If you look at it logically it's very clear who did it!

[Jink3]

It is very easy to find pictures of stun gun wounds that look like the marks on JonBenet.



In one of the marks on JonBenet's face there is a white film, which would have come from melted adhesive from the tape that would have been over that mark. A stun gun could cause the adhesive to melt. Train tracks couldn't.



Schiller, "Perfect Murder, Perfect Town" p371







p453





Why did Jaycee Dugard's captors feel the need to use a stun gun to subdue her?



The sources for the duct tape and the cord used in the ligature and garrotte weren't found in the house either



Likely before, but after he put the tape on her. If she squirmed more than he bargained for, he could have used it twice to subdue and when it failed to fully work use something (likely the bat) to hit her over the head.



Green garland from the railing of the spiral staircase was in her hair. It would get there of he carried her downstairs, not if she walked. But I agree he likely prevented a benign image to her.



I don't believe she did.



By the time the stun gun was used there was tape over her mouth. My guess is that the ligature and the garrotte were in play by then.



No one could ever prove they bought one or owned one. And they tried.

This is all rubbish I can’t even begin to get into the weeds with you here. Please source evidence, not a biased book written by an investigative reporter unfamiliar with the actual facts of the case. It’s silly. If you come back with the evidence we can discuss.

All I will say is this. OBVIOUSLY it’s easy to find pictures that look like stun gun marks! That’s exactly what investigators like Lou Smit thought! The problem arose after when the were proven to NOT BE. You can keep telling people they are, but that doesn’t make you correct, that makes you misleading. But you do you.

Why would the intruder remove some items from the home but leave others? Why did PR make a purchase at the home goods store previously for items priced EXACTLY the same as the chord and the tape? Where did JR go for 80 minutes while under the watch of Detective Arndt? If the green garland on the stairs were around the banisters and found in her hair, how would her being carried not put her head far above the banisters when her height was the same of the banisters height? Seems you got that backwards, unless you think she was carried by someone a few inches tall? The tape had imprints of her lips, meaning is was placed after she was unconscious or dead… what’s the point then? You claim the garrote was already in play when she was hit in the head to subdue her, why Does the autopsy show the strangling occurred between 45 mins and 2 hours after the head wound? Did he feed her pineapple after the head wound?

Again, I can go all day and I know this will anger you, but these aren’t real facts of the case that you state. There’s lots of material out there with real facts that you can then interpret your own way.

 

[ispywithmylittleeye]

A garrote is waaay too sophisticated for a 9 year old.

 

[ispywithmylittleeye]

A garrote is waaay too sophisticated for a 9 year old.

 

[Jink3]

Like this?

But you offer plenty of opinions that are not fact and take a lot of liberty drawing your own conclusions.
Please dont insist from others that in which you do not do.

Thank you ispy, it’s crazy! I now theorize this guy is a relative lol. He’s very active and spends a ton of time inaccurately fact checking while providing no real sources himself. This sure is a crazy site huh!

 

[FergusMcDuck]

This is all rubbish I can’t even begin to get into the weeds with you here. Please source evidence, not a biased book written by an investigative reporter unfamiliar with the actual facts of the case. It’s silly. If you come back with the evidence we can discuss.

The green garland:

The warrants confirmed that fragments of a green substance, consistent with the decorative Christmas garland found on the spiral staircase, were found entwined in JonBenét’s hair, which suggested that she might not have been awake but asleep, wounded, or already unconscious when she was carried down the stairs.

Schiller PMPT p543

The adhesive comes from Bob Whitson's "Injustice" pp208-212

I believe everything else was sourced.

All I will say is this. OBVIOUSLY it’s easy to find pictures that look like stun gun marks! That’s exactly what investigators like Lou Smit thought! The problem arose after when the were proven to NOT BE. You can keep telling people they are, but that doesn’t make you correct, that makes you misleading. But you do you.

I prefer to rely on experts. Here is the report from Dobersen (1 2 3 4)

Why would the intruder remove some items from the home but leave others?

Because those were the items he brought with him (tape, cord, stun gun). The rope was upstairs so he either forgot or abandoned it.

Why would the parents leave some objects and remove some?

Why did PR make a purchase at the home goods store previously for items priced EXACTLY the same as the chord and the tape?

Those prices were super generic. And there was no evidence the tape or cord had been used anywhere else in the house.

Where did JR go for 80 minutes while under the watch of Detective Arndt?

Upstairs?

If the green garland on the stairs were around the banisters and found in her hair, how would her being carried not put her head far above the banisters when her height was the same of the banisters height? Seems you got that backwards, unless you think she was carried by someone a few inches tall?

This doesn't make the slightest bit of sense.

The tape had imprints of her lips, meaning is was placed after she was unconscious or dead… what’s the point then?

This seems more like a Thomas fancy than anything solid.

You claim the garrote was already in play when she was hit in the head to subdue her, why Does the autopsy show the strangling occurred between 45 mins and 2 hours after the head wound?

Have you read the autopsy report? It doesn't say that.

Did he feed her pineapple after the head wound?

He didn't feed her pineapple at all.

Again, I can go all day and I know this will anger you, but these aren’t real facts of the case that you state. There’s lots of material out there with real facts that you can then interpret your own way.

Why would I be angry?

 

[Tower]

They invited a friend in that night after the party, he killed JBR and left, then the family covered it up and lied for 30 years to protect their child killer friend? I’m not sure I follow but maybe I’m misunderstanding.

If you see something wrong with my theory please let me know! You say it has holes, but I’m failing to see what those holes are, and I want to!

It has been proposed in the past that a close friend who had been invited into their lives was abusing JBR, possibly in conjunction with JR and/or JAR. There is not clear evidence of any theory which is why the case is unsolved.

 

[FergusMcDuck]

A toggle rope isn't used to move heavy things. JonBenet would be just as hard to move as with his hands. If she was a bunch of sticks, he could have bundled them together with it, but otherwise? Useless.

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

It is unfortunate there is so much left unknown and unsaid in this case. IANAL….. and maybe has already been asked, but is there anyway to request or FOIA the now dormant Grand Jury evidence and testimony that IIUC chose to indict the parents….. but the DA ….. well I will stop here.

And yes, I know the ham sandwich adage. And yes, some evidence is often sealed. Permanently?

It would have been a good thing had those charges and case been allowed to proceed IMO. Because many surmise that evidence and details from depositions just might have shown light on critical details of the events in that household that evening and morning.

Just wish more was known and available in this case. IMO the prosecutors and DA in Boulder haven’t done any favors to the public in this case. MOO

 

[ispywithmylittleeye]

A toggle rope isn't used to move heavy things. JonBenet would be just as hard to move as with his hands. If she was a bunch of sticks, he could have bundled them together with it, but otherwise? Useless.

But was it usless used as a garrotte?
You must be a few posts behind.

 

[Jink3]

It has been proposed in the past that a close friend who had been invited into their lives was abusing JBR, possibly in conjunction with JR and/or JAR. There is not clear evidence of any theory which is why the case is unsolved.

What you have just said was proposed, however, has no spec of evidence whatsoever. That is literally something someone made up. There is evidence she was being SA. So, we can theorize that most likely, it was someone in the home. You can theorize it was someone outside the home. It’s quite the leap to propose they were facilitating the SA by pimping JBR out to friends in some pedophilic crime ring haha

 

[ispywithmylittleeye]

Thank you ispy, it’s crazy! I now theorize this guy is a relative lol. He’s very active and spends a ton of time inaccurately fact checking while providing no real sources himself. This sure is a crazy site huh!

There is a similar poster on YouTube that berates and insults other posters theories. They try to pass off their posts as fact when its complete spin. Eventually, everyone will ignore them.

 

[Tower]

What you have just said was proposed, however, has no spec of evidence whatsoever. That is literally something someone made up. There is evidence she was being SA. So, we can theorize that most likely, it was someone in the home. You can theorize it was someone outside the home. It’s quite the leap to propose they were facilitating the SA by pimping JBR out to friends in some pedophilic crime ring haha

I agree, I think it’s a crazy theory. It is also my personal opinion that Burke was not involved, but that’s just my opinion.

 

[Nannydrew]

Think logical is definitely the correct path. Whenever my children claim to be sick or possibly exaggerate an injury, I always use one trick. I play into their claim, but I offer them their favorite snack. My daughter fell of our swingset and smacked her head. She had a huge knot on the back of her head and when I brought her into the house, she began to cry and stumble around. Could she have a brain injury?? So I offered her ice cream with cookies and within a few minutes I knew that she was fine. So imagine Patsy finding Jonbenet crying after she and her brother got into a fight. Jonbenet is crying, but is she playing it up to garner more attention? Patsy would have been terrified and panicked. She tried assessing the situation by having Jonbenet balance on one foot and she used the flashlight to check her pupils. Still unsure, Patsy tried to distract JB by telling her that she could have any snack she wanted down in the kitchen. Patsy would carefully watch to see if JB could maneuver down the stairs and coherently ask for her favorite snack. Maybe at that time, JB was still able to walk and talk. Or perhaps Patsy helped her down the stairs and into the kitchen, where JB slumped to the floor and Patsy begged her to snap out of it by offering her a favorite snack (pineapple.) Why else was there a bowl of pineapple on the table? Only close family would have known that this was her favorite snack. Also whenever her kids were feeling sick to their stomach, Patsy would offer them tea and she would offer it in a glass, not a mug. What else was at the table right next to the pineapple? A glass of tea.

 

[Jink3]

The green garland:



Schiller PMPT p543

The adhesive comes from Bob Whitson's "Injustice" pp208-212

I believe everything else was sourced.



I prefer to rely on experts. Here is the report from Dobersen (1 2 3 4)



Because those were the items he brought with him (tape, cord, stun gun). The rope was upstairs so he either forgot or abandoned it.

Why would the parents leave some objects and remove some?



Those prices were super generic. And there was no evidence the tape or cord had been used anywhere else in the house.



Upstairs?



This doesn't make the slightest bit of sense.



This seems more like a Thomas fancy than anything solid.



Have you read the autopsy report? It doesn't say that.



He didn't feed her pineapple at all.



Why would I be angry?

Think logical is definitely the correct path. Whenever my children claim to be sick or possibly exaggerate an injury, I always use one trick. I play into their claim, but I offer them their favorite snack. My daughter fell of our swingset and smacked her head. She had a huge knot on the back of her head and when I brought her into the house, she began to cry and stumble around. Could she have a brain injury?? So I offered her ice cream with cookies and within a few minutes I knew that she was fine. So imagine Patsy finding Jonbenet crying after she and her brother got into a fight. Jonbenet is crying, but is she playing it up to garner more attention? Patsy would have been terrified and panicked. She tried assessing the situation by having Jonbenet balance on one foot and she used the flashlight to check her pupils. Still unsure, Patsy tried to distract JB by telling her that she could have any snack she wanted down in the kitchen. Patsy would carefully watch to see if JB could maneuver down the stairs and coherently ask for her favorite snack. Maybe at that time, JB was still able to walk and talk. Or perhaps Patsy helped her down the stairs and into the kitchen, where JB slumped to the floor and Patsy begged her to snap out of it by offering her a favorite snack (pineapple.) Why else was there a bowl of pineapple on the table? Only close family would have known that this was her favorite snack. Also whenever her kids were feeling sick to their stomach, Patsy would offer them tea and she would offer it in a glass, not a mug. What else was at the table right next to the pineapple? A glass of tea.

That’s an interesting theory I’d never heard before. I’d be inclined to agree with you, the problem is that the hit to the head was severe and knocked her out cold immediately.

 

[PolyDot]

I agree an adult has committed this crime

A garrote is waaay too sophisticated for a 9 year old.

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[PolyDot]

Not true at all. The garrote was not actually a typical garrote. It was a Boy Scout mechanism used to help move heavy objects. The family pushed to the media how intricate the knots were, but experts have said they are relatively simple. You can even find them in the Boy Scout handbook.

I wonder if anyone in that house was a boy scout, or maybe someone was a navy veteran that specialized in knot tying? Did anyone have sailing experience?

I think an adult has done the garrote - sounds like sexual torture - sexual abuse of children that is not just a once off - often includes torture style ie using implements etc

 

[Jink3]

I think an adult has done the garrote - sounds like sexual torture - sexual abuse of children that is not just a once off - often includes torture style ie using implements etc

So why didn’t the “garrote” cause any internal damage to her wind pipe? Doesn’t sound very torturous. Why does the intruder want to torture her if she’s already unconscious? Kinda defeats the purpose. Why was the paintbrush handle only inserted once? Surely a sexual sadist intent on torturing would do something more than that? Why did the intruder redress her and wrap her in a blanket next to her favorite pajamas? Seems like actions that a remorseful person would take, not the sexual sadist?

 

[FergusMcDuck]

But was it usless used as a garrotte?
You must be a few posts behind.

It did exactly what it was meant to do - it strangled and killed her.

 

[Slebby]

So why didn’t the “garrote” cause any internal damage to her wind pipe? Doesn’t sound very torturous. Why does the intruder want to torture her if she’s already unconscious? Kinda defeats the purpose. Why was the paintbrush handle only inserted once? Surely a sexual sadist intent on torturing would do something more than that? Why did the intruder redress her and wrap her in a blanket next to her favorite pajamas? Seems like actions that a remorseful person would take, not the sexual sadist?

I definitely agree, the SA seems staged. Someone went to the trouble and risk of getting into the house and accessing JB. I would expect grievous SA injuries. This has always stood out for me.
IMO

 

[Slebby]

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