If you agree or disagree with the verdict, let us know why

[Aedrys]

But, how did they think Casey transported Caylee to the swamp?

I don't know. I just think they were able to really distance themselves from the trunk of that car. I mean, you're right, how did Casey get her there if not in the trunk? I think without them seeing and smelling that trunk, it became a non-issue to them. They didn't even think about it or lose any sleep over it because it wasn't made real to them. They should have seen that car, maybe even taken a trip to where Caylee was dumped. They were too shielded during this trial and it's no wonder they made the decision they made without reality slapping them in the face and making them care more about something else other than themselves.

 

[Smelly Squirrel]

But, how did they think Casey transported Caylee to the swamp?

Good point, but Baez implied George is the one who took care of everything.

Baez's positions were contradictory on this. If George moved the body, why didn't his car smell? If he used Casey's car, why does Baez pretend there was no body in the car? The body was moved somehow, but it's impossible it was ever in Casey's car, they would have you believe. And apparently the jury did buy it.

 

[beccalecca1]

Nono, you said the verdict is correct.
You theorized there was a drowning.
You opined there was no body in the car. According to your theory, no scent.

For whatever reason your post seem intent on slamming George.

My original point still stands. GA did not call 911 when we know for sure he should have. So, I believe he wouldn't call 911 at other times too.

 

[beccalecca1]

theBritster,
You imo are correctamundo.
All these anti GA post........... maybe he should get a lawyer. He was never a suspect, was never on trial but baez attacked him in a most brutal way. He continues to be attacked here.

He has a lawyer, and he's had legal counsel since very early in this case.

 

[RR0004]

The DT never said who placed Caylee in the swamp. I recommend listening to their OS again, because they never pointed the finger at either one of them for placing the body. It's just my opinion that GA had the know how to do it and get away with it.

And, Casey and GA were both in that house, through both the OS and GA testimony. I don't think it's known when Caylee actually died.

Well if it wasn't Casey as some here think then who was it? And I think the DT put enough inuendo in their OS to get that across.

 

[beccalecca1]

I see nothing incriminating about him not calling 911 at the tow yard.
1. He knew it couldn't be Casey's dead body since they've been talking to her everyday and the car had been there for 2 weeks.
2. He opened the trunk and there was no body. There was a trash bag, and he likely thought/hoped that was the source of the smell. (Note that to this day, the DT wants us to believe the trash bag was the source of the smell and likewise they resisted letting the jury smell the trunk liner sample).
3. Even if his head said a dead body was in the car, his heart wouldn't want to accept it. Heck, both Cindy and Lee still didn't accept Caylee's death even after the remains were identified.
4. They drove home and Cindy took over in dealing with it which has been their pattern from before that day and has been the pattern since that day to this day.



How would he know there was no bringing her back? Nobody knows that when they find a drowning victim. That's why 100% call 911.

Al of this has been pointed out before, zzzzzzzzzzz.

And, before when this was pointed out, I pointed out that once rigor mortis sets in, you know there's no coming back. I'm not saying that's what happened, but I am saying that GA would know if someone was dead dead, and not something that just happened so you could save her. If she was no longer blue, there's no hope (or at least not much at all). If her blood is already pooling in the bottom of her body vs. being in her vessels, there's no hope. You do know if you've seen it.

 

[RR0004]

Good point, but Baez implied George is the one who took care of everything.

Baez's positions were contradictory on this. If George moved the body, why didn't his car smell? If he used Casey's car, why does Baez pretend there was no body in the car? The body was moved somehow, but it's impossible it was ever in Casey's car, they would have you believe. And apparently the jury did buy it.

Ridiculous, isn't it?

 

[Baznme]

I don't believe he was always truthful to CA when it came to working. I do believe that he had some sort of involvement with KH and he did borrow money from her to pretend he was working to CA. And, I do believe that part of the reason they were going to split up was because of all the covering up GA did, all the money he blew away, and he wasn't contributing to the household.

According to SP (CA's mother), they would've been divorced but CA found out she would have to sign over half the house that was in her name and pay GA alimony. What kind of slap in the face is that?? If she would have to pay him alimony, he clearly wasn't bringing home much of a paycheck, if any.

becca, it's your prerogitive to believe GA was untruthful or not regarding his association with KH, but.....there's two sides to every story. She's an opportunist. She wanted her name out there. She got it. Whether or not GA had any, shall we say, colorful moments with her has absolutely nothing to do with his role as Caylee's grandfather, Cindy's husband and Casey and Lee's father. The DT used KH to do harm to GA's character. They succeeded and I am not surprised to hear the comments now coming from the jurors that they didn't trust GA's words.

The split up you refer to and the money he blew away was long before any of this happened. Ancient history, goes on every day in the real world and certainly wasn't any issues that were brought into the trial. As far as having to pay him alimony, that's a Florida thing. If you are married, everything is "community property" and if you split up.........you split two ways. If they agreed she keep the house, he gets the alimony equivalent to half the value of the house. Bam.....done......everybody walks away happy. It wouldn't have been because he wasn't making enough money. It would have been his entitlement as the other half of the marriage to collect the alimony in lieu of his half the value of the home.

As far as "all the covering up GA had to do", I'm not getting that part of your post. What covering up?

 

[Smelly Squirrel]

My original point still stands. GA did not call 911 when we know for sure he should have.

We know this for sure? A number of us have explained why he needn't be expected to while not knowing anything about Caylee's death.

So, I believe he wouldn't call 911 at other times too.

And you're comparing different situations as though they're the same. In a drowning situation, calling 911 is to save a life, and is a case where WE KNOW someone should call out of urgency. In a dead body smell situation, the reason to call would not be to save a life so there is no urgency, but to point to the possibility of a death. A disinterested observer might be expected to call in that case, but as already explained George would be having conflicting and confused emotions at that point. WE KNOW this is a man who is not a dispassionate, unemotional robot.

Simon Birch didn't call 911 neither. Does that mean he was complicit in Caylee's death?

 

[LinTX]

I can't remember if this statement was in a depo, interview or testimony, but I do remember George recalling his feelings during the time of retrieving the car. He said once he checked the trunk, he was worried about what those people KC had been hanging around with had gotten her into. He was wanting to find KC to find that out, and went to work knowing CA was going to find her, and she did. Yes, he should have called LE, but was convinced his daughter was only involved by association in some unknown situation, and wanted to find out what (and who) before calling them. I imagine he thought KC would need to be convinced to tell LE all she knew about "those people" who had dragged her into something awful.

Judging their actions regarding the car, based on what we all know now seems a little unfair to me. I'm pretty sure there is a lot both of those people would do differently with the information they now have...

 

[Baznme]

The DT never said who placed Caylee in the swamp. I recommend listening to their OS again, because they never pointed the finger at either one of them for placing the body. It's just my opinion that GA had the know how to do it and get away with it.

And, Casey and GA were both in that house, through both the OS and GA testimony. I don't think it's known when Caylee actually died.

So, let me see if I understand you correctly. You keep referring to GA as ex-LE (I assume to reiterate that his experience as such should tell him how to handle things correctly, like calling 911 from the tow yard) so.....if GA disposed of the body, he went 15 houses away to Suburban Dr. and dropped her off 30 ft. from the curb wrapped in her Pooh blanket, 2 trashbags, duct tape on the body and a laundry bag all coming from his home? Now, that's pretty interesting. Then, he lets his only daughter sit in jail for three years and SHE says nothing?

 

[RR0004]

Wasn't Casey a 22 yr old? I don't think her behavior is only related to her relationship with RM. I do believe she was behaving like a typical 22 yr old.

My daughter was 22 at the time and I can attest that even she thought Casey's behavior was abhorrent...she was a mother who had a responsibility to take care of her child...not dump her on her parents because she A) didn't feel like working but only pretended she was, or b) because she felt like partying. I don't think just any 22 year old would consistently lie to go out and party...nor would they bring their child to sleep in bed with their boyfriend.
That's just the thing...Casey didn't want the responsibility of having to work and provide for her child, she didn't want to be the 22 year old who had to stay home...she wanted a life with no Caylee. JMO

 

[beccalecca1]

Your original post that I quoted above --
you used the word twisted/twisting.

You're original post:

Originally Posted by kelian36
bbm
Did you watch the same trial we did?

BTW jurors shouldn't twist AT ALL.

My original post:

Originally Posted by beccalecca1
Actually, what is the definition of deliberations? Isn't that where jurors discuss what they feel is the verdict? (ie. twisting?)

I can't find the original posts this derived from, but someone posted that the jury had to twist a lot to come up with the not guilty decision, I stated IMO they didn't have to twist that much, and the rest of the post is up there.

the word "twist" IMO equates to deliberating. That's what jurors are suppose to do.

 

[beccalecca1]

GA testified that the drowning, as proposed by JB's OS, did not happen. He also testified that he would have done anything he could to save his granddaughter and that he had nothing to do with the disposal of her body. And, IIRC, JB completely avoided that line of questioning during his cross.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/28008941/detail.html

The only person who could provide testimony to the contrary was KC. And she, as is her right, chose not to. Therefore, there was no evidence presented to support the theory you've laid out.

The pictures introduced supported the theory of drowning. CA's testimony of not having locks to the back door supported the theory of drowning. And, if the jury felt that GA lied, then that also would support the theory of drowning.

 

[RR0004]

They did not say it happened on GA's watch. IIRC what was implied was that both Casey was there and GA helped cover it up. Actually I am not sure if GA was there or not.

From what I understand usually if an attorney request the right to a speedy trial it is so DNA/evidence is not found months later. It gives the SA less time to build a case. People usually consider an Attorney that request a speedy trial to be hiding something or not wanting to give the SA time to test/research. IMO

I was referring to someone (sorry...was it you?) who said that Casey was sleeping and George could have been then considered Caylee's caretaker. OY!

 

[beccalecca1]

dvdman,
Good points!
Yes, according to this jury, the ex-cop granddad killed his granddaughter. Why?.... because this particular jury couldn't imagine CA -a young mom-being guilty of harming her child. After all, there was one picture shown of FKA playing with her child. :banghead:

I didn't hear anyone stating they believed GA killed his granddaughter. Did you hear the jurors saying that?

 

[beccalecca1]

Another thing about George is that you can see from Tracy Mclaughin's and Tim Miller's interviews that George was trying to get information out of a very resistant Casey, while Cindy was more worried about sheltering Casey and denying Caylee was dead.

George had nothing to do with it.

You could also see from Tim Miller's interviews that GA didn't take this whole thing seriously in the beginning (or if ever). His first day meeting Tim, Tim heard GA say "Ok, where's this clown from TX I'm suppose to meet?"

 

[Deleted member 39678]

the word "twist" IMO equates to deliberating. That's what jurors are suppose to do.

The jury's to deliberate the facts in evidence.Twisting the facts of the case to fit something they wish for is not right IMO.

 

[RR0004]

This is emotion IMO. Everyone wants justice for Caylee and most feel that would have been giving CA the needle, some feel they need more proof before they can be 100% positive that CA is the right person and acted alone.

It's like a hit and run (I know nothing like a murder of a child) and you get the license plate number but you don't see the person driving. The cops go to the house and there are a possible 3 people in that home that could've been driving but they all deny it. Who do you charge?

But there's no emotion attached to thinking, perhaps even believing, a grandfather could have abused Casey and Caylee?

 

[Baznme]

The pictures introduced supported the theory of drowning. CA's testimony of not having locks to the back door supported the theory of drowning. And, if the jury felt that GA lied, then that also would support the theory of drowning.

IF.....it was a drowning.....I believe she was unconscious before being PUT in the pool. Easy, clean and quick. GA wasn't there and had nothing to do with it.