IF They Did It

[PharmSleuth]

Morag,
Yes I remember the cupboard referenced in a few recent articles. This one is the creepiest from Sep 6. I used a free program to translate it (bolding mine)

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[/FONT][FONT=&quot]They flowed biological of Maddie were found by the laboratory of Birminghan in the samples sent by the Judicial Police for England

[/FONT][FONT=&quot]The CM knows that these vestiges – residues of not perceptible blood with the naked eye found in the apartment of the Oce-an Club and in the car rented by the McCann – already are found in the possession of the PJ and should determine immediate developments of the case. The most important one should be a new questioning to the parents of Madeleine and to some of the friends of the couple that were found of vacation in the Algarve when the infant disappeared.

[/FONT][FONT=&quot]These developments based us results of the biological samples are today also reported by several newspapers English that aim for the achievement of detentions in the near 48 hours. The most important samples, of the set of ten that were sent for England, should have been them collected in the apartment of the Mc-Cann in the Beach of the Light, in private in the ground and in a cupboard in home where subsequently the family was installed and in the car that rented after the girl have missing person. These samples were collected after the dogs pisteiros English will have signalled biological vestiges of blood and smell of corpse in clothes of Kate McCann[/FONT]
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[ThoughtFox]

PharmSleuth: That Portugeuse story must be the original source, but the London Times also picked it up:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article2410856.ece

Tabloid papers in the country have claimed that police sources say sniffer dogs had signalled the presence of a corpse in the children’s bedroom and in a cupboard at the holiday apartment. They say the dogs detected the odour of death on Mrs McCann’s clothes and even on her Bible, which is said to have been removed as evidence.

It has also been reported that Mrs McCann’s account of the evening does not tally with those by other witnesses. One elderly woman’s account suggested that Mrs McCann claimed she had called police before an emergency call was received by the authorities.

That's a realy oxymoron (contradiction) - a "corpse in a holiday apartment."

 

[Jayelles]

These were British sniffer dogs. From Yorkshire if my memory serves me right. Trained in a cold, wet and windy place. I hope these dogs were taken to a "control" area to test that their training was valid for a different climate in a country where there are an abundance of stray cats and dogs living around the residential areas.

 

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

Maybe someone else died in the apartment before the McCanns rented it. Say a heart attack victim, or a young girl who gave birth, (still born, or murdered) and threw it in the dumpster a few days later.

 

[colomom]

Hate to say it folks but, I am really growing weary of this....

 

[Pinkhammer]

Maybe someone else died in the apartment before the McCanns rented it. Say a heart attack victim, or a young girl who gave birth, (still born, or murdered) and threw it in the dumpster a few days later.

...and maybe pigs will fly;

...and maybe Gerry and Kate will tell the truth some day.

 

[PharmSleuth]

Thoughtfox,
That is probably where the UK paper got it from, but the words from the Portugeuse paper refer to 2 locations where the scent was-the original rental and the cupboard in the subsequent one. I think another article just has the generic "Ocean Club Apartment", but does not specify which one-the original or the one they were moved to the next day

Interestedwoman,about previous deaths in the locations the McCanns stayed I did read that the PLE researched all previous renters of all locations that the McCanns stayed for deaths and that there were not any deaths.

 

[Texana]

These were British sniffer dogs. From Yorkshire if my memory serves me right. Trained in a cold, wet and windy place. I hope these dogs were taken to a "control" area to test that their training was valid for a different climate in a country where there are an abundance of stray cats and dogs living around the residential areas.

Highly trained dogs don't alter their behavior based on the weather.

Nor do they alter their behavior based on the presence of other animals.

 

[Brefie]

Can they get side tracked by a multitude of scents that they are not used to ignoring?

 

[IrishMist]

Can they get side tracked by a multitude of scents that they are not used to ignoring?

It's not an exact science by any means, Brefie, and I've read that they are not all that accurate. I haven't researched that much, though, to be honest.

 

[Brefie]

Yeah, I don't know anything about it. I could see if they did need to be acclimatized, though, especially in a new country with all the differences.

 

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

snip...Interestedwoman,about previous deaths in the locations the McCanns stayed I did read that the PLE researched all previous renters of all locations that the McCanns stayed for deaths and that there were not any deaths.

That's good to know. I was assumeing they did, but as much as I feel the parents are guilty, I thought I would throw out perhaps an oversight to explain the death scent.

 

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

Hate to say it folks but, I am really growing weary of this....

Maybe you should take a break.

 

[IrishMist]

Yeah, I don't know anything about it. I could see if they did need to be acclimatized, though, especially in a new country with all the differences.

I only read a couple of articles, real life has been really busy for me lately, and I haven't had much time. The ones I read had the dogs accuracy rates in the 30-40% range. Which isn't all that accurate, IMO. But, until I read more on it, I hate to judge that quickly.

If you'd like, I'll post when I find out more.

 

[Brefie]

I only read a couple of articles, real life has been really busy for me lately, and I haven't had much time. The ones I read had the dogs accuracy rates in the 30-40% range. Which isn't all that accurate, IMO. But, until I read more on it, I hate to judge that quickly.

If you'd like, I'll post when I find out more.

I would like very much. Thank you.

 

[IrishMist]

I would like very much. Thank you.

I will then. Won't be tonight, though, I'm tired. <insert yawning emoticon here>

 

[Texana]

Can they get side tracked by a multitude of scents that they are not used to ignoring?

No, not the really good ones. Not the ones that get paid more than many people earn in a year. They are able to distinguish between thousands of scents, as animals, and then they are trained to alert to a particular scent. You are talking about generations and generations of dogs bred for a single purpose.

I know I've talked about this before on this forum, but my family has a long agricultural history. Animals that don't perform, don't get bred, or in hard times, even fed. These dogs like the dogs in the U.S. are bred generation after generation to be able to perform, to be trained for specific scents and find them. It's how slaves worth thousands of dollars were tracked down a hundred or more years ago, it's how hunters find their targets today, it's how the prison authorities in East Texas just tracked two escaped prisoners last week.

I would take the evidence of these highly trained animals over the testimony of many humans, who come pre-loaded with their own prejudices and perceptions.

I guarantee you the top dogs do not have success rates in the 30-40% rate, or they would not be getting paid what they are compensated.

However, it would be interesting to see what the success rate of the psychics the McCanns are reportedly considering hiring, is.

 

[kiltubrid]

If the body had been stored in the vicinity however well - it would have been discovered by now

I think all this talk of duffle bags , coolers , fridges are just stretching it too far

Are we really saying that the the Police were so bumbiling that they wouldnt have at least searched things like coolers , fridges - they might have actualy talked to retailers in the area - Gerry buys a cooler big enought to store a body - hmm do you think that it might have set of a few alarm bells somewhere

Again the whole conspiracy theory that the rest of the Tapas group are all in it and helping the Mccaans doesnt make sense . Who in their right mind who has a job family a life would risk going to prison for a long time to protect a colleague from murder - and murdering a child.

I have said it before and said it again

1. no body

2. no real apparent motive

3. No direct and firm foresnic evidence ( ok that we know of )

I don't think the whole Tapas 9 group is necessarily involved, but I do think Russell O'Brien and his partner Jane Tanner might be, based on their behavior -- Russell being absent from the dinner most of the evening and Jane claiming to have seen a man walking toward Murat's home, carrying a child under a blanket.

It could be that Russell administered or provided a sedative at the McCann's request, and accidentally gave her an overdose. As doctors, they all panicked after not being able to revive her -- their careers and professional reputations were at stake. Together they cooked up the abduction story, and Russell helped to get rid of the body. The DNA allegedly appearing in the rental car 25 days later might have been from her bed sheets, blanket, or clothing that was hidden until it could be safely moved and hidden further away where it would be less likely found.

All conjecture, of course, but I do think these two of the Tapas 9 are a bit suspicious.

 

[CaliKid]

Hate to say it folks but, I am really growing weary of this....

That's why I'm hardly ever here anymore. All this infighting and personal attacks on each other are ridiculous. People can disagree, but they certainly don't need to be so nasty. It sounds like the Mirror forums in here.

 

[Shazza]

That's why I'm hardly ever here anymore. All this infighting and personal attacks on each other are ridiculous. People can disagree, but they certainly don't need to be so nasty. It sounds like the Mirror forums in here.

That is the reason I no longer post as much, I read everything, but must admit my memory fails me at times, but the bickering between posters is just too overwhelming when all I can think about is how can we find Madelaine.