If you agree or disagree with the verdict, let us know why

[Trident]

Well first of all she was in solitary for own protection.

Anyway sorry but the drowning theory just does not float especially with the partying afterwards and NOT reporting it for 31 days. Where is the remorse?
Why lie about the accident and blame others. I know you may not like hearing this but she is what she is. A cold blooded evil killer who away with murder.

The drowning theory does NOT have to float. It is the job of the DT to raise reasonable doubt, which they did. Thirty-one days? That proves nothing, nor does lack of remorse - neither proves murder. I don't see KC lying about the "accident", her lawyer did, supposedly, operative word, with her blessing or some such, but who really knows.

The law is NOT about justice, and I believe this is where many people are going wrong. The law is about interpretation of the law, the best spin wins - almost sounds like a carnival, doesn't it? Sad but true, that's what the law is all about.

'Course this is only my opinion

 

[beccalecca1]

If she is SO sick, she should be put in a mental recovery program institution forever!!! Lying is so not a sickness, it's a choice!!

I agree she should be in some sort of mental rehabilitation program, but i wouldn't agree it should be forever.

 

[beccalecca1]

I would be willing to make that leap if the lies had only begun after Caylee's death, but KC had been lying for years. Everyone thought she worked at Universal because of how much she talked about the job and even the people she worked with. She lied about having a nanny for years as well. She lied about so many things to so many people that it had to be a full time job keeping up with it all! She behaved no different after losing her kid than she did after losing her job, and that, is a scary person to have walking around free, IMO.

She did actually work at Universal up until shortly after Caylee's birth. I believe she lied about the nanny so she didn't have to leave Caylee with George. And, she was living at home up until the death, then she left the home she lived at for most of her life. She left her parents with no warning. I think that's a different behavior then the past.

 

[beccalecca1]

My bolding

To me it speaks loudly of someone trying to cover their tracks and buy time. She had already been stealing and lying, it didn't just start after Caylee's death.

In my post, I didn't state that her lying just began with that instant. I stated that her lies were outlandish at that point.

 

[beccalecca1]

I believe she is guilty of 1st degree murder. As per the jury instructions below by your scenario of culpable negligence (leading to death), being in the phone or the computer and not watching Caylee, followed by failing to call 911 is IMO reckless disregard for human life. Thus, Casey would be guilty of aggravated manslaughter of a child.


I would have accepted a verdict of aggravated manslaughter of a child to avoid a hung jury.

AGGRAVATED MANSLAUGHTER OF A CHILD

§ 782.07, Fla. Stat.

To prove the crime of Aggravated Manslaughter of a Child, the State must prove the following two elements beyond a reasonable doubt:

1. Caylee Marie Anthony is dead.

2. Casey Marie Anthony’s act(s) caused the death of Caylee Marie Anthony.

Or

The death of Caylee Marie Anthony was caused by the culpable negligence of Casey Marie Anthony.

I will now define "culpable negligence" for you. Each of us has a duty to act reasonably toward others. If there is a violation of that duty, without any conscious intention to harm, that violation is negligence. But culpable negligence is more than a failure to use ordinary care toward others. In order for negligence to be culpable, it must be gross and flagrant. Culpable negligence is a course of conduct showing reckless disregard of human life, or of the safety of persons exposed to its dangerous effects, or such an entire want of care as to raise a presumption of a conscious indifference to consequences, or which shows wantonness or recklessness, or a grossly careless disregard of the safety and welfare of the public, or such an indifference to the rights of others as is equivalent to an intentional violation of such rights. The negligent act or omission must have been committed with an utter disregard for the safety of others. Culpable negligence is consciously doing an act or following a course of conduct that the defendant must have known, or reasonably should have known, was likely to cause death or great bodily injury.

If you find the defendant guilty of Aggravated Manslaughter of a Child, you must then determine whether the State has further proved beyond a reasonable doubt that Caylee Marie Anthony was a child whose death was caused by the neglect of Casey Marie Anthony, a caregiver. “Child” means any person under the age of 18 years.

“Caregiver” means a parent, adult household member, or other person responsible for a child’s welfare.

“Neglect of a child” means:

1. A caregiver’s failure or omission to provide a child with the care, supervision, and services necessary to maintain a child’s physical and mental health, including, but not limited to, food, nutrition, clothing, shelter, supervision, medicine, and medical services that a prudent person would consider essential for the well-being of the child. Repeated conduct or a single incident or omission by a caregiver that results in, or could reasonably be expected to result in, a substantial risk of death of a child may be considered in determining neglect.

If this was an accident that was caused because Casey was on the phone, computer, etc. I don't believe this would be considered Manslaughter.

In the first bolded point, Casey would have to have caused the death of Caylee. If it is assumed that by not paying attention to her daughter she caused the death of her, then a lot of parents in this situation would be charged with manslaughter. Generally speaking, drownings in the family pool are considered accidents and LE doesn't charge the family members with manslaughter because of this. Drownings can happen in an instant.


In the second bolded statement, it talks about reckless disregard of human life, grossly careless disregard of public safety and wellness, etc. I believe that these charges are not related to a drowning accident in the pool.

If the jury decided to look at the pictures in evidence, and hear the testimony from witnesses, and drew that Caylee drowned in the family pool, I don't believe these charges would apply.

If the jury listened to testimony, viewed the evidence during trial, but drew no answers on how she died, I still don't believe these charges would apply because there are still unanswered questions.

:twocents:

 

[beccalecca1]

I also believe that her lies trying to make their lives better was to keep G & C
away. They were all very calculated lies to make it look like Caylee was being well cared for, otherwise she knew that G&C would be after her in a heartbeat. She certainly wasn't going to make it look like she was in trouble.

Ok, I can see that, but why would she tell the same lies to her friends? The same friends that have never met GA or CA?

 

[onewick]

Actually, the paper towels contained the one blow fly leg. It was one of the plastic containers that contained the maggots.


And, the "grave wax" covered papertowels also contained marijuana, how did that get there?

Wait!!!! Is it being suggested that because it is not known how the marijuana got there, then you rule out the 1 and only way "grave wax" would be?

 

[cmsg2002]

Ok, I can see that, but why would she tell the same lies to her friends? The same friends that have never met GA or CA?

because they were asking where Caylee was......remember this circle of friends had only been around for a month or 2.

<modsnip> theories of what MAY have happened. There was no evidence of an accident, there was no evidence of any molestation, and the DT's strategy was simply to deflect the blame onto someone else and away from the person that was responsible for Caylee's death. <modsnip> "suspicions" about GA are not based on any factual evidence obtained before trial nor any presented at trial. Many of the theories and suspicions <modsnip> of the verdict had been discussed and vetted ad nauseaum here at WS for the past 3 years.....<modsnip>.

<modsnip>.

 

[beccalecca1]

Most respectfully, there is NO evidence that Casey was not in touch with reality, certainly not in the trial, and not even outside of the trial evidence.

1. No evidence of this was presented in the case. On the contrary the defense admitted that Casey was a liar, which is something quite different.
2. There is a pattern and internal logic to her lies- to get her out of a jam, and to provide plausible excuses.
3. If she were not in touch with reality, this would be an insanity defense. If psychologists who examined Casey had found evidence of insanity, don't you think they would have used it as part of the defense?

Yes, Casey compartmentalized, but that is not at all the same as not being in touch with reality.

BBM

From what I understand, it actually is similar to not being in touch with reality. You compartmentalize so you don't have to deal with certain aspects of your life. You put those thoughts/feelings into a little box in your head and close it up until you're ready to deal with it (maybe never deal with it). That way, you can do what you have to do to get by and you don't have these nagging thoughts of whatever is bothering you.

In essence, you not dealing with whatever it is that's bothering you is allowing you to pretend it's not real so you can go on in life. That is not realistic.

For example, lets say you (or someone you know) have an astronomical amount of debt in your life, bill collectors are calling you all the time, etc. Say you were able to compartmentalize the stress of all of that when you walk out the door of your house to go to the mall with some friends, then you start buying things because you get lost in the moment with your friends doing the same, etc etc..... that is not being in touch with reality because you truly cannot afford that stuff but you're rationalizing in your head that you can afford it.

 

[annalia]

Ok, I can see that, but why would she tell the same lies to her friends? The same friends that have never met GA or CA?

Because she needed to cover her tracks on all fronts, not knowing that they would never be in touch with G&C?

Casey wasn't mentally insane and her lies prove that out. Too perfectly scripted.

If she was mentally insane her DT would have been all over it.

JMHO

 

[annalia]

BBM

From what I understand, it actually is similar to not being in touch with reality. You compartmentalize so you don't have to deal with certain aspects of your life. You put those thoughts/feelings into a little box in your head and close it up until you're ready to deal with it (maybe never deal with it). That way, you can do what you have to do to get by and you don't have these nagging thoughts of whatever is bothering you.

In essence, you not dealing with whatever it is that's bothering you is allowing you to pretend it's not real so you can go on in life. That is not realistic.

For example, lets say you (or someone you know) have an astronomical amount of debt in your life, bill collectors are calling you all the time, etc. Say you were able to compartmentalize the stress of all of that when you walk out the door of your house to go to the mall with some friends, then you start buying things because you get lost in the moment with your friends doing the same, etc etc..... that is not being in touch with reality because you truly cannot afford that stuff but you're rationalizing in your head that you can afford it.

My bolding

That doesn't mean you're not in touch with reality as in mental defects. The person still knows right from wrong. casey knew right from wrong

My goodness how far can the excuses and making things up go for this woman. I wish I could post what I really think but I can't without getting timed out.

 

[beccalecca1]

because they were asking where Caylee was......remember this circle of friends had only been around for a month or 2.

no offense becca...but the majority of your posts are your own personal opinion and theories of what MAY have happened. There was no evidence of an accident, there was no evidence of any molestation, and the DT's strategy was simply to deflect the blame onto someone else and away from the person that was responsible for Caylee's death. Your "suspicions" about GA are not based on any factual evidence obtained before trial nor any presented at trial. Many of the theories and suspicions you are relying on in support of the verdict had been discussed and vetted ad nauseaum here at WS for the past 3 years.....and since you just joined in June of 2011, you may have missed much of why so many here vehemently disagree with the verdict.

lets stick to the facts and not possibilities.

Actually, the judge allowed evidence into trial supporting the drowning, which I have posted a few times in this thread.

My suspicions of GA are actually based on facts, it is a fact that he has lied throughout this whole investigation. It is a fact that he has been evasive on somethings and very forthcoming on other things.

And, I disagree that a majority of my posts are based on opinions or theories. In fact, I've posted many links to back up what evidence I was pointing out (or links to show other post's evidence, etc).

 

[beccalecca1]

Because she needed to cover her tracks on all fronts, not knowing that they would never be in touch with G&C?

Casey wasn't mentally insane and her lies prove that out. Too perfectly scripted.

If she was mentally insane her DT would have been all over it.

JMHO

Mentally insane, IMO, means that you cannot function in society, in all aspects of functioning.

There are actually very few people who qualify for the mental defect defense.

 

[beccalecca1]

My bolding

That doesn't mean you're not in touch with reality as in mental defects. The person still knows right from wrong. casey knew right from wrong

My goodness how far can the excuses and making things up go for this woman. I wish I could post what I really think but I can't without getting timed out.

I didn't mean to infer that Casey had a mental defect. I meant to infer the point that you bolded. Someone, even in that minor sense, is not necessarily in touch with reality (you shouldn't be out spending money because bill collectors are knocking down your door). Even that person isn't thinking about their bills, so they're spending money they don't have, so they're not seeing "reality" in a whole.

 

[sacrablue]

Actually, the judge allowed evidence into trial supporting the drowning, which I have posted a few times in this thread.

My suspicions of GA are actually based on facts, it is a fact that he has lied throughout this whole investigation. It is a fact that he has been evasive on somethings and very forthcoming on other things.

And, I disagree that a majority of my posts are based on opinions or theories. In fact, I've posted many links to back up what evidence I was pointing out (or links to show other post's evidence, etc).

I believe there was a picture of the A's house showing a street in front. I think Caylee walked out the front door and was struck by a car in the street. Oh wait, we can't use a car accident, there would have been a witness and we don't want a witness.
Drowning sure fits in well.

 

[Sustained]

She did actually work at Universal up until shortly after Caylee's birth. I believe she lied about the nanny so she didn't have to leave Caylee with George. And, she was living at home up until the death, then she left the home she lived at for most of her life. She left her parents with no warning. I think that's a different behavior then the past.

IMO, she left home for an obvious reason. There was no Caylee to bring home anymore and FCA didn't want to deal with the constant questions of "When will we see Caylee again ?". George states in his depo that either he or CA would watch Caylee sometimes while FCA was "working". And why did FCA tell GA in their jailhouse conversation what a great dad and grandfather he had been ? Acting to cover their mutual crime ?

As far as GA molesting Caylee, it didn't happen. I'd like to see Caylee's pediatric records and I'm sure the DT would have subpoenaed those records to see if there was any evidence of sexual abuse.

 

[beccalecca1]

Wait!!!! Is it being suggested that because it is not known how the marijuana got there, then you rule out the 1 and only way "grave wax" would be?

"Grave wax" or adipocere doesn't strictly come from human decomposition. And, with that in mind, I'm just curious what the explanations of marijuana are with the idea that the paper towels were used to clean up human decomposition fluid mess from the trunk.

 

[beccalecca1]

I believe there was a picture of the A's house showing a street in front. I think Caylee walked out the front door and was struck by a car in the street. Oh wait, we can't use a car accident, there would have been a witness and we don't want a witness.

I'm not sure how this post is constructive to the case. No one spoke of a street, car accident, etc.

 

[beccalecca1]

IMO, she left home for an obvious reason. There was no Caylee to bring home anymore and FCA didn't want to deal with the constant questions of "When will we see Caylee again ?". George states in his depo that either he or CA would watch Caylee sometimes while FCA was "working". And why did FCA tell GA in their jailhouse conversation what a great dad and grandfather he had been ? Acting to cover their mutual crime ?

As far as GA molesting Caylee, it didn't happen. I'd like to see Caylee's pediatric records and I'm sure the DT would have subpoenaed those records to see if there was any evidence of sexual abuse.

From what I read in his depo, he stated that CA watched Caylee 99% of the time, the other 1% was Zanny (supposedly).

 

[sacrablue]

I'm not sure how this post is constructive to the case. No one spoke of a street, car accident, etc.

Baez would have if there was no pool in the backyard.