If you look at it logically it's very clear who did it!

[Bekind89]

That’s only your opinion. It doesn’t change the fact that burke was in counselling and spoke to psychologists at the child advocacy centre arranged by the boulder police. No evidence of abuse of any kind was suspected or found. Burke and his older siblings have also spoken publicly and affirmed they never experienced any forms of abuse by their parents.

Yes, it is only our opinions because we have no way of knowing the actual dynamics of a family that we have never met.
Money buys silence and yes, that is just my opinion.
But my opinion will never change. Not about JR.

 

[Deleted member 187229]

Yes, it is only our opinions because we have no way of knowing the actual dynamics of a family that we have never met.
Money buys silence and yes, that is just my opinion.
But my opinion will never change. Not about JR.

I have suspicions too, I don’t rule anyone out per sae but my main opinion is that an intruder did it. Based mainly on the DNA and there was no evidence of abuse with in the family. What makes you suspect John? I’ve asked this question to a lot of people but they never answer it.

 

[Bekind89]

I have suspicions too, I don’t rule anyone out per sae but my main opinion is that an intruder did it. Based mainly on the DNA and there was no evidence of abuse with in the family. What makes you suspect John? I’ve asked this question to a lot of people but they never answer it.

Many,many things starting with the fact that he had to be stopped from booking a flight out of Boulder not even an hour after finding his murdered daughter.
The fact that his first and second thoughts within an hour of finding his murdered daughter were fleeing the state and lawyering up .
The RN, no signs of any intruder and JB being found in an obscure location, the WC.
I also will never believe that an intruder would take the time to write the War and Peace of RN's, using the Ramsey's notepad and pen, feed JB pineapple, and after all of that fail to take his kidnapping victim with him.
Utter nonsense.
Jmo

 

[Deleted member 187229]

Many,many things starting with the fact that he had to be stopped from booking a flight out of Boulder not even an hour after finding his murdered daughter.
The fact that his first and second thoughts within an hour of finding his murdered daughter were fleeing the state and lawyering up .
The RN, no signs of any intruder and JB being found in an obscure location, the WC.
I also will never believe that an intruder would take the time to write the War and Peace of RN's, using the Ramsey's notepad and pen, feed JB pineapple, and after all of that fail to take his kidnapping victim with him.
Utter nonsense.
Jmo

Do you think John wrote the ransom note?

 

[Bekind89]

Do you think John wrote the ransom note?

It's possible, but one of them did , IMHO.
As I posted previously, it was very difficult for me to have to accept the fact that PR was involved. It was inconceivable to me she would harm her child , especially in such a brutal manner. But the evidence points to both parents.
We will never know if PR covered for or protected JR or if he did the same for her.
But IMHO, it defies belief that neither parent committed this crime.

 

[Deleted member 187229]

It's possible, but one of them did , IMHO.
As I posted previously, it was very difficult for me to have to accept the fact that PR was involved. It was inconceivable to me she would harm her child , especially in such a brutal manner. But the evidence points to both parents.
We will never know if PR covered for or protected JR or if he did the same for her.
But IMHO, it defies belief that neither parent committed this crime.

The paintbrush broken at both ends seems like it was done by a man in my opinion. The paintbrush was fairly thick and it would take a bit of strength to snap. Not a lot of people know about garrottes, it’s not a usual murder weapon and I don’t think patsy would have known how to make one. John might have. The murder was gruesome. If they were going to strangle her why not just tie the cord around her neck? Why snap the paintbrush and attach it to the tail end of the cord? The coroners report said the neck ligature was tied behind the neck in a double knot. What purpose did the paintbrush serve? . If the parents did it, intentionally or accidentally, why would John give the police the note pads when asked for handwriting samples? Why not give them letters or something else? Why hand them the very note pad the ransom note was written on? It’s so bizarre none of it makes sense.

 

[Bekind89]

The paintbrush broken at both ends seems like it was done by a man in my opinion. The paintbrush was fairly thick and it would take a bit of strength to snap. Not a lot of people know about garrottes, it’s not a usual murder weapon and I don’t think patsy would have known how to make one. John might have. The murder was gruesome. If they were going to strangle her why not just tie the cord around her neck? Why snap the paintbrush and attach it to the tail end of the cord? The coroners report said the neck ligature was tied behind the neck in a double knot. What purpose did the paintbrush serve? . If the parents did it, intentionally or accidentally, why would John give the police the note pads when asked for handwriting samples? Why not give them letters or something else? Why hand them the very note pad the ransom note was written on? It’s so bizarre none of it makes sense.

These are the questions that make this case so very frustrating and sadly, we will never understand or really know what went on that tragic night.
It's actually haunting to us and I do not believe we will ever have any closure.
The Delphi murders and the Watts case are the other two cases that just haunt me, but at least the victims in those cases did have a measure of justice. Their killers are in prison.
It is heartbreaking that little JB will probably never have justice in this life .
Heartbreaking and infuriating.

 

[ispywithmylittleeye]

That’s only your opinion. It doesn’t change the fact that burke was in counselling and spoke to psychologists at the child advocacy centre arranged by the boulder police. No evidence of abuse of any kind was suspected or found. Burke and his older siblings have also spoken publicly and affirmed they never experienced any forms of abuse by their parents.

Have you read the reports in there entirety?

 

[ispywithmylittleeye]

Yes, it is only our opinions because we have no way of knowing the actual dynamics of a family that we have never met.
Money buys silence and yes, that is just my opinion.
But my opinion will never change. Not about JR.

For being incredibly lucky, that intruder was sure a dumb a$$.

 

[Deleted member 187229]

Have you read the reports in there entirety?

Not the psychology reports. I can’t find them.

 

[Tower]

My opinion is until everything is released , we will never know.
LE, autopsy, Grang jury transcripts all hold information we do not have and may hold far more telling information about the case.

Yes, that’s true. It’s not clear that we will ever see that info unless there is a break in the case leading to trial. Maybe DNA? I am not holding my breath.

 

[Bekind89]

For being incredibly lucky, that intruder was sure a dumb a$$.

For being incredibly lucky, that intruder was sure a dumb a$$.

Good grief but that home was nasty, wasn't it?
Could the blow to her head have occured as she was being SA'ed?
Because I have always believed that the person SA'ing her hurt that night , hurt her enough to cause her scream/cry and was unable to calm her. In order for the person to not be exposed as a child ra***g pedophile, that person hit her on her head to silence her.
Someone in fear of being exposed, someone with a lot to lose, and someone with an explosive temper. Jmo.

 

[ispywithmylittleeye]

Yes, that’s true. It’s not clear that we will ever see that info unless there is a break in the case leading to trial. Maybe DNA? I am not holding my breath.

I'm holding out for a tell all by someone in the know.

 

[Tower]

The paintbrush broken at both ends seems like it was done by a man in my opinion. The paintbrush was fairly thick and it would take a bit of strength to snap. Not a lot of people know about garrottes, it’s not a usual murder weapon and I don’t think patsy would have known how to make one. John might have. The murder was gruesome. If they were going to strangle her why not just tie the cord around her neck? Why snap the paintbrush and attach it to the tail end of the cord? The coroners report said the neck ligature was tied behind the neck in a double knot. What purpose did the paintbrush serve? . If the parents did it, intentionally or accidentally, why would John give the police the note pads when asked for handwriting samples? Why not give them letters or something else? Why hand them the very note pad the ransom note was written on? It’s so bizarre none of it makes sense.

This is very graphic and I don’t have sources readily available, but I have read two FBI profilers state that SA with an object is not female behavior, but is seen exclusively in
abuse by males. This rules out PR doing that particular disgusting act for me.

 

[Tower]

I'm holding out for a tell all by someone in the know.

Yes! Not sure if I’d believe just anyone, but yes.

 

[Bekind89]

This is very graphic and I don’t have sources readily available, but I have read two FBI profilers state that SA with an object is not female behavior, but is seen exclusively in
abuse by males. This rules out PR doing that particular disgusting act for me.

Yes, I never believed PR did this because of the manner of the SA.
But whether or not she covered for JR I will never know.

 

[Tower]

Good grief but that home was nasty, wasn't it?

Heck, yes! My back patio after a windstorm (this week) is pristine compared to that.

Someone in fear of being exposed, someone with a lot to lose, and someone with an explosive temper. Jmo.

Unfortunately, that doesn’t narrow it down. Every single possible suspect including random pedos could be described that way. No one would want to be exposed or heard committing those awful acts. Jmo

 

[Bekind89]

Heck, yes! My back patio after a windstorm (this week) is pristine compared to that.

Unfortunately, that doesn’t narrow it down. Every single possible suspect including random pedos could be described that way. No one would want to be exposed or heard committing those awful acts. Jmo

True, who in that home that night has the explosive temper? You're right, both of them did.
Lololol at your patio comment. My mother would absolutely have a panic attack if her home was that filthy. Lol.
Edited because I can't spell.

 

[ispywithmylittleeye]

Many,many things starting with the fact that he had to be stopped from booking a flight out of Boulder not even an hour after finding his murdered daughter.
The fact that his first and second thoughts within an hour of finding his murdered daughter were fleeing the state and lawyering up .
The RN, no signs of any intruder and JB being found in an obscure location, the WC.
I also will never believe that an intruder would take the time to write the War and Peace of RN's, using the Ramsey's notepad and pen, feed JB pineapple, and after all of that fail to take his kidnapping victim with him.
Utter nonsense.
Jmo

And know their way around the home to find new undies in a drawer, or a flashlight, pen, paper, navigate kitchen cupboards and drawers, not disrupt anything in the home, no struggle, no tripping over all the crap in the basement or house, no noise made, no screams heard, no exit through the 7 doors or 28 windows on the ground floor but preferred the slowest possible get away route, went through hours of effort to kidnap for a Ranson but said" oh screw it, I changed my mind, after all I'm not a kidnapper, I'm a pedo /killer and don't need the bounty after all.
Yea. It's pretty silly

 

[OneLove]

This is very graphic and I don’t have sources readily available, but I have read two FBI profilers state that SA with an object is not female behavior, but is seen exclusively in
abuse by males. This rules out PR doing that particular disgusting act for me.

In my short time in social work and juvenile justice, I had 4 young children sexually abused in this manner, boys and girls, and their sexual abusers were women. I served as court appointed and mandated supervisor for 2 of them. Yes, women who themselves once sexually abused and experience their earliest dawnings of physical sexual responsiveness during such sexual abuse can be "turned funny" and continue like abuse down through the generations. Generational incest, for example, involves women as does abuse/punishments using foreign objects. Two of these children required surgical repairs.