If you agree or disagree with the verdict, let us know why

[beccalecca1]

Doesn't mean it didn't happen ... Caylee was born Aug 2005. FCA and CA were "working" throughout the period of shortly after Caylee's birth to June 2008. Zanny was not mentioned to the family until early 2008. Who was watching Caylee from say Sep 2005 to the end of 2007 if FCA was working a different schedule all the time and CA was working days. It's really hard to believe that GA did not watch Caylee alone during that 2+ year stretch.

IIRC, didn't Cindy state she heard of Zanny at least a year and a half prior to this whole thing happening? And, before that Casey had one of her friends watching Caylee, I want to say Christina but I could be wrong on the name.

 

[logicalgirl]

And don't forget Dr. Spitz, who couldn't remember an interview he did 3 or 4 days earlier and did 60,000 autopsies in his career which someone did the math on and found the number a bit excessive.

How could I forget Dr. Spitz!!! And his image of someone sneaking up to the skull while it was still deep in the muck in the swamp and pasting duct tape over it!! :floorlaugh:

 

[beccalecca1]

As per jury instructions:

"A reasonable doubt is not a mere possible doubt, a speculative, imaginary or forced doubt."

Just because there is a possibility of something occurring does not mean that it constitutes a reasonable possibility.

IMO, there is plenty of evidence in the case to suggest that your scenario is not a reasonable possibility:

1. The medical examiner's testimony. There were 2 medical examiners in this case, it was up to the jury to decide if they wanted to believe both, none, or either one.
2. Casey's failure to admit an accidental drowning when confronted by the investigators at Universal Studios-- that would have been an easy way out for her. Why if your scenario was true did she not take it?Possibly because she was in denial, one of the symptoms of grief.
3. Her brushing off her mother's comments when told of the scenario of the drowning accident.
4. George Anthony's testimony of what transpired June 16th.The jury had a choice to believe GA or not, and from my understanding they didn't believe he was credible.

Responses in red.

 

[beccalecca1]

If by being out of touch with reality you mean that she could get away with her lies, then we are talking about two different things by the use of that term.

Casey was the sort of person who had a history of getting away with lying. She was good at it and she knew it. That is the kind of person who takes a lie that far.

But do you think she actually believed she worked at Universal Studios?
That would be being out of touch with reality.

:twocents:

No, I don't think she really thought she worked at Universal Studios.

I still hold the same post, why would she bring LE to Universal to pull the charade of her working there, she was in control of that situation. She clearly wasn't "grounded" at that point.

 

[Sustained]

IIRC, didn't Cindy state she heard of Zanny at least a year and a half prior to this whole thing happening? And, before that Casey had one of her friends watching Caylee, I want to say Christina but I could be wrong on the name.

I think it was Lauren, but she was only a very sporadic babysitter. I have yet to pour through CA's depo, but I myself am convinced that GA was alone with Caylee quite a few times. GA depo top pg. 107

Something else to consider about the molestation charges ... why did FCA permit GA to be in the delivery room at the hospital when Caylee was born ? Certainly, you wouldn't the man who supposedly
molested you in the delivery room ?

 

[beccalecca1]

JB was nitpicking at trivial things to make it seem GA was lying on purpose. As I said before, I challenge anyone to go back 2 years and remember everything that was happening in a very traumatic setting. I bet 99% of you can't and if you could remember some detail, it might not be consistent to what actually happened 2 years ago.

If GA would have said I had black underwear on during his depo and at trial he changed his answer to red, does that make him a liar ? Or someone who thinks he remembers, but really doesn't.

That is correct, it would be hard to remember every detail 2 years after the fact. But, if it were me taking a depo, I would state that it's hard for me to remember. I wouldn't fill in the blanks with whatever to just get it over with.

 

[logicalgirl]

This post breaks my heart. And I apologize in advance if I come across combative. It's not directed at you personally. But I have firsthand experience with having a DIL who is alarmingly like KC. Luckily, my son can fight for custody so if fate is kind to us, we'll be able to get my grandson out of harm's way. I just want to emphasize that grandparents have no rights. My DIL told the police that we "kidnapped" our grandson because he wandered upstairs (they live on our lower level) while his mom was passed out asleep. We had an appointment so I called my son at work to let him know we were taking the little guy with us. What were we supposed to do? Leave a toddler alone in a house while his mother slept off another bender? Well, according to my DIL, that's kidnapping. Of course the police didn't see it that way, but still what a mess. Until you have been in this incredibly painful position, you don't understand how difficult it is to navigate.

Again, not directed at you, eleni777. Just trying to shed light on CA and GA's catch 22 predicament.

Part of CA and GA's issue with CFCA caring for Caylee was that they never saw her abuse Caylee in any way. What they knew about CFCA was that she was a liar and a thief, and they knew at any given opportunity CFCA would dump Caylee on them while she went out to play.

And yes, much different than your DIL and I do understand Grandparents lack of rights, but being a thief and a liar does not get a guardian parents children taken away from her if the child does not "appear" to be in harm's way. In other words, as far as having Caylee taken away from CFCA, CA and GA were their own worst enemies.

They provided shelter, food, clothing and care for Caylee so how could they prove to any authorities she was not receiving adequate care? Damned that they did and damned if they didn't. The only person at risk to get the evidence they needed was Caylee. Unfortunately for Caylee, they did get their evidence.

 

[beccalecca1]

Well here's the problem - we don't have to prove it, and neither did the state. You've just proven one of our major objections as to how this jury came to their verdict.

We have to use common sense to discover who had the need for it. Who out of GA, CA and FCA was most likely to tell a lie, not face the responsibility of Caylee's death, regardless of murder or accident. Who was Caylee's only legal guardian, and had sole responsibility for her welfare? Who had a history of habitual lying and habitual history of not providing care for Caylee out of the three? And who was most likely to not make the 911 call? And whose behavior drastically changed immediately after Caylee died? Hmmmm....I wonder....:waitasec:...

BBM

I snipped your sentence on purpose. IMO, both GA and CA were equally telling lies and not facing their responsibilities. And, since GA used up the duct tape before the search warrant was executed, in a command center that provides it's own tape, I have to wonder why.

 

[logicalgirl]

I think it was Lauren, but she was only a very sporadic babysitter. I have yet to pour through CA's depo, but I myself am convinced that GA was alone with Caylee quite a few times. GA depo top pg. 107

Something else to consider about the molestation charges ... why did FCA permit GA to be in the delivery room at the hospital when Caylee was born ? Certainly, you wouldn't the man who supposedly
molested you in the delivery room ?

Permitted? Demanded! GA testified how uncomfortable he was being there while CFCA was giving birth, and he would have preferred not to be.

 

[logicalgirl]

The jury is not there for the victim and their justice. They are there to decide a defendants guilt or innocence based on evidence presented during the trial. If the jury was there to only get justice for Caylee, why have a trial at all, just render a verdict on day one?

This jury said they were there to make a decision and didn't want to choose "death"....

 

[Sustained]

That is correct, it would be hard to remember every detail 2 years after the fact. But, if it were me taking a depo, I would state that it's hard for me to remember. I wouldn't fill in the blanks with whatever to just get it over with.

Reread the entire depo when you get a chance. There are quite answers like:

1) I don't remember ...
2) I probably did ...
3) Around that size ...
4) I'm not really sure ...

All of those prove to me that his memory was good on some things and not so good on others as one would expect after a period of time.

 

[beccalecca1]

Like the prosecution stated she had the motive and would be the only one who gained something from her death. What did her mother,father or brother have to gain from Caylee's death? They were all heartbroken. It doesn't make sense. Oh and please don't tell me she was good mother. We all know that we try to look and act our BEST in pictures and videos so her playing with Caylee or smiling means nothing.

Although this is such a tragic thing to have happen, I have to ask who has gained the most from this.

CA and GA has made a lot of TV appearances, a lot of money has been made for interviews, etc etc. I don't recall Casey making anything from this tragedy. (I do know the speculation of JB receiving monies for her defense, but Casey has not been on any cruises lately).

 

[Sustained]

BBM

I snipped your sentence on purpose. IMO, both GA and CA were equally telling lies and not facing their responsibilities. And, since GA used up the duct tape before the search warrant was executed, in a command center that provides it's own tape, I have to wonder why.

Now, we're grasping aren't we ? Did GA know that Caylee would be found on 12/11/08 and subsequently search warrants would be issued ? And who said the command center was issuing their own tape ? Wasn't he the one that actually set up some of the command centers in and around his house ? There were certainly not there before Caylee went missing as I would have seen them ...

 

[beccalecca1]

I don't remember any evidence that supported 'anyone' else being responsible for Caylee's death. Everyone's access to evidence, as well as actions, attitude and behavior surrounding the death was taken into account and nothing pointed to anyone but FCA. And had she been innocent she most certainly had plenty of time to point the finger at someone other than herself and her imaginary nanny.

I also don't remember LE looking into GA's actions prior to the disappearance and after her death. All of their evidence surrounded Casey, which is why there was no evidence on someone else (besides her friends of course).

 

[beccalecca1]

For the umteenthousandth time, the state proved their case. The jurors were inept and either ignored the choices they had or didn't understand the choices they had. The jurors wanted to do home...it was 4th of July weekend.
THAT JURY DID NOT CARE ABOUT A PROPER VERDICT. NOR DID THEY CARE THAT CAYLEE GOT JUSTICE.

IMO, the state didn't prove their case. IMO, the state didn't realize what they were up against, and they just assumed that with a picture of duct tape the case would be closed.

 

[logicalgirl]

JB was nitpicking at trivial things to make it seem GA was lying on purpose. As I said before, I challenge anyone to go back 2 years and remember everything that was happening in a very traumatic setting. I bet 99% of you can't and if you could remember some detail, it might not be consistent to what actually happened 2 years ago.

If GA would have said I had black underwear on during his depo and at trial he changed his answer to red, does that make him a liar ? Or someone who thinks he remembers, but really doesn't.

JB was trying to pull a fast one on the jury with the gas can photos and it worked.

The gas cans were taken into evidence twice and both times pictures were taken.

JB was questioning GA about the depo answer he gave the second time, while showing him a photograph of the first time. As I said, a cheap shot, but it worked.

 

[beccalecca1]

OR.... She was arrogant, conniving and calculating enough to believe she could lie her way out of that too! And it worked!!! she got away with murder!!!

Actually, that was in reference to her taking LE to Universal, to her "office". She didn't lie her way out of that one, she was charged with lying to LE.

 

[beccalecca1]

Yeah just like those fake emails from Universal. She obviously believed she worked there, and apparently was channeling her boss she knew she had at the time and wrote what she thinks her boss wanted her to wear to work. Is that how your theory goes?

Not at all. I don't believe she was suffering from a mental defect, she wasn't able to be productive in society, etc.

What I'm talking about is that she didn't realize, because of compartmentalizing, the amount of trouble she was surrounded in especially taking LE to Universal to her "office" and that's when she realized there was no way out of that. Someone who lies to that extent, IMO, is out of touch with reality. Obviously you're going to get caught in that lie. IMO, those who are in touch with reality realize there is no way to continue the lie.

 

[beccalecca1]

Now would I feel guilty putting Casey behind bars? Not in the least...but I would sentence her for 20 years no parole with one option. If Casey wants to tell the truth and fess up to what happened, I would cut her time in halph no mater what happened. Otherwise I through the key away for 20 years.

You ask "what if it was a pool accident?" Casey already had that chance.

What tale would she tell that would be found truthful?

 

[beccalecca1]

I think it was Lauren, but she was only a very sporadic babysitter. I have yet to pour through CA's depo, but I myself am convinced that GA was alone with Caylee quite a few times. GA depo top pg. 107

Something else to consider about the molestation charges ... why did FCA permit GA to be in the delivery room at the hospital when Caylee was born ? Certainly, you wouldn't the man who supposedly
molested you in the delivery room ?

The pg. 107 I see refers to when he went to Sports Authority to check up on Casey. He wasn't with Caylee that day.