If you agree or disagree with the verdict, let us know why

[tehcloser]

And I still believe the jury was "right on". Just another day in Paradise.

BBM

Oh no u didn't...........:floorlaugh:

 

[MissJames]

I don't get it. The DT said over and over again to the jury, don't let your emotion convict FCA. So, the jury listened to JB's sexual slime and they swallowed it, and let their emotion run free with FCA.

JMO But I don't think the entire jury swallowed it . Somehow ,in a very short period of time,with no inquiries for more guidance from the court ,someone or someones were able to convince at least 6 jurors to switch their vote.
After listening to Jurors 2 and 3 ,along with the foreman ,I am more convinced than ever there was misinformation shared,at the very least. Something HINKY happened in that jury room ,IMO. I'm sure one day the real story will come out.

 

[Trident]

BBM

Casey didn't just live in a house with other people, she lived in the house with other people who lied and tampered with evidence. That's what makes it hard to figure out what happened or who was involved.

Yep, this has always been a sticking point for me also. Casey was NOT the only person with access to the things that came out of that house, nor the car. SA didn't tie Casey, and Casey alone, to any of their circumstantial evidence which JB poked holes through in his closing argument.

:cow:

 

[beccalecca1]

BBM. The prosecution missed on the motive, mainly because LA and CA didn't give the testimony, but with the creative license JB took to create a narrative in the OS the SA should have done the same! The fight with CA the night before June 16 lit the rage which fueled the evil intention to get back at CA and show her just how unfit a mother she accused her of being. "Maybe I am just a spiteful b#$@*."

The flurry of cell phone calls on June 16 show the agitation Casey had to find a sitter, calling tthe same number over and over and over. The problem could not be solved. Casey felt CA and GA were working against her, refusing to watch Caylee as they disapproved of her friends and lifestyle. This was their only way to keep her in check, they thought. The only way to get her to be more of a mother. This made Casey VERY angry, how dare they ruin my night! I want to see my new and wonderful boyfriend Tony! And so she solved it in a way only a cold-blooded sociopath could. She killed Caylee, put her in the trunk, and went to be with Tony. She KNEW she would kill Caylee beforehand if necessary, and had the duct tape (with steak knife to cut it), plus the chloroform to knock her out first.

Why wouldn't she just kill Caylee way before this, when she was having the IM conversations about starting a relationship with nyitaliano (IIRC) and having sex, etc? She didn't have a babysitter during that conversation and kept the guy hanging on hoping there would be a babysitter soon so they could "get it on". Why not kill Caylee then if that's what this whole thing was about?

 

[annalia]

BBM

Casey didn't just live in a house with other people, she lived in the house with other people who lied and tampered with evidence. That's what makes it hard to figure out what happened or who was involved.

It's not really hard when you put all of the pieces together, all of these other lies told by others don't compare to Casey's when put into proper context.

We have all seen and heard from many different people involved, those who spent time at the house, those who were investigating, Casey's own words etc, and nothing shows that george was aware of anything that happened to caylee, it showed just the opposite.

JMHO

 

[magnolia]

JMO But I don't think the entire jury swallowed it . Somehow ,in a very short period of time,with no inquiries for more guidance from the court ,someone or someones were able to convince at least 6 jurors to switch their vote.
After listening to Jurors 2 and 3 ,along with the foreman ,I am more convinced than ever there was misinformation shared,at the very least. Something HINKY happened in that jury room ,IMO. I'm sure one day the real story will come out.

Yep,one or more of the Jurors will spill the real story one day. It's just a matter of time. IMO

 

[MissJames]

Who from the SA's office said they had a slam dunk case ? Or was that the opinion of some legal pundits ?

I don't recall the SA's EVER making a statement. It was always the defense team making the media rounds.
The SA's put a boatload of work into this case .IIRC we were always wondering if the DT was doing ANYTHING besides PR since no discovery ever seemed to come from them.

 

[beccalecca1]

The liner and pictures of the liner were presented. However, the picture posted on here was enhanced by ws member. iirc.

I thought the same about the picture, that it wasn't a piece of evidence found in discovery, it was enhanced by someone who wasn't involved with the PT/DT.

 

[annalia]

JMO But I don't think the entire jury swallowed it . Somehow ,in a very short period of time,with no inquiries for more guidance from the court ,someone or someones were able to convince at least 6 jurors to switch their vote.After listening to Jurors 2 and 3 ,along with the foreman ,I am more convinced than ever there was misinformation shared,at the very least. Something HINKY happened in that jury room ,IMO. I'm sure one day the real story will come out.

My bolding

Yes that is one of the most unbelievable parts. I agree, something hinky for 6 to all change their votes so quickly. Maybe one day the true story will come from one of the ones that changed their vote in less than a day.

My personal belief is that at least manslaughter would have been the correct verdict.

 

[beccalecca1]

Good Morning Becca!

Morning! (or should I say evening since I just got home from work :crazy

 

[Baznme]

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GA didn't call 911 at the towyard when he found the car with a death smell and didn't call 911 once he got home after driving the car that smelled like death. Ex-LE didn't feel it's necessary to call LE unless his gas cans were stolen.

BBM - Think about it.....neither did the tow yard attendant (standing AT the car with GA as he opened the trunk), neither did CA (after GA got the car home and told him to go to work) and neither did Lee (after CA got Casey home).........so I don't see your point. Seems to me, this is not exclusive to GA, but several people that dropped the ball.

 

[beccalecca1]

Everyone seems to forget that CA went to the tow yard with GA. It is possible and highly likely that CA told GA NOT to call 911 until they got the car home and got it cleaned to protect Princess FCA. Also IIRC, GA called the police about the shed break-in as he knew there were other similar burglaries in the neighborhood/general vicinity.

If CA told GA not to call police in order to protect their "Princess"... why didn't Honest GA testify to this on the stand?

And, GA stated he called the police about the break in because of the recent neighborhood activities, but I find it interesting that he never called them back to report the gas cans found. And also interesting that he involved LE in an investigation without being forthcoming to the fact that his own daughter frequently took gas from him.

ETA: I believe that's a waste of tax payer's money. GA appears to just love to waste.

 

[MissJames]

It's not really hard when you put all of the pieces together, all of these other lies told by others don't compare to Casey's when put into proper context.

We have all seen and heard from many different people involved, those who spent time at the house, those who were investigating, Casey's own words etc, and nothing shows that george was aware of anything that happened to caylee, it showed just the opposite.

JMHO

Exactly. Any lies told were to cover for Casey. I remember the LE interview when GA threw up,yet Casey was always cool as a cucumber. That's the difference between someone who is distraught at the thought of something happening to Caylee and someone who didn't give a D@^^# about her. JMO

 

[annalia]

The A's were not working people... Cindy was. GA has gone through many jobs, one ends and he plays sitting duck until he finds one that he feels suits him. Read his deposition; Cindy was the worker in the house, GA was more like the "get a job for my hobbies" type.

As far as Caylee's death goes though, did George have a job at the time in question? Did Casey?

Is George having a sketchy job history evidence?

 

[beccalecca1]

Who from the SA's office said they had a slam dunk case ? Or was that the opinion of some legal pundits ?

I don't have quotes, it's just MO.

But, I have to say they were pretty confident in their case to go for murder 1, manslaughter, or aggravated child abuse; but leave out a lot of charges that she could've been charged with.

 

[cityslick]

This case has proved to me that simply being a habitual liar isn't enough to get you convicted of a crime. You need to actually show how the defendant was the one and only one who was responsible for the crime. The fact of the matter is the pieces of evidence strongest for the prosecution (the car, the computer search), Casey wasn't the only one with access to those things. Even stuff like the duct tape and the laundry bag, Casey wasn't the only one with access to those things. Nobody else could of been involved, but nothing the state presented singled her and only her out and I think that's where the jury had the biggest difficulty.

Yes, she did not report her missing for 31 days. Yes, she did all that stuff during that time. But does the law say that set of circumstances = must of killed your child? Does the law say lying/making up stories = automatically killed your child? I think when people throw around the phrase 'burden of proof' and how the bar is set really high for that, it's not a figure of speech. The bar to set 'burden of proof', especially in a capital murder case, is very high.

Would another jury have a different outcome? I don't know. We just had another case where a guy was accused of killing his wife and a majority of people thought is was a slam dunk on 1st degree. Guess what happened? Hung jury, with the vote 8-4 towards NG, not guilty. Every case is different and it's impossible to determine how a jury should render a verdict when they are not exposed to a 10th of the information that the members of this forum were. And even the stuff that is brought out in trial, it's all about 'presentation'.

 

[beccalecca1]

But 911 WAS called by Cindy, they live in the same house, were together at the time, no logical reason that both of them needed to call. Do you know if they decided together that Cindy would call 911?

My post was in response to this post:

Originally Posted by kelian36

No way GA-ex LE or CA- nurse wouldn't have called 911.

IMO that point is moot really.....GA would have called 911 as would CA.

 

[Aedrys]

BBM - Think about it.....neither did the tow yard attendant (standing AT the car with GA as he opened the trunk), neither did CA (after GA got the car home and told him to go to work) and neither did Lee (after CA got Casey home).........so I don't see your point. Seems to me, this is not exclusive to GA, but several people that dropped the ball.

I don't think they dropped the ball as much as they were probably in shock at what they were smelling, especially since the towyard guy and George had smelled that particular smell before. I think they didn't want to believe what they were smelling and were hoping they were wrong. It's human nature to not want to believe the worst just because you smell something that should tell you the worst has happened. George, Cindy, and Lee didn't want to believe Caylee was dead and that Casey had something to do with it. The towyard guy probably didn't want to believe he was smelling a dead body. And since there was no dead body in the trunk to confirm suspicions, they all wrote it off at it first, and probably prayed they were wrong. Again, that's human nature.

Not everyone immediately becomes civic minded and does the right thing right away. Most people don't want to be involved with something like a dead body. It's like that case where that woman got assaulted and killed in an apartment complex, and most people just ignored it and did not call the police. People don't want to get involved when it's something horrible, and especially if it's something involving death. I don't blame the towyard guy or anyone else who smelled that trunk that didn't immediately call the police. I'm not sure I would immediately do it if I smelled something death, knew it was death I was smelling (I've never smelled death, thank God, and I hope I never do), but didn't have a body to confirm it was death. Cindy finally calling police was a brave thing she did. She couldn't ignore that smell and Caylee being missing anymore.

I'm not saying they had the right reaction, btw. I'm just saying they had a very human reaction to it. There were a lot of human reactions in the case that led to Casey getting acquitted. That acquittal itself was a human reaction to not wanting to believe a pretty, young, middle class girl who had her parent's help in raising her child would kill said child to go out and party. People just don't want to believe that things like that can happen. It's easier to live with to believe that Caylee's death was horrible accident gone wrong than Casey is evil and killed her child. In some ways, I don't blame the jury for that verdict in a human respect. I do think they let their emotions and selfishness get the better of them so they could go home and enjoy the rest of the summer, though. It's also easier for them to do that believing this was a horrible accident, and that they did not just let a monster murderer out of jail.

I think there is an expectation in a lot of these cases that people ought to act superhuman and do the right thing. We forget how fallible humans are and how often those flaws lead to the right thing not being done right away. It's not because humans are evil, it's because humans are human. It's the brave few among us that do the right thing when it needs to be done, unfortunately.

 

[beccalecca1]

BBM - Think about it.....neither did the tow yard attendant (standing AT the car with GA as he opened the trunk), neither did CA (after GA got the car home and told him to go to work) and neither did Lee (after CA got Casey home).........so I don't see your point. Seems to me, this is not exclusive to GA, but several people that dropped the ball.

My post was in reference to this post:

Originally Posted by kelian36

No way GA-ex LE or CA- nurse wouldn't have called 911.

IMO that point is moot really.....GA would have called 911 as would CA.

 

[Sustained]

If CA told GA not to call police in order to protect their "Princess"... why didn't Honest GA testify to this on the stand?

And, GA stated he called the police about the break in because of the recent neighborhood activities, but I find it interesting that he never called them back to report the gas cans found. And also interesting that he involved LE in an investigation without being forthcoming to the fact that his own daughter frequently took gas from him.

ETA: I believe that's a waste of tax payer's money. GA appears to just love to waste.

Maybe GA did not tell this story on the stand as he did not want CA to face obstruction of justice charges. I don't put much stock in not calling the police back after the gas cans were found. IMO, the microscopic focus of the gas cans means nothing. I challenge you or anyone else to go back 3 years and think about where you were or what you did at a certain time. I'd be willing to bet your memory would be razor sharp on some things and you wouldn't remember/believe other things even if someone else told you they were true.

And let's talk about waste ...

FCA wasted thousands of taxpayer and private $$$ on searching for a girl when she knew exactly where she was ... she wasted OCSO investigator time lying about the Sawgrass Apartments, Universal Studios, Jeff Hopkins, Zanny, etc. Talk about someone with no conscience ... I live in Orlando and spent a whole day searching J. Blanchard Park, going in and out of deeply wooded areas, watching out for snakes, getting my feet soaked, and dealing with bug bites . Anyone of the searchers could have been bitten by a rattler/water occasin/coral snake and either died or been very sick.

Talk about no conscience and no regards for others ... but now as I look back it doesn't surprise me. All of us who assisted in the search for Caylee were treated just as Caylee was .... trash.