If Misty were to lead LE to Haleigh....

[Lanie]

Lanie, I apologize. Sometimes I don't explain what I mean very well. I'm not looking for proof, all I am saying is a lot more has come out since the first time RC's attorney first stated he was at the bottom of the list. RC's behavior alone has changed any chance of my believing that and I believe a lot of other people feel that same way. To rely on what his attorney has said about his status means nothing to me. He's doing his job. When LE says they've ruled out no one, that means something to me. I hope that makes it clearer as to what my thought was on that.

No apology necessary, Baznme. We have different viewpoints, but you are just as entitled to yours as I am mine, and you are just as entitled to try to change my mind as I am to try and change yours.

BBM

I agree a lot has changed, including LE stating Ron and Crystal were not suspects. Ron's story from the beginning has been he was at work, and to date, nothing has been released to the public to say his story has changed. Misty's attorney and Tommy's attorney have both stated their clients aren't involved. Misty's story from the beginning was Haleigh was there when she went to sleep, and Haleigh was gone when she woke up. The only thing that hasn't changed about her story from the beginning is she still says she was there. Tommy's story, if he even had one at the beginning, was he wasn't there. Last I heard, he's going with Cousin Joe to throw Haleigh in the river.

My theory LE is investigating Misty is backed up by LE press releases, and even court transcripts, as an officer testified at her sentencing hearing he asked her to take him to Haleigh's body. My link would be the timeline and media report thread in here, pages 20? through 61 or so.

I just don't get how Misty comes off as an innocent puppet in all this, especially with posts on this thread encouraging her to produce Haleigh's body.

 

[kant]

Originally Posted by Baznme
Lanie, I apologize. Sometimes I don't explain what I mean very well. I'm not looking for proof, all I am saying is a lot more has come out since the first time RC's attorney first stated he was at the bottom of the list. RC's behavior alone has changed any chance of my believing that and I believe a lot of other people feel that same way. To rely on what his attorney has said about his status means nothing to me. He's doing his job. When LE says they've ruled out no one, that means something to me. I hope that makes it clearer as to what my thought was on that.

No apology necessary, Baznme. We have different viewpoints, but you are just as entitled to yours as I am mine, and you are just as entitled to try to change my mind as I am to try and change yours.

BBM

I agree a lot has changed, including LE stating Ron and Crystal were not suspects. Ron's story from the beginning has been he was at work, and to date, nothing has been released to the public to say his story has changed. Misty's attorney and Tommy's attorney have both stated their clients aren't involved. Misty's story from the beginning was Haleigh was there when she went to sleep, and Haleigh was gone when she woke up. The only thing that hasn't changed about her story from the beginning is she still says she was there. Tommy's story, if he even had one at the beginning, was he wasn't there. Last I heard, he's going with Cousin Joe to throw Haleigh in the river.

My theory LE is investigating Misty is backed up by LE press releases, and even court transcripts, as an officer testified at her sentencing hearing he asked her to take him to Haleigh's body. My link would be the timeline and media report thread in here, pages 20? through 61 or so.

I just don't get how Misty comes off as an innocent puppet in all this, especially with posts on this thread encouraging her to produce Haleigh's body.

color & bbm

That part in red sums the issue up for me in a nutshell.

I mean when I think about the role of a defense attorney, my mind flashes to, for example, closing statements, arguments in court. Convince the jury. Pull out all the stops in defense of the client. It's not unusual to hear fervent contentions of denial of guilt and /or other assertions - depending on the case and the situation - but nevertheless, they're made in favor of the client.

moo

 

[Lanie]

color & bbm

That part in red sums the issue up for me in a nutshell.

I mean when I think about the role of a defense attorney, my mind flashes to, for example, closing statements, arguments in court. Convince the jury. Pull out all the stops in defense of the client. It's not unusual to hear fervent contentions of denial of guilt and /or other assertions - depending on the case and the situation - but nevertheless, they're made in favor of the client.

moo

What about what LE says?

 

[Bathbuddys]

Kimster, IMO, I really don't think Misty knows where haleigh's body is....she may think she knows....in the LDT she was asked if she knew where Haleigh was and she failed that question...she was asked if she knew who took Haleigh and the test showed that she was not sure.....how can you not be sure who took Haleigh but know where Haleigh is? IMO, the only way I see that happening is if someone "told" Misty where Haleigh was and Misty accepted it as the truth....

It is my opinion that if Misty was trying to implicate Ron and they didn't want to hear it...it is only because LE is interested in hearing about someone else's involvement, maybe that surprise person of interest we heard about..IMO, Misty has not told the whole story...and LE knows this....LE has even stated that Misty may not be THE KEY but she has some key answers as to what happened to Haleigh....so if she is not THE KEY....who is? I don't think LE suspect that Misty killed Haleigh....but they do know that Misty holds some valuable information that can be used to help build their case against someone else....my money is still on Teresa

JMO of course

where in the world did you read the LDT questions and answers as I have not read them yet, please tell me where the link is... thanks in advance.

 

[Emeralgem]

Better yet, why would the Cummings urge Misty to take the test at all if they were in on the secret? Things had been quiet, so why stir the pot? If they had something to hide, why risk exposure by having Misty's veracity put to the test, three tests?

It's been argued that Misty was told to follow a script, and that the Cummings insisted on being nearby during the tests to ensure she didn't stray from it. But, if they knew it was a script, they also knew the tests would reveal that she was lying. Why would they want that to happen? And why risk Misty becoming unnerved and blurting out something that she shouldn't? Just to make her look like a liar? Well, LE already thought she was a liar, and Ron had his work alibi. Why not let it stand at that? It makes no sense.

If they were in on it, they had to know the failed tests would cast doubt on the whole situation and everyone involved, including Ron, and draw the attention of LE. Which apparently it did. After a long period of silence from LE, the investigation suddenly became very active immediately following "the tests", the crucible, as it were.

That's why I've thought for quite some time that the Cummings did not know the truth about what happened to Haleigh. Misty lied and convinced them that what happened was in some way Ron's fault. There was no time for questions that night. A hasty decision was made to accept Misty's story at face value and rush to cover it up. To uphold Ron's alibi, a plan had to be in place before he returned home from work. But as time passed the Cummings' suspicions grew, and as soon as the DCF cleared Ron, they came out of hiding and took measures to get the truth from Misty.

That's one explanation. Are there others?

If Ron is responsible for Haleigh's death, and the Cummings, collectively, have known it all along, why would they risk exposure by submitting Misty to "tests" that would reveal her deception, and by reflection, cast suspicion on Ron and themselves?

IMHO.. I suspect the Cummings/Neves Sykes clan had to stir the pot because it was ready to boil over...A fight, headless rat, not to mention attempts to balckmail for drugs, they knew they could no longer count on any of the Crosllins to keep the secret...And since the Croslins were stoooopid enough in the first place to go along with Ronald Cummings plan, never realizing they were being set up, Cummings and crew knew the time was right to revv up that bus to take em all down......JMHO...

 

[bessie]

IMHO.. I suspect the Cummings/Neves Sykes clan had to stir the pot because it was ready to boil over...A fight, headless rat, not to mention attempts to balckmail for drugs, they knew they could no longer count on any of the Crosllins to keep the secret...And since the Croslins were stoooopid enough in the first place to go along with Ronald Cummings plan, never realizing they were being set up, Cummings and crew knew the time was right to revv up that bus to take em all down......JMHO...

Take'em all down is right. Seems pretty dumb to rev up a bus when you're tied to the back of it. lol

I do agree it might've been a defensive action, because that's the only explanation that makes sense. No one who is hiding criminal actions invites LE to come snooping around unless there's a good reason. And sometimes it's true that a good offense really is the best defense to stave off a blow you know is coming. My ideas about their motives differ from yours a bit, but I'm not ready to share them just yet. When I do, I'll post it in the General Theories thread because I've tried the mods' patience already by going OT in this thread. :ashamed0005:

 

[bessie]

where in the world did you read the LDT questions and answers as I have not read them yet, please tell me where the link is... thanks in advance.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/topstories/news-article.aspx?storyid=143962&catid=3

 

[suspicious1]

where in the world did you read the LDT questions and answers as I have not read them yet, please tell me where the link is... thanks in advance.

They're around here somewhere....I don't have time to search for them....but if you haven't seen them.....they are worth taking a look at...JMO

Maybe you should search the media links....

ETA: I just saw Bessie's post...there is one link for you....There's another one somewhere.

 

[kant]

What about what LE says?

What has LE said?

tia

 

[Emeralgem]

where in the world did you read the LDT questions and answers as I have not read them yet, please tell me where the link is... thanks in advance.

Some results to the LVA she took were also released, and they reveal even more...
I believe they can be found at artharris.com

JMHO

 

[bessie]

Some results to the LVA she took were also released, and they reveal even more...
I believe they can be found at artharris.com

JMHO

http://www.artharris.com/2009/09/06/exclusive-misty-cummings-voice-stress-report/

 

[my_tee_mouse]

http://www.artharris.com/2009/09/06/exclusive-misty-cummings-voice-stress-report/

Interesting snips in that article* :

“We think she’s scared to death of Ronald and what he might do to her if he finds out what she knows, or she reveals what she knows,” a top law enforcement official tells me in an exclusive interview.

But Terry Shoemaker, Ronald’s new attorney says that despite the negative blow back from the tests like the LVA she took voluntarily, her husband stands behind Misty 100 percent, reported News4Jax.com.

“He has no reason not to believe his wife at this point, and he’s going to stand by her until something else comes up,” Shoemaker said, according to the Web site.

But cops tell me they aren’t buying Misty the victim. “She’s as manipulative as they get,” confides one investigator.

“During our interview, she was definitely playing the victim,” says Ward:. “She tried to manipulate me a couple of times. I saw it on the test. If she’s crying and it’s not real, it shows ‘manipulation.’”

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*Art Harris, The Bald Truth, "Exclusive: Misty Cummings Voice Stress Report!," Sunday, September 6th, 2009

 

[Baznme]

What about what LE says?

Same procedure applies. LE represents the people of the State of Florida. The prosecuting attorney represents the people of the State of Florida in court. They make their case on behalf of the people of the State of Florida (their client).