If you agree or disagree with the verdict, let us know why

[raeann]

That is NOT what happens to chloroform. Some of the formula evaporates and those that didn't stay in the carpet. Chloroform does not "dry" into a powder...:floorlaugh: cause if it did - it could be sold as such - chlorform tablets.....:great:

UMMMMM....you might just want to google that...... cause it does!

 

[Sustained]

This is getting comical.

Whether the smell could have been a lingering smell from bodily fluids deposited by Caylee's corpse that was being driven around town for days would have been a difficult leap at that time (many pro-acquittal people still don't believe that). Cindy was of the belief Casey kept Caylee away from her out of spite. She wasn't thinking anything happened to Caylee. The virtually unfathomable idea that their daughter would have been carrying her own daughter's dead body in her car would have been very difficult to come to terms with. It seems Cindy still can't.

What the smell likely meant to them at that point was that she got into some bad situation involving her many unknown friends. That's apparently why George was following and investigating her friends and Cindy was accusing her friends for long afterwards.

No, the reason for deflecting attention away from FCA is b/c FCA could do no wrong in eyes of CA and CA ran the household. I grew up in a similarly dysfunctional family with an Irish twin brother who is a pathological liar. He stole from us/friends, was fired from every job he had due to the fault of the employer, and when he was not employed, said that he was and named the employer. My mother would always cover for him ... believing his lies, paying off his debts, making restitution on his thefts. And my father resisted at first, but was told "Let me handle it or you can leave" by my mother and he chose to clam up.

As demonstrated at the Anthony household via GA's deposition and other eyewitness accounts of FCA's behavior, she was treated with kid gloves and the whole family walked on eggshells as to not upset the princess. Well, same thing happened at my house ... we walked on eggshells for fear my brother would go off the deep end and shoot us all. If you need examples of this, go read GA's depo about the Sports Authority job and Tracy McLaughlin's account of her 9 days in the Anthony household.

I have no doubt that with CA enabling FCA's bad behavior and not calling her on her lies, FCA continued to lie up to and past the murder of Caylee. And only when CA got in her face about taking Caylee away and the theft of money from her grandparents did FCA's rage take over and little Caylee never stood a chance.

Well, what's done is done and GA/CA/LA would be wise to cut her from the lives as she will take them down eventually. My troubled brother is back living with my elderly mom and milking her dry.

 

[beccalecca1]

More fascinating logic.



Except in the "Casey drowned and nobody killed her" theory, George is supposed to be complicit in covering it up. If so, why wouldn't he warn Casey about it at that point to get their stories straight? He has a good reason to call her if he was involved, but still no call. Why would he even go pick up the car at all if he knew about the smell, which he would have to known about? He went to the post office alone. He could have made up a story to Cindy about what the notice was about. He could have picked up the car by himself at some other time.

On the one hand, the theory goes George should call 911, because he's Mr. ex-cop. On the other, he's a bungling idiot ex-cop spearheading the pointless cover-up of an accidental death, and who not only leaves a neon sign at that dump site 20 feet from the road that connects it to their house, but who also willingly leads his wife to the Pontiac hearse of death.

Once again, Caylee's innocence only fits when you look at it the evidence narrowly in small pieces and ignore the rest of the evidence.

BBM

IIRC, Cindy had to be there with the title also because the car was registered to both of them.

Secondly, this picking the car up from the towyard could've been part of the plan of the "kidnapping" theory, therefore no need for GA to get ahold of Casey because he knew the plan was being executed.

 

[kelian36]

The smell would have reminded her. At the least she would have opened the trunk to see what was in there. She texted about it on more than one occasion. The dots don't connect. IMO.

Of course the dots don't connect. It's easy to see when one is logical and uses common sense.

FCA killed her child then laid her murdered child in the trunk of her car. FCA threw her child away like trash and lastly pretended that something went wrong with her car. Imo, She left it so someone else would be blamed for the smell in the car.

 

[MissJames]

I do believe it was possible there was meat in the bag at some point, maybe old food thrown away from the fridge even. But, after sitting in the trunk for 2+ weeks, it broke down to a puddle. I also believe that this puddle could've spilled in the trunk since the bag was not completely sealed.

But no remnants of it in the bag?It all spilled out onto the carpet?
Is this a scientific explanation? I've never heard of meat breaking down into a puddle. We are talking about processed food containers and not raw meat .There was no evidence of any raw meat.

And again,world famous Dr. Henry Lee examined that trunk . If there was any chance the stain was caused by meat from that trash bag he would have been on the witness list. He had nothing to say that would help the defense.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Chemicals are altered, H2O evaporates, possible other volatile chemicals evaporate, etc etc.

After drying, you are not dealing with the same substance that you would be dealing with before drying.



You could have had hydrogen chemicals and oxygen chemicals from other products that bonded to form the water that made the trash wet. Therefore, even in the wet stages, those chemicals were altered (bonded with other chemicals) to create new chemical compositions. Then, when dried, the oxygen detaches from the hydrogen and dissipates into the air, and I believe (I could be wrong though because it's been a few years since taking college chemistry) hydrogen could also dissipate into the air once the bond is broken and there isn't another compound to bond to.

But would food product that would cause a really bad smell just disappear? Sure things can change with drying, but to have nothing left to see seems a bit strange.

 

[annalia]

There was evidence there, the pictures in reference to the drowning theory were submitted into evidence, but I've seen posts of stating the opposite.

The mush/puddle I speak of dried up in the dry room.

Your experience with your boys shouldn't equate to the habits of the boys (and Casey) that lived in that apartment. And, I'm sure everyone finds spoiled food in their fridge once in a while and throws it out. It is certainly possible this was the case and I don't believe that is too far fetched to believe that. These "boys" partied and went to school every night, and one of these "boys" commented on how nice it was to have Casey around because she cooked for them. Since they weren't always there to eat her cooking, it is not illogical to think there was food thrown away.

the picture was not evidence, it was just a picture and a theory thrown in.
the judge allowed the theory, however the jurors should have ignored it as just a theory since no evidence was presented that supported it.

the picture of her standing at the door was no more evidence of drowning than the video of her dancing was evidence that she fell and cracked her skull on the coffee table.

As a matter of fact, the video of Caylee's second birthday shows that she couldn't go two feet without someone being right there on top of her, it showed just how careful and attentive they all were with her.

As far as the possibilities for throwing away food, We can go on forever if we just keep making more and more things up, but what is the point? It's not in evidence and never was.
JMHO

 

[beccalecca1]

Once again, Caylee's innocence only fits when you look at it the evidence narrowly in small pieces and ignore the rest of the evidence.

This inspired me to bring over my original post in the previous thread on this topic. I believe I looked at the evidence in a larger picture, vs. the narrow picture that is being referred to in this post.

I do believe it is certainly plausible that Caylee drowned in the family pool. During the trial I was watching some of Caylee's home videos, and the home video that has George feeding Caylee a carrot (or something like that) in the backyard, if you look in the background the pool is there with the ladder attached. Both George and Caylee are wearing clothing that isn't swimming attire, therefore they DIDN'T religiously take that ladder down as they portrayed. Caylee clearly looked at least 2 in this video. This would've been a time they were supposedly taking the precautions to avoid accidents like this.

I do believe it is plausible that both George and Casey would attempt to cover up this accident out of fear from Cindy. We've all seen how ruthless that woman is (Cindy). Maybe George felt responsible for the accident, and Casey equally felt responsible. Keep in mind, George just regained some of Cindy's trust and was welcomed back into the home. Maybe Casey didn't know exactly what happened with Caylee's body, and left all of that up to George (hence the "I don't know where she is" comments).

I do believe it is very possible that George was a sexual abuser. He appeared very arrogant, and almost above the law on the stand when facing JB. He had inappropriate laughter, etc; it all appeared to be a show to me. I don't think George was with Caylee alone ever, like the Anthony's would like us to believe. Caylee had her own bedroom, but slept with Casey every night. I think Casey made up the job lie to get her parents off her back, and made up the nanny lie to make sure George would never be alone with Caylee. The nanny was there to cover the times Cindy wouldn't/couldn't watch Caylee. And, Casey just took Caylee with her wherever she went on the other times. Ricardo stated on the stand that Caylee and Casey stayed at his place about 4 times a week. Casey clearly wasn't drugging Caylee then to 'get rid of the burden'; I doubt all of a sudden she started with Tony.

I don't believe there was "off the charts" amounts of chloroform in that trunk. I also think it's impossible for there to have been chloroform used on Caylee's body, Caylee dumped in the swamp, Casey dumping her car, then the Anthony's picking it up from the towyard and AIRING THE TRUNK OUT for hours, and it still having chloroform relating to this child's death. That trunk was aired out, the whole car was aired out, for at least a couple of hours if not longer. How would there have been chloroform still in the air, given the fact that it's highly volatile? I think, Cindy dumped a bleach/water mixture in that trunk, or another form of cleaner with bleach in it, to get rid of the smell. When she closed that trunk for the final time, it resulted in the choloform being released in the trunk air.

And, one thing I found extremely strange (amongst the many MANY other things in this case) is the Dominic Casey video. I hadn't really paid a lot of attention to it until it was brought up in the trial. I do believe after watching and rewatching that video many times, Dominic was in the dump site of Caylee. The area they entered the swamp matches the crime scene photos of the entry to where her body was. After they go in and take a left, there is a fallen tree that matches the tree that was right near/over Caylee's skull. And, in the background of this video is a really long/large fallen tree that sounds like the one that is described on one of RK's first 911 calls. I'm convinced this is the same area. And, either Caylee's body wasn't there in November, OR it was burried and they practically stepped on/over her body. And, besides the strangeness of both Kronk and Dominic knowing where to go to find her body, I remember reading in one of Kronk's statements that he was in that area in August, November, and then December. Why was he there in November without calling 911?

Too many questions without answers in this case. And too many weird coincidences. I agree with the verdict, I would've done the same thing. I openly stated this on another forum after the prosecution rested, and got flamed many times for it. I never understood the anger against the people who didn't agree, people should truly be mad at the prosecution for not presenting a better case.

 

[raeann]

http://www.howtodothings.com/how-to-create-chloroform


"Get the chloroform powder. Once the powdered substance has completely settled, you can get the chloroform. Remove the liquids from the container but do it carefully so that the chloroform at the bottom will not go with the liquid. Afterwards, you can place the chloroform powder that has settled in a dark glass bottle and use a funnel to separate it from the other liquids. "

 

[beccalecca1]

But no remnants of it in the bag?It all spilled out onto the carpet?
Is this a scientific explanation? I've never heard of meat breaking down into a puddle. We are talking about processed food containers and not raw meat .There was no evidence of any raw meat.

And again,world famous Dr. Henry Lee examined that trunk . If there was any chance the stain was caused by meat from that trash bag he would have been on the witness list. He had nothing to say that would help the defense.

There were remnants of a puddle in the bag, hence the items being "wet" and the large staining in the photos of the bag (evidence in trial).

And, with the raw meat.... if the meat was left in a trunk for a minimum of 18 days, I would think that within 1 of those days, the meat begins to spoil and bacteria begins to break it down. Introduce maggots into the mix and they continue to feed off of whatever they can, further breaking it down. What you may have left after 18 days is nothing but fluid (puddle) that is the most rancid thing you've ever smelled. MOO

 

[beccalecca1]

But would food product that would cause a really bad smell just disappear? Sure things can change with drying, but to have nothing left to see seems a bit strange.

Throw maggots into the mix and you have a great possibility. Maggots feed off of this stuff.

 

[gngr~snap]

Evidence drying is standard CSI practice in the process of preserving possible DNA evidence for shipment for further testing.

she's? he's correct then rehydrate it for testing. Think cigarette butts, - and anything dry at he scene on on the victim, envelopes that have been licked. is scraped collected transported and reydrated.
http://www2.fbi.gov/hq/lab/labannual05/labannual05.htm
they even rehydrate fingers for prints

They have evidence drying rooms- they don't lay them out in the employee break room, Baez is being difficult

 

[beccalecca1]

the picture was not evidence, it was just a picture and a theory thrown in.
the judge allowed the theory, however the jurors should have ignored it as just a theory since no evidence was presented that supported it.

the picture of her standing at the door was no more evidence of drowning than the video of her dancing was evidence that she fell and cracked her skull on the coffee table.

As a matter of fact, the video of Caylee's second birthday shows that she couldn't go two feet without someone being right there on top of her, it showed just how careful and attentive they all were with her.

As far as the possibilities for throwing away food, We can go on forever if we just keep making more and more things up, but what is the point? It's not in evidence and never was.
JMHO

It is a fact that those pictures were submitted into evidence. I'm not sure how this is consistently being confused. JB introduced pictures of Caylee climbing the ladder, entering the pool, and standing by the sliding glass door into evidence that the jury could've deliberated over. HHJP furthermore allowed closing arguments on the drowning theory BECAUSE there was enough evidence to infer it was possible. He didn't allow arguments on sexual abuse because there wasn't enough evidence and specifically JB didn't even question LA on it.

 

[Smelly Squirrel]

No, the reason for deflecting attention away from FCA is b/c FCA could do no wrong in eyes of CA and CA ran the household. I grew up in a similarly dysfunctional family with an Irish twin brother who is a pathological liar. He stole from us/friends, was fired from every job he had due to the fault of the employer, and when he was not employed, said that he was and named the employer. My mother would always cover for him ... believing his lies, paying off his debts, making restitution on his thefts. And my father resisted at first, but was told "Let me handle it or you can leave" by my mother and he chose to clam up.

As demonstrated at the Anthony household via GA's deposition and other eyewitness accounts of FCA's behavior, she was treated with kid gloves and the whole family walked on eggshells as to not upset the princess. Well, same thing happened at my house ... we walked on eggshells for fear my brother would go off the deep end and shoot us all. If you need examples of this, go read GA's depo about the Sports Authority job and Tracy McLaughlin's account of her 9 days in the Anthony household.

I have no doubt that with CA enabling FCA's bad behavior and not calling her on her lies, FCA continued to lie up to and past the murder of Caylee. And only when CA got in her face about taking Caylee away and the theft of money from her grandparents did FCA's rage take over and little Caylee never stood a chance.

Well, what's done is done and GA/CA/LA would be wise to cut her from the lives as she will take them down eventually. My troubled brother is back living with my elderly mom and milking her dry.

I agree it eventually became deflection only, but at first when learning Caylee was missing, it's plausible they honestly and reasonably suspected her friends could be involved.

 

[MissJames]

There were remnants of a puddle in the bag, hence the items being "wet" and the large staining in the photos of the bag (evidence in trial).

And, with the raw meat.... if the meat was left in a trunk for a minimum of 18 days, I would think that within 1 of those days, the meat begins to spoil and bacteria begins to break it down. Introduce maggots into the mix and they continue to feed off of whatever they can, further breaking it down. What you may have left after 18 days is nothing but fluid (puddle) that is the most rancid thing you've ever smelled. MOO

And where is the evidence there was any raw meat? I know where there is evidence of a dead child,but I don't recall the defense showing any evidence of raw meat?
Empty velveeta /check
Empty salami /check ( remember when the defense bug expert said there was a piece of paper in the container?)

And back to Dr. Henry Lee ,who actually looked at the trunk,smelled the trunk,spent hours examining the trunk AND the trash,do you think he somehow missed this puddle of raw meat ?

 

[beccalecca1]

And where is the evidence there was any raw meat? I know where there is evidence of a dead child,but I don't recall the defense showing any evidence of raw meat?
Empty velveeta /check
Empty salami /check ( remember when the defense bug expert said there was a piece of paper in the container?)

And back to Dr. Henry Lee ,who actually looked at the trunk,smelled the trunk,spent hours examining the trunk AND the trash,do you think he somehow missed this puddle of raw meat ?

In my previous posts I stated the maggots in the trunk could have eaten whatever was a solid form in the 2+ weeks the garbage was in the trunk. That's what maggots do. Whatever was left over could've been what the puddle/wet garbage/whatever was.

 

[Smelly Squirrel]

BBM

IIRC, Cindy had to be there with the title also because the car was registered to both of them.

Except he didn't know that until he went to the yard. He called her from the Post Office and then called her from the yard. Led Cindy eagerly right to what would expose his crime.

Also, note that he went to the yard that day as soon as he found out about it.

Secondly, this picking the car up from the towyard could've been part of the plan of the "kidnapping" theory, therefore no need for GA to get ahold of Casey because he knew the plan was being executed.

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[beccalecca1]

Except he didn't know that until he went to the yard. He called her from the Post Office and then called her from the yard. Led Cindy eagerly right to what would expose his crime.

Also, note that he went to the yard that day as soon as he found out about it.



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<modsnip>

And, I'd like to add that GA didn't go to the towyard as soon as he found out. They found the notice on Sunday that stated they received a certified letter from a "Johnson's", he didn't go to the post office the next day, it was the day after.

 

[Sustained]

In my previous posts I stated the maggots in the trunk could have eaten whatever was a solid form in the 2+ weeks the garbage was in the trunk. That's what maggots do. Whatever was left over could've been what the puddle/wet garbage/whatever was.

Yep, the maggots could've eaten whatever was in solid form ... Caylee.

 

[Aedrys]

In my previous posts I stated the maggots in the trunk could have eaten whatever was a solid form in the 2+ weeks the garbage was in the trunk. That's what maggots do. Whatever was left over could've been what the puddle/wet garbage/whatever was.

Except there was never any meat in that garbage. Just because it was wet doesn't prove there was meat there. And what did Dr. Vass say? You'd have to eat meat with a bag over your head in the trunk for it be meat that was there? The only thing there for maggots to feed on was Caylee. Remember Ashton opening that one package and finding paper where an expert thought there was meat? There was no meat there, nothing rotting except Caylee.