If you agree or disagree with the verdict, let us know why

[RR0004]

I've asked for directions, and it is a nice thing. But, at the point of the comment there were many pages to this thread and the posts were out there for anyone to find. And, the person I did write this post to did find the comments I was referring to.

On a side note, I did direct this poster to the correct thread, just not the correct page/post. It wasn't that hard for them to find.

Not exactly...

 

[Baznme]

There is no evidence to support that.

I'm not sure why its so hard to think that a 2 year old got out of the house and drowned.

and where is the evidence to support your comments on GA? That's the point!

 

[RR0004]

In total honesty, if I walked up to my daughter's car, smelled what I thought was a dead body in the car. Found trash in the car, so possibly I briefly thought it was trash. But, then I drove the car home and the whole time I mulled over if it was a dead body smell or trash in the car (I'm sure he mulled this a little at least), and my wife told me she would handle it at this point.....

I would still have looked into it myself. GA is known for being a private detective in the family when he's trying to get to the bottom of it. Why wouldn't he try to get to the bottom of a dead body smell, even if he knew Casey was fine, didn't think Caylee was the root of the smell, and that maybe Casey was just hanging around a bad group of people. If I thought my child was hanging around a bunch of people that possible run around killing people and putting them in trunks of cars, I would do everything in my power to get her away from those people and keep her away. I don't see myself casually going to work.

But then he wouldn't have been able to go to his non-job.

 

[beccalecca1]

Jury Foreman own words.

VAN SUSTEREN: Suspicious that he was involved in covering up the death, suspicious he was involved with the -- an accidental death, or suspicious he was a murderer?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All three.
VAN SUSTEREN: Really, that he was a murderer?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All three. We don't know. We don't know. The suspicions were raised.
VAN SUSTEREN: In the deliberation room?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We talked about it in deliberation. Yes, I can go a little more in depth into what we did in the deliberation room since I was the one who had to orchestrate the whole situation.
VAN SUSTEREN: How many people do you think at least -- and maybe it changed during the course of deliberations, but how many initially thought that George was responsible for a murder?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: George? Well, you know, there is no -- the problem is with the gray area, there's no way that we can tell the responsibility. What was in question a lot of times dealt with, you know, Caylee was with Cindy the night before. When she came back the next night, they looked at the pictures of them at the retirement community. Then, you know, they went to bed.
You know, guardianship, when it started, who was looking out for her that next day? You know, George and Cindy and Casey all took hand in raising Caylee. We know that, you know, Cindy went to work. And then the gray area comes in.
VAN SUSTEREN: But at that gray area, I'm thinking, you know, the -- I realize that George isn't charged in this case.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Right. Right.
VAN SUSTEREN: And he's not charged (INAUDIBLE) Casey, but what I find interesting is that some jurors thought that he might be responsible not just for an accident or cover-up but for a murder.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It was just -- it was just one of those things where we -- because he was there and there was a gray area there, he was in question for -- you know, for -- for us just being -- having -- having some character issues when he was on that stand. And he was there. He was there at the time, on that day that all the gray area is happening with us. And that puts him in that mix. It put him in the mix for us


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Suspicions don't equate to beliefs IMO. I believe they were saying that all 3 were possible, so that made it even harder to come up with a decision. They didn't come out, IMO, and state GA killed Caylee, go arrest him.

 

[Who_What_When]

I think this is a possibility as well, and possibly why the State did not bring all of these calls into evidence...not wanting the jury to think that there had been an accident.

ITA! I think that's why they didn't bring it in. I think if they brought it in it definitely would have worked more for the defense then the SA.

 

[GracieLu]

But, if your wife says she speaks to your daughter on a daily basis why would the first thought be- "Oh, my Casey killed Caylee"...IMPO...George was probably worried that Casey had been involved with something else...and I'd want to hear that explanation first if I was behaving like a parent. Can you imagine how much worse George would have looked if he had blamed Casey for an anonymous death? (not saying he looks bad to me) Don't get me wrong...I think deep down inside George was probably worried about both Casey' and Caylee's welfare...but who in their right (normal) mind, would even be able to wrap their brain around their own daughter killing their beloved grandchild?

omgosh you are so right (i just posted something similar above). My goodness his daughter stole from them all the time - I don't think it is "far-fetched" to think maybe he thought "a drug deal gone bad, carjacking, what have her friends done, etc" but Caylee wasn't missing (CA talked to FCA daily) so why would he jump to the conclusion that the smell of decomp was Caylee? Im a mom, I would most def would have questioned my kid first!

 

[RR0004]

I think this is a possibility as well, and possibly why the State did not bring all of these calls into evidence...not wanting the jury to think that there had been an accident.

Or...it pertained to the nonexisting fight and their NOT wanting to talk to her...which REALLY ticked her off so she did something totally Casey- spiteful b$tch that she was.

PS- didn't Cindy testify that Casey wanted her to babysit, but she was working late that night and couldn't? Or was that the day before Casey left to "bond" with her daughter?

 

[RR0004]

Suspicions don't equate to beliefs IMO. I believe they were saying that all 3 were possible, so that made it even harder to come up with a decision. They didn't come out, IMO, and state GA killed Caylee, go arrest him.

...and they didn't do their job to rely on the evidence and NOT their emotions!

 

[Sustained]

Snipped & BBM

I never saw those calls as Casey calling for a babysitter. I always felt that the flurry of phone calls led more to the possibility that is was an accident. I always wondered if things would have been different had Cindy picked up the phone. If it was an accident I think that those calls were her panicking because of what happened to Caylee and when no one answered I think it gave her time for the reality of it all sink in. That’s when I think she decided that she had to cover it up because they would never ever forgive her.

If it was an accident and she couldn't get hold of GA/CA, why didn't she call Lee ?

 

[RR0004]

omgosh you are so right (i just posted something similar above). My goodness his daughter stole from them all the time - I don't think it is "far-fetched" to think maybe he thought "a drug deal gone bad, carjacking, what have her friends done, etc" but Caylee wasn't missing (CA talked to FCA daily) so why would he jump to the conclusion that the smell of decomp was Caylee? Im a mom, I would most def would have questioned my kid first!

I know!! I saw it after I posted. We really have to stop hanging out together...are minds are meshing into one...lol.
oxoxox

 

[RR0004]

No, I don't think so, at least not in my case. We read about it every day in families more upstanding than the As and in families less upstanding. Fact is, this type of thing is UNDER reported.

Sorry...I don't think someone can "flippantly" call someone a child abuser/molester. IMO...there's definitely emotion attached to that. But as I will abide by the rules...no mention of "emotion" from me.

 

[Who_What_When]

If it was an accident and she couldn't get hold of GA/CA, why didn't she call Lee ?

IF, and I repeat IF it was an accident I don't know why she didn't call Lee. Perhaps after the flurry of calls the reality of it all set in and she realized that they would never forgive her and this was going to ruin everything for her. So she did what Casey does best, she took the easy way out. She covered it up and lied about it. Out of sight, out of mind.

 

[onewick]

You're original post:



My original post:



I can't find the original posts this derived from, but someone posted that the jury had to twist a lot to come up with the not guilty decision, I stated IMO they didn't have to twist that much, and the rest of the post is up there.

the word "twist" IMO equates to deliberating. That's what jurors are suppose to do.

Deliberation is an act of examining, considering or discussing the reasons for and against a measure. Deliberation includes collective discussions and exchange of preliminary facts. It is through deliberation that a party analyzes whether a thing should be done in a particular way or not. Law presumes that all acts performed are done with due deliberation.

HMMMM, DONT SEE "TWISTING" IN THE LEGAL DEFINITION!!!

 

[GracieLu]

In total honesty, if I walked up to my daughter's car, smelled what I thought was a dead body in the car. Found trash in the car, so possibly I briefly thought it was trash. But, then I drove the car home and the whole time I mulled over if it was a dead body smell or trash in the car (I'm sure he mulled this a little at least), and my wife told me she would handle it at this point.....

I would still have looked into it myself. GA is known for being a private detective in the family when he's trying to get to the bottom of it. Why wouldn't he try to get to the bottom of a dead body smell, even if he knew Casey was fine, didn't think Caylee was the root of the smell, and that maybe Casey was just hanging around a bad group of people. If I thought my child was hanging around a bunch of people that possible run around killing people and putting them in trunks of cars, I would do everything in my power to get her away from those people and keep her away. I don't see myself casually going to work.

how is CA calling her daughter to get to the bottom of it, not gettting to the bottom of it?

they didn't mull over the "smell" for weeks, this all happened in a matter of hours.

 

[RR0004]

I would agree with you but there has always been a lot of bashing of the Anthonys on here. Ironically most of the people defending them now are the same ones who slammed them 3 years ago. I know as I was one of the very few who stuck up for them when this all happened.

I don't think anyone called George a child molester...saying that they were in denial and that they lied to cover for their daughter did in fact turn out to be true...a truth that some now seem to be willing to accept as the reason George was involved.
And...when we did step over the line...we were reminded to watch our pdqs by the mods. I'll wait to hear from the powers to be if we are or are not still considering George a victim.

 

[jon_burrows]

omgosh you are so right (i just posted something similar above). My goodness his daughter stole from them all the time - I don't think it is "far-fetched" to think maybe he thought "a drug deal gone bad, carjacking, what have her friends done, etc" but Caylee wasn't missing (CA talked to FCA daily) so why would he jump to the conclusion that the smell of decomp was Caylee? Im a mom, I would most def would have questioned my kid first!

Although it wasn't brought out in the trial, I believe CA told one of her coworkers she wanted to give FCA a chance to explain first. Her coworkers were telling her to call the police. Anyone else remember that deposition?

IMO

 

[RR0004]

IF, and I repeat IF it was an accident I don't know why she didn't call Lee. Perhaps after the flurry of calls the reality of it all set in and she realized that they would never forgive her and this was going to ruin everything for her. So she did what Casey does best, she took the easy way out. She covered it up and lied about it. Out of sight, out of mind.

Why didn't she text.."please call me"?
Heck...why didn't she call 911?

 

[onewick]

There is no evidence to support that.

I'm not sure why its so hard to think that a 2 year old got out of the house and drowned.

It's not! But what is hard to believe that she then taped her nose & mouth, tripled bagged herself, rolled (perhaps?) to the swamp at the very same time her imaginanny kidnapped her while her "good Mom" was at her imaginary job!!!

 

[annalia]

In total honesty, if I walked up to my daughter's car, smelled what I thought was a dead body in the car. Found trash in the car, so possibly I briefly thought it was trash. But, then I drove the car home and the whole time I mulled over if it was a dead body smell or trash in the car (I'm sure he mulled this a little at least), and my wife told me she would handle it at this point.....

I would still have looked into it myself. GA is known for being a private detective in the family when he's trying to get to the bottom of it. Why wouldn't he try to get to the bottom of a dead body smell, even if he knew Casey was fine, didn't think Caylee was the root of the smell, and that maybe Casey was just hanging around a bad group of people. If I thought my child was hanging around a bunch of people that possible run around killing people and putting them in trunks of cars, I would do everything in my power to get her away from those people and keep her away. I don't see myself casually going to work.

You make many many assumptions which somehow, someway gets morphed into being evidence. Where's the evidence that he "casually" went to work? How do you know whether he even wanted to go to work but had no choice? How do you know that he and Cindy didn't come to an agreement that he needed to go to work while she notified LE, which she DID? How do you know he wasn't still trying to something to get to the bottom of it while at work?

If it was george who did the 911 calling instead of Cindy, would Cindy now be the one accused of being involved because she didn't call 911 herself?

 

[annalia]

...and they didn't do their job to rely on the evidence and NOT their emotions!

Exactly, it wasn't their job to assume facts not in evidence. Baez' OS is what should have been ignored by the jury since no evidence to support it ever came out in trial. But they used it to acquit Casey and they dismissed everything else. their own words are evidence of that.

And is there any wonder why there was a backlash about the verdict?

JMHO