has very much been in the news recently, as being busted for drug trafficking, being in jail, videos from jail, a plea deal and, a very recent sentence and trip to prison.

Ron has shared info with LE and there is a back and forth between the core folks, i.e., Ron, Tommy and, Misty.

Tommy has made some statements to LE that are currently being investigated and Tommy is still in town, so to speak ... so may still be involved in on-going investigation.

It has just been announced, today, that Misty's sentencing has been pushed back into 2011 so that speaks volumes as to something is going on there.

Ron has been moved onto his new home in prison but based on his plea deal and recent statements to LE has caused all of these recent developments to occur IMO.

So ... I would not consider Ron's status as to whether he is a POI or Suspect to be old news at all ... in fact it is very current since if he has a plea deal has his status changed?

I would think that if there was good news about a change in Ron's status then LE would share that with Shoemaker and Shoemaker would be on NG tonight as a 'bombshell' development that Ron is now cleared.

Inquiring minds want to know what Ron's status is and there is no news ... compelling.

I wasn't addressing Ron's status as a suspect, I was more addressing just because LE at one time looked into Misty not being at the MH doesn't mean they are still stuck on that. IMO, Misty has all kinds of things she could be lying about inclucing but not exclusive to being at the MH.

As far as the rest of it, I couldn't care less if Ron WAS involved, I just can't find a way I think is believable to stick him in it. I really, really hope Tommy and/or Misty are talking to LE and telling the d**m truth, and Haleigh is found, or at least it comes out what really happened to that precious baby. Personally, I'd volunteer to smack the truth out of any of these people, if LE was willing to let me. I just want Haleigh found, and the persons responsible for what happened to her to be locked up forever, even if it involves every last one of them.

 

[lonetraveler]

Yes ... this was a major curve ball for me that swung my head around 360 and then some.

On the one hand I was hopeful that in TN using MN and TM with the tests that there was a near-term break in the case.

Then the results were shared and while it confirmed fears that Misty was not telling the truth ... it was frustrating because it went nowhere.

Worse that that ... because of the bad press that Misty was getting I was flabbergasted to see both Ron and Misty united on TV trash talking TM and his methods.

How can you cause someone to break when you covertly do stuff yet publicly support them 100% in the media and trash talk the very person who was just trying to help you.

Talk about mixed messages or a double agent ... I sympathize for TM and how he gets sucked into these cases in Florida as an angel who just wants to bring justice for the child and ... the guilty parents proceed to jerk him around. Guilty is as guilty does.

I am glad that TM is going to stick with what he does best and leave these families to their devious ways.

The Cummings side of the family probably dismissed the test results and slammed Tim Miller after the tests showed that Misty was not sure when answering the questions about Ronald's possible involvement in Haleigh's disappearance. After the publishing of the Poly, the Leveled Voice Analysis and the (attempted0 hypnosis, Tim Miller became the villian. I don't think they heard what they wanted to hear or else they found out something that they did not want out and had to try to discredit the source.

 

[dodie20]

The Cummings side of the family probably dismissed the test results and slammed Tim Miller after the tests showed that Misty was not sure when answering the questions about Ronald's possible involvement in Haleigh's disappearance. After the publishing of the Poly, the Leveled Voice Analysis and the (attempted0 hypnosis, Tim Miller became the villian. I don't think they heard what they wanted to hear or else they found out something that they did not want out and had to try to discredit the source.

exactly...& the fact that none of them, even though they've turned on Misty, are speaking out about those tests, adds to what you've just said. They don't talk about them, because they point to Ron's involvement.

 

[suspicious1]

The Cummings side of the family probably dismissed the test results and slammed Tim Miller after the tests showed that Misty was not sure when answering the questions about Ronald's possible involvement in Haleigh's disappearance. After the publishing of the Poly, the Leveled Voice Analysis and the (attempted0 hypnosis, Tim Miller became the villian. I don't think they heard what they wanted to hear or else they found out something that they did not want out and had to try to discredit the source.

Good thinking, Lone....The cummings came back and did a 360 on Miller after those test results came out....

What really stood out to me is the fact that Tim Miller&Co even asked Misty about Ron's involvement.....maybe they suspected that Ron knew alot more than what he led on....and they had the opportunity to find out.....Tim Miller knew something wasn't right back in February....

IMO, the Cummings knew Misty would fail those tests....and I believe that's why they would "go against her" behind the scenes....and it would explain why even having those test results Ron continued to support her...as long as Misty went along with the plan...IMO, they promised to support and stand behind her....because she was doing something for them....why else?
Didn't Tim Miller say that LE wanted to subpoena the test results? and Misty and Ron comes out saying that Misty was "pressured" into taking those tests....Somebody must've thought if LE subpoena the records from Tim Miller...those test results would reveal something that they didn't want LE to know about...

JMO of course

Wasn't up until those tests we had never heard Misty mention GMSykes being there with the "aunt"?

 

[kant]

Again, just my :twocents:.

My example was not to say people being eliminated as suspects was irrelevant. It was to illustrate LE apparently thought the possibility was strong enough Crystal and/or her family did something to Haleigh to dig up quite a bit of their property, but since Crystal and/or her family have not been mentioned in any context as being of interest to LE in such a long time, it is probably safe to assume, the digging up of the property notwithstanding, LE no longer considers them as strong of suspects as they did way back then. So for someone to say Crystal and her family are still rating top of the list of people who did something to Haleigh because their property was dug up, and LE is just keeping it close to the vest and saying all this stuff about Misty to cover up who they are really suspecting, is not something some people are going to find plausible.

So the point of my example was it is a fact the property was dug up and searched, but that doesn't seem to have any relevance anymore, as LE does not seem to be looking into this family now, or for some time.

Or how about this: LE looked into all the SO's in the area when Haleigh went missing. They don't seem to be following that theory anymore, and while they have said they believe Haleigh was abducted by people known to Misty and/or Ron, they have never, TMK, come out and directly said they have ruled out SO's, and then repeated that every time they give an interview. So, I, for one, do not believe SO's are LE's main avenue of inquiry.

Thanks for bearing with my annoying inquiries and i'll stop belaboring

Ok Im following more in that what I pulled from this part, using the example, is that digging up the griffith/sheffield dirt is technically old news. (Ok i follow that) and that nothing of substance related to Haleigh's case was found (Ok i got that) and it seems we are agreeing, - not that we have to - but it seems we agree on that element of the irrelevant aspect or moot or whatever word we're using to refer to things such as the dug up dirt that proved to be unrelated to anything substantive. The part where the intial poster lost me, if we want to use your example for illustration and convenience, was that facts, facts, however "old" are not irrelevant, imo. So LE dig up the yard, or have it dug up -as the case may be, etc. but that is not news that is noteworthy for me since the conclusion already suggested that there
s nothing there

Further, LE conducts whatever tasks at hand, following clues that are known to them, tips, hinky things, and investigating any other factors that lead LE to do whatever they do to discover information to include or exclude folks and come to certain conclusions about pieces of the puzzle (aspects of a case).

So using that example, having done the legwork and whatnot, they deem Crystal, for example, (or whoever) suitable to be a solid addition to the cleared/non-suspect list. For me, even tho THAT part (the conclusion part) is relevant at any stage, imo, the tasks, clues, evidence, information that lead to that conclusion are not of primary importance. The result is the significant part imo. It's like... here's the hamburger; I dont necessarily need to know how it's made every time I see a hamburger, especially after I've already read one time how it's made and was satisfied with the description of the process. Iow, various results get unearthed and verified; and they are significant to me regardless of when they came to fruition. I dont need to rehash the whole process in order to appreciate the significane of the result.

moo

 

[cyberborg]

The Cummings side of the family probably dismissed the test results and slammed Tim Miller after the tests showed that Misty was not sure when answering the questions about Ronald's possible involvement in Haleigh's disappearance. After the publishing of the Poly, the Leveled Voice Analysis and the (attempted0 hypnosis, Tim Miller became the villian. I don't think they heard what they wanted to hear or else they found out something that they did not want out and had to try to discredit the source.

Great point! I did not think of the tests in terms of it having quite the opposite to the desired effect. Rather than crack Misty and put her under the bus it raised new questions about Ron -- when they were trying to get out from under the spotlight.

So ... they tricked Misty (us) once again by coming out in support of Misty and trash talking TM and the tests when what they were really doing was defending Ron.

Misty went along with it because she thought the Cummings were correcting the record and defending her.

Very clever.

 

[lonetraveler]

Good thinking, Lone....The cummings came back and did a 360 on Miller after those test results came out....

What really stood out to me is the fact that Tim Miller&Co even asked Misty about Ron's involvement.....maybe they suspected that Ron knew alot more than what he led on....and they had the opportunity to find out.....Tim Miller knew something wasn't right back in February....

IMO, the Cummings knew Misty would fail those tests....and I believe that's why they would "go against her" behind the scenes....and it would explain why even having those test results Ron continued to support her...as long as Misty went along with the plan...IMO, they promised to support and stand behind her....because she was doing something for them....why else?
Didn't Tim Miller say that LE wanted to subpoena the test results? and Misty and Ron comes out saying that Misty was "pressured" into taking those tests....Somebody must've thought if LE subpoena the records from Tim Miller...those test results would reveal something that they didn't want LE to know about...

JMO of course

Wasn't up until those tests we had never heard Misty mention GMSykes being there with the "aunt"?

Yep, during the voice analysis test Misty belted out her rehearsed script and "remembered" to include that visit from GMSykes and the aunt. She had to correct the omission in the earlier interviews.

 

[Lanie]

Thanks for bearing with my annoying inquiries and i'll stop belaboring

Ok Im following more in that what I pulled from this part, using the example, is that digging up the griffith/sheffield dirt is technically old news. (Ok i follow that) and that nothing of substance related to Haleigh's case was found (Ok i got that) and it seems we are agreeing, - not that we have to - but it seems we agree on that element of the irrelevant aspect or moot or whatever word we're using to refer to things such as the dug up dirt that proved to be unrelated to anything substantive. The part where the intial poster lost me, if we want to use your example for illustration and convenience, was that facts, facts, however "old" are not irrelevant, imo. So LE dig up the yard, or have it dug up -as the case may be, etc. but that is not news that is noteworthy for me since the conclusion already suggested that there
s nothing there

Further, LE conducts whatever tasks at hand, following clues that are known to them, tips, hinky things, and investigating any other factors that lead LE to do whatever they do to discover information to include or exclude folks and come to certain conclusions about pieces of the puzzle (aspects of a case).

So using that example, having done the legwork and whatnot, they deem Crystal, for example, (or whoever) suitable to be a solid addition to the cleared/non-suspect list. For me, even tho THAT part (the conclusion part) is relevant at any stage, imo, the tasks, clues, evidence, information that lead to that conclusion are not of primary importance. The result is the significant part imo. It's like... here's the hamburger; I dont necessarily need to know how it's made every time I see a hamburger, especially after I've already read one time how it's made and was satisfied with the description of the process. Iow, various results get unearthed and verified; and they are significant to me regardless of when they came to fruition. I dont need to rehash the whole process in order to appreciate the significane of the result.

moo

First, I don't find your inquiries annoying at all.

What I am trying to say is, at least in my opinion, one incident last year gives an idea of what LE was looking at last year, but doesn't necessarily mean that is what LE is looking at today. In my example, LE, I would hope, dug up that property because at that time they felt it was reasonable to suspect those people, and not because they just had nothing better to do. And yes, while it is possible these people are still at the top of the list, and everything since then has been a smokescreen to deflect everyone from what they are really looking at, and any day now one of these people are going to be arrested and charged with Haleigh's murder, at least to me, this seems like too much of a stretch to be believable.

So this search is something I now consider irrelevant, because I don't think not finding anything is what made LE put their main focus on other people.

 

[cyberborg]

Based on recent discussion we have something very significant that has been supported by more than one example.

Premise:

1. Ron publicly supports Misty 100% and has repeated this over time no matter what the scrutiny or failed tests -- until Misty is indicted Ron supports her. Why?

2. Ron and TN privately bad mouth Misty and tried to engineer to throw Misty under the bus, e.g., TM tests. Why?

3. Ron and TN have a fallback position that publicly defends Misty 100% and sings her praises. Why?

4. Misty welcomes the support of the Cummings, expects the support and, gets it whenever the spotlight falls on them. Why?

Conclusions:

1. Misty has something major on the Cummings (Ron?) that has the Cummings scared and willing to support her.

2. Ron and TN want to get out from under this threat/extortion so want to covertly throw Misty under the bus and remove it, blame her.

3. Ron and TN cannot address the threat through normal legal means and need to do so without causing the house of cards to fall on them. They are trying to trick Misty/Croslins into taking the fall.

Questions:

1. What does Misty have on Ron that if she was primarily involved in the demise of HaLeigh that the Cummings cannot simply go direct to LE?

2. What does Ron have on Misty that they can control her and keep her likewise quiet regardless of the severity of the crime(s)?

The covert and overt actions of Misty and Ron over and over again clearly illustrate that they have something on each other and if one goes down they risk that both go down together.

 

[suspicious1]

Great point! I did not think of the tests in terms of it having quite the opposite to the desired effect. Rather than crack Misty and put her under the bus it raised new questions about Ron -- when they were trying to get out from under the spotlight.

So ... they tricked Misty (us) once again by coming out in support of Misty and trash talking TM and the tests when what they were really doing was defending Ron.

Misty went along with it because she thought the Cummings were correcting the record and defending her.

Very clever.

Clever.....yes indeed.....and their cleverness has led to this case not being solved, IMO....

I think we all agree that Misty couldn't have pulled this off alone.....she had help....someone has been clever enough to hold off LE, FBI, and the FDLE....for almost two years.....IMO, that doesn't fit the Croslins...

 

[suspicious1]

Based on recent discussion we have something very significant that has been supported by more than one example.

Premise:

1. Ron publicly supports Misty 100% and has repeated this over time no matter what the scrutiny or failed tests -- until Misty is indicted Ron supports her. Why?

2. Ron and TN privately bad mouth Misty and tried to engineer to throw Misty under the bus, e.g., TM tests. Why?

3. Ron and TN have a fallback position that publicly defends Misty 100% and sings her praises. Why?

4. Misty welcomes the support of the Cummings, expects the support and, gets it whenever the spotlight falls on them. Why?

Conclusions:

1. Misty has something major on the Cummings (Ron?) that has the Cummings scared and willing to support her.

2. Ron and TN want to get out from under this threat/extortion so want to covertly throw Misty under the bus and remove it, blame her.

3. Ron and TN cannot address the threat through normal legal means and need to do so without causing the house of cards to fall on them. They are trying to trick Misty/Croslins into taking the fall.

Questions:

1. What does Misty have on Ron that if she was primarily involved in the demise of HaLeigh that the Cummings cannot simply go direct to LE?

2. What does Ron have on Misty that they can control her and keep her likewise quiet regardless of the severity of the crime(s)?

The covert and overt actions of Misty and Ron over and over again clearly illustrate that they have something on each other and if one goes down they risk that both go down together.

Well said! This right here is my post of the day....definitely....IMO, this has been the angle from day one.....

And now just think...since Misty has been locked up....Teresa is publicly bad-mouthing Misty.....she wants Misty to hang in public....IMO, their secret was no longer safe....Just like we knew...IMO, the Cummings knew too...that when Misty got locked up LE had her "right where they wanted her"...the truth was bound to come out....the Cummings just didn't know when.....and I think it's coming soon to a television near you.....LOL