If you look at it logically it's very clear who did it!

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But the argument I was referring back to is that Patsy is part of a plot to stage a murder scene to cover up SA by someone very close to her. If she’s staging garrotes to cover SA, she certainly wouldn’t want a doctor calling CPS and reporting the family.

I see what you mean—apologies for the misunderstanding. However, it’s possible she initially harbored suspicions of sexual abuse but shifted her perspective following the murder. The focus may have moved from addressing abuse to dealing with the aftermath of the murder, leading her to participate in the staging out of fear. Her actions could have been driven by a desire to protect her son and safeguard her future.
 
My stance is her infections are likely to have a cause other than SA: poor hygiene and/or a genetic predisposition. If the cause actually was SA or she were being abused in addition to frequent infections, Patsy would bury that family secret and hide any evidence from doctors.

The most-likely scenario, from my own experience in healthcare, is children who are bring abused either don’t go to the doctor or doctor-shop and go to different ERs and doctors so no one can document a pattern.
Exactly. In fact, I don’t think they’d go to the doctor at all unless absolutely necessary.
 
Exactly. In fact, I don’t think they’d go to the doctor at all unless absolutely necessary.
I think could PR be both concerned about JBR health & safety & also involved in covering up . maybe PR was initially concerned ,but became more ‘compliant’ with the idea of covering up after the murder was committed because she was scared about her & son ‘s future ?
 
I believe tight-fitting clothes can cause UTIs in kids as well. It could have something to do with her pageant outfits. Most kids don't wear stuff like that

I think could PR be both concerned about JBR health & safety & also involved in covering up . maybe PR was initially concerned ,but became more ‘compliant’ with the idea of covering up after the murder was committed because she was scared about her & son ‘s future ?
I don’t know. I just have a hard time thinking they would go to this extreme for a cover up when they could have just made it seem like she fell down the stairs or out the window or something. don’t forget, if Burke did it, they would have been in complete shock. Pretty hard to come up with all of these details on the fly when your youngest child just died. And to molest her too? No way. I don’t buy that.
 
I don’t know. I just have a hard time thinking they would go to this extreme for a cover up when they could have just made it seem like she fell down the stairs or out the window or something. don’t forget, if Burke did it, they would have been in complete shock. Pretty hard to come up with all of these details on the fly when your youngest child just died. And to molest her too? No way. I don’t buy that.
That is my major problem with the BDI scenario. He was 9. They weren’t going to “lose” him. Legally, he would not be guilty of murder. I think the grand jury findings that John and Patsy put JonBenét in harm’s way really made it seem like Burke was at fault, and that grew wings as a scenario for those interested in this case. But I can’t see them destroying her little body to cover up a hit on the head by a 9-year-old.

I think the evidence we and LE all needed to solve this thing was destroyed at the scene. I think it’s likely one person did all of it, whether RDI, IDI, or “friend did it.” Burke is almost ruled out for me due to age and the lunacy of staging this scene due to a child’s accident. Because of his age, it would be a legal “accident,” even if he did it on purpose because he can’t form murderous intent.

I do think BDI makes more sense than a lot of what we’ve got here, so I understand why people buy into it. As others have said recently, there are huge holes in every theory.
 
That is my major problem with the BDI scenario. He was 9. They weren’t going to “lose” him. Legally, he would not be guilty of murder. I think the grand jury findings that John and Patsy put JonBenét in harm’s way really made it seem like Burke was at fault, and that grew wings as a scenario for those interested in this case. But I can’t see them destroying her little body to cover up a hit on the head by a 9-year-old.

I think the evidence we and LE all needed to solve this thing was destroyed at the scene. I think it’s likely one person did all of it, whether RDI, IDI, or “friend did it.” Burke is almost ruled out for me due to age and the lunacy of staging this scene due to a child’s accident. Because of his age, it would be a legal “accident,” even if he did it on purpose because he can’t form murderous intent.

I do think BDI makes more sense than a lot of what we’ve got here, so I understand why people buy into it. As others have said recently, there are huge holes in every theory.
Completely agree. I have more whys than answered questions in this case. And yes, I think the police were soooo sloppy that they let critical evidence be destroyed and then tried to save face by blaming her parents.
 
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That is my major problem with the BDI scenario. He was 9. They weren’t going to “lose” him. Legally, he would not be guilty of murder. I think the grand jury findings that John and Patsy put JonBenét in harm’s way really made it seem like Burke was at fault, and that grew wings as a scenario for those interested in this case. But I can’t see them destroying her little body to cover up a hit on the head by a 9-year-old.

I think the evidence we and LE all needed to solve this thing was destroyed at the scene. I think it’s likely one person did all of it, whether RDI, IDI, or “friend did it.” Burke is almost ruled out for me due to age and the lunacy of staging this scene due to a child’s accident. Because of his age, it would be a legal “accident,” even if he did it on purpose because he can’t form murderous intent.

I do think BDI makes more sense than a lot of what we’ve got here, so I understand why people buy into it. As others have said recently, there are huge holes in every theory.
Yes, it does seem like an extreme cover-up if BR was responsible. They could have told the truth, and the consequences of any legal proceedings likely would not have been as severe. The cover-up theory seems more plausible if the person being protected had significantly more to lose—such as their reputation, freedom.
I am really praying hard that there is some justice for JBR, but time seems to be running out .
 
I don’t know. I just have a hard time thinking they would go to this extreme for a cover up when they could have just made it seem like she fell down the stairs or out the window or something. don’t forget, if Burke did it, they would have been in complete shock. Pretty hard to come up with all of these details on the fly when your youngest child just died. And to molest her too? No way. I don’t buy that.
Agreed. One would only stage it to resemble sexual abuse if such abuse had indeed occurred and there was a need to deflect suspicion onto someone else.
 
That is my major problem with the BDI scenario. He was 9. They weren’t going to “lose” him. Legally, he would not be guilty of murder. I think the grand jury findings that John and Patsy put JonBenét in harm’s way really made it seem like Burke was at fault, and that grew wings as a scenario for those interested in this case. But I can’t see them destroying her little body to cover up a hit on the head by a 9-year-old.

I think the evidence we and LE all needed to solve this thing was destroyed at the scene. I think it’s likely one person did all of it, whether RDI, IDI, or “friend did it.” Burke is almost ruled out for me due to age and the lunacy of staging this scene due to a child’s accident. Because of his age, it would be a legal “accident,” even if he did it on purpose because he can’t form murderous intent.

I do think BDI makes more sense than a lot of what we’ve got here, so I understand why people buy into it. As others have said recently, there are huge holes in every theory.
Lots of cases of children killing other children. I think what people forget to address when stating that Burke couldn't have done this is the evidence of SA. More than likely, she was being abused before that night, and more than likely, it was either being done by John or by Burke. I'm a firm believer in BDI (the impact to the head at the least) and there was a cover up not because the initial hit was an accident, but because they knew calling the police would show that she had been being abused.

This is where I'm still unsure about the extent of the cover up and who committed which act. If it was John that was abusing her, he would have staged the cover up to hide the fact that he had been doing that previously. This also can be why the family continuously denies the findings of SA, even though most experts agree that it was taking place. Patsy may not have even known, but again, this is theory and debatable.

The other option is what I believe is the most likely scenario, so stay with me. (Again, this is just my theory based on all the evidence I have seen over the years!) I theorize that Burke was a troubled child and was responsible for the previous SA's, though he may not have even known the extent of his actions or had any criminal intent behind them. He was known to have a temper; and reportedly had smeared feces on her Christmas gifts that year. I believe the parents knew this was taking place and were trying to get him help through ongoing psychiatric visits while keeping it quiet to avoid tarnishing their image in the community. We can all speculate on what lead to the head blow (pineapple, half unwrapped Christmas gifts in the wine cellar, etc) as well as who committed the SA that night, but I believe it occurred while the family was packing for MI after the party. I do not believe they went to sleep as Patsy had her hair and makeup done, as well as the same clothing from the night before. When they realized what Burke had done, you can imagine the predicament they would be placed in. If it were merely an accident, they would have called 9-11. But because of the SA's, questions about its origins would undoubtably be brought up and the family would be reduced to nothing, regardless of who was responsible. If Burke was responsible for the head blow and the SA that night, what's the first thing they would do after staging the kidnapping? Thats right, call their lawyers to seal his medical and psychiatric records from ever becoming public or even seen by police during the investigation. After all, the family deserves some "island of privacy." Why? Well, his records would obviously tell the story, as well as show the parent's knowledge of what may have been going on.

Now here is where it all ties together. In 1998, a Grand Jury issued true bills to indict the Ramsey's for crimes related to the staging of the scene and putting Jonbenet in an unsafe environment resulting in death... This implies that the GJ had enough probable cause to charge the family not for the murder, but for covering up for someone and knowing that she may not have been entirely safe in the home. Could Burke's medical records have been subpoenaed and presented as evidence to the GJ, and is that the evidence that still remains sealed to the public?

Then, why would the GJ vote to indict, but the DA decide not to move forward? Well, I believe for two reasons. The first, they may not have had enough evidence to get a conviction without unarguable proof on who committed which act that night. After all, the Ramsey's attorneys were absolute STUDS. Secondly, I theorize that the DA/BPD were aware of what likely had happened. However, given Burke's age, he could not have been criminally prosecuted. They could, however, prosecute the family for the above indictments by the GJ and in their eyes, ruin the lives of two outstanding (and rich/influential) Boulder citizens who were forced to make an impossible decision in the moment.

Again, this is all theory, but it seems to tie everything together almost too perfectly. (I even left out a lot more, but happy to have a friendly debate in the comments!)

As I have heard from many other in the past and have now begun to steal - and use as my own... "I don't believe in coincidences."
 
Lots of cases of children killing other children. I think what people forget to address when stating that Burke couldn't have done this is the evidence of SA. More than likely, she was being abused before that night, and more than likely, it was either being done by John or by Burke. I'm a firm believer in BDI (the impact to the head at the least) and there was a cover up not because the initial hit was an accident, but because they knew calling the police would show that she had been being abused.

This is where I'm still unsure about the extent of the cover up and who committed which act. If it was John that was abusing her, he would have staged the cover up to hide the fact that he had been doing that previously. This also can be why the family continuously denies the findings of SA, even though most experts agree that it was taking place. Patsy may not have even known, but again, this is theory and debatable.

The other option is what I believe is the most likely scenario, so stay with me. (Again, this is just my theory based on all the evidence I have seen over the years!) I theorize that Burke was a troubled child and was responsible for the previous SA's, though he may not have even known the extent of his actions or had any criminal intent behind them. He was known to have a temper; and reportedly had smeared feces on her Christmas gifts that year. I believe the parents knew this was taking place and were trying to get him help through ongoing psychiatric visits while keeping it quiet to avoid tarnishing their image in the community. We can all speculate on what lead to the head blow (pineapple, half unwrapped Christmas gifts in the wine cellar, etc) as well as who committed the SA that night, but I believe it occurred while the family was packing for MI after the party. I do not believe they went to sleep as Patsy had her hair and makeup done, as well as the same clothing from the night before. When they realized what Burke had done, you can imagine the predicament they would be placed in. If it were merely an accident, they would have called 9-11. But because of the SA's, questions about its origins would undoubtably be brought up and the family would be reduced to nothing, regardless of who was responsible. If Burke was responsible for the head blow and the SA that night, what's the first thing they would do after staging the kidnapping? Thats right, call their lawyers to seal his medical and psychiatric records from ever becoming public or even seen by police during the investigation. After all, the family deserves some "island of privacy." Why? Well, his records would obviously tell the story, as well as show the parent's knowledge of what may have been going on.

Now here is where it all ties together. In 1998, a Grand Jury issued true bills to indict the Ramsey's for crimes related to the staging of the scene and putting Jonbenet in an unsafe environment resulting in death... This implies that the GJ had enough probable cause to charge the family not for the murder, but for covering up for someone and knowing that she may not have been entirely safe in the home. Could Burke's medical records have been subpoenaed and presented as evidence to the GJ, and is that the evidence that still remains sealed to the public?

Then, why would the GJ vote to indict, but the DA decide not to move forward? Well, I believe for two reasons. The first, they may not have had enough evidence to get a conviction without unarguable proof on who committed which act that night. After all, the Ramsey's attorneys were absolute STUDS. Secondly, I theorize that the DA/BPD were aware of what likely had happened. However, given Burke's age, he could not have been criminally prosecuted. They could, however, prosecute the family for the above indictments by the GJ and in their eyes, ruin the lives of two outstanding (and rich/influential) Boulder citizens who were forced to make an impossible decision in the moment.

Again, this is all theory, but it seems to tie everything together almost too perfectly. (I even left out a lot more, but happy to have a friendly debate in the comments!)

As I have heard from many other in the past and have now begun to steal - and use as my own... "I don't believe in coincidences."
Great summary. I agree with everything as a strong possibility. Proving an entirely different story as you well know
 
That is my major problem with the BDI scenario. He was 9. They weren’t going to “lose” him. Legally, he would not be guilty of murder. I think the grand jury findings that John and Patsy put JonBenét in harm’s way really made it seem like Burke was at fault, and that grew wings as a scenario for those interested in this case. But I can’t see them destroying her little body to cover up a hit on the head by a 9-year-old.

I think the evidence we and LE all needed to solve this thing was destroyed at the scene. I think it’s likely one person did all of it, whether RDI, IDI, or “friend did it.” Burke is almost ruled out for me due to age and the lunacy of staging this scene due to a child’s accident. Because of his age, it would be a legal “accident,” even if he did it on purpose because he can’t form murderous intent.

I do think BDI makes more sense than a lot of what we’ve got here, so I understand why people buy into it. As others have said recently, there are huge holes in every theory.

Lots of cases of children killing other children. I think what people forget to address when stating that Burke couldn't have done this is the evidence of SA. More than likely, she was being abused before that night, and more than likely, it was either being done by John or by Burke. I'm a firm believer in BDI (the impact to the head at the least) and there was a cover up not because the initial hit was an accident, but because they knew calling the police would show that she had been being abused.

This is where I'm still unsure about the extent of the cover up and who committed which act. If it was John that was abusing her, he would have staged the cover up to hide the fact that he had been doing that previously. This also can be why the family continuously denies the findings of SA, even though most experts agree that it was taking place. Patsy may not have even known, but again, this is theory and debatable.

The other option is what I believe is the most likely scenario, so stay with me. (Again, this is just my theory based on all the evidence I have seen over the years!) I theorize that Burke was a troubled child and was responsible for the previous SA's, though he may not have even known the extent of his actions or had any criminal intent behind them. He was known to have a temper; and reportedly had smeared feces on her Christmas gifts that year. I believe the parents knew this was taking place and were trying to get him help through ongoing psychiatric visits while keeping it quiet to avoid tarnishing their image in the community. We can all speculate on what lead to the head blow (pineapple, half unwrapped Christmas gifts in the wine cellar, etc) as well as who committed the SA that night, but I believe it occurred while the family was packing for MI after the party. I do not believe they went to sleep as Patsy had her hair and makeup done, as well as the same clothing from the night before. When they realized what Burke had done, you can imagine the predicament they would be placed in. If it were merely an accident, they would have called 9-11. But because of the SA's, questions about its origins would undoubtably be brought up and the family would be reduced to nothing, regardless of who was responsible. If Burke was responsible for the head blow and the SA that night, what's the first thing they would do after staging the kidnapping? Thats right, call their lawyers to seal his medical and psychiatric records from ever becoming public or even seen by police during the investigation. After all, the family deserves some "island of privacy." Why? Well, his records would obviously tell the story, as well as show the parent's knowledge of what may have been going on.

Now here is where it all ties together. In 1998, a Grand Jury issued true bills to indict the Ramsey's for crimes related to the staging of the scene and putting Jonbenet in an unsafe environment resulting in death... This implies that the GJ had enough probable cause to charge the family not for the murder, but for covering up for someone and knowing that she may not have been entirely safe in the home. Could Burke's medical records have been subpoenaed and presented as evidence to the GJ, and is that the evidence that still remains sealed to the public?

Then, why would the GJ vote to indict, but the DA decide not to move forward? Well, I believe for two reasons. The first, they may not have had enough evidence to get a conviction without unarguable proof on who committed which act that night. After all, the Ramsey's attorneys were absolute STUDS. Secondly, I theorize that the DA/BPD were aware of what likely had happened. However, given Burke's age, he could not have been criminally prosecuted. They could, however, prosecute the family for the above indictments by the GJ and in their eyes, ruin the lives of two outstanding (and rich/influential) Boulder citizens who were forced to make an impossible decision in the moment.

Again, this is all theory, but it seems to tie everything together almost too perfectly. (I even left out a lot more, but happy to have a friendly debate in the comments!)

As I have heard from many other in the past and have now begun to steal - and use as my own... "I don't believe in coincidences."
I think your theory is spot on.
The aspect people get hung up on is they can't consider he may have done a heinous act at 10 years old. They then try to put the parents in the role as monsters that finish her off and sexually abuse her to stage a scene. I say there is no way that the parents did that to her other than maybe the tape on her mouth. If they would have reported it, BR could have been institutionalized or JR would have been blamed. Like many posters, they would have thought the SA was from an adult. No jail for a minor doesnt mean no consequences for dangerous behavior that resulted in death. If you just look at what happened in its simplest terms, it makes the most sense. Its a theory only. We will never know until a juror breaks their silence on their death bed or something. I think thats why we are seeing JR do this massive PR. The truth will come out one day.
It always does.
Just a theory not fact
 
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Lots of cases of children killing other children. I think what people forget to address when stating that Burke couldn't have done this is the evidence of SA. More than likely, she was being abused before that night, and more than likely, it was either being done by John or by Burke. I'm a firm believer in BDI (the impact to the head at the least) and there was a cover up not because the initial hit was an accident, but because they knew calling the police would show that she had been being abused.

This is where I'm still unsure about the extent of the cover up and who committed which act. If it was John that was abusing her, he would have staged the cover up to hide the fact that he had been doing that previously. This also can be why the family continuously denies the findings of SA, even though most experts agree that it was taking place. Patsy may not have even known, but again, this is theory and debatable.

The other option is what I believe is the most likely scenario, so stay with me. (Again, this is just my theory based on all the evidence I have seen over the years!) I theorize that Burke was a troubled child and was responsible for the previous SA's, though he may not have even known the extent of his actions or had any criminal intent behind them. He was known to have a temper; and reportedly had smeared feces on her Christmas gifts that year. I believe the parents knew this was taking place and were trying to get him help through ongoing psychiatric visits while keeping it quiet to avoid tarnishing their image in the community. We can all speculate on what lead to the head blow (pineapple, half unwrapped Christmas gifts in the wine cellar, etc) as well as who committed the SA that night, but I believe it occurred while the family was packing for MI after the party. I do not believe they went to sleep as Patsy had her hair and makeup done, as well as the same clothing from the night before. When they realized what Burke had done, you can imagine the predicament they would be placed in. If it were merely an accident, they would have called 9-11. But because of the SA's, questions about its origins would undoubtably be brought up and the family would be reduced to nothing, regardless of who was responsible. If Burke was responsible for the head blow and the SA that night, what's the first thing they would do after staging the kidnapping? Thats right, call their lawyers to seal his medical and psychiatric records from ever becoming public or even seen by police during the investigation. After all, the family deserves some "island of privacy." Why? Well, his records would obviously tell the story, as well as show the parent's knowledge of what may have been going on.

Now here is where it all ties together. In 1998, a Grand Jury issued true bills to indict the Ramsey's for crimes related to the staging of the scene and putting Jonbenet in an unsafe environment resulting in death... This implies that the GJ had enough probable cause to charge the family not for the murder, but for covering up for someone and knowing that she may not have been entirely safe in the home. Could Burke's medical records have been subpoenaed and presented as evidence to the GJ, and is that the evidence that still remains sealed to the public?

Then, why would the GJ vote to indict, but the DA decide not to move forward? Well, I believe for two reasons. The first, they may not have had enough evidence to get a conviction without unarguable proof on who committed which act that night. After all, the Ramsey's attorneys were absolute STUDS. Secondly, I theorize that the DA/BPD were aware of what likely had happened. However, given Burke's age, he could not have been criminally prosecuted. They could, however, prosecute the family for the above indictments by the GJ and in their eyes, ruin the lives of two outstanding (and rich/influential) Boulder citizens who were forced to make an impossible decision in the moment.

Again, this is all theory, but it seems to tie everything together almost too perfectly. (I even left out a lot more, but happy to have a friendly debate in the comments!)

As I have heard from many other in the past and have now begun to steal - and use as my own... "I don't believe in coinciden

I think your theory is spot on.
The aspect people get hung up on is they can't consider he may have done a heinous act at 10 years old. They then try to put the parents in the role as monsters that finish her off and sexually abuse her to stage a scene. I say there is no way that the parents did that to her other than maybe the tape on her mouth. If they would have reported it, BR could have been institutionalized or JR would have been blamed. Like many posters, they would have thought the SA was from an adult. No jail for a minor doesnt mean no consequences for dangerous behavior that resulted in death. If you just look at what happened in its simplest terms, it makes the most sense. Its a theory only. We will never know until a juror breaks their silence on their death bed or something. I think thats why we are seeing JR do this massive PR. The truth will come out one day.
It always does.
Just a theory not fact
Are you of the opinion that Burke may have initiated the actual SA? At his age? I'm not saying he did or didn't, I'm benign on the issue if he did conduct SA (even tho I fall in the BDI camp more than other theories), just don't know. I think it's more on the rare side of occuring for someone his age, but not impossible.

Just want to hear other expanded thoughts.
 
Are you of the opinion that Burke may have initiated the actual SA? At his age? I'm not saying he did or didn't, I'm benign on the issue if he did conduct SA (even tho I fall in the BDI camp more than other theories), just don't know. I think it's more on the rare side of occuring for someone his age, but not impossible.

Just want to hear other expanded thoughts.
I can only go by what the housekeeper reported that there was inappropriate play between the children. His feces was in her bed .
He is the only one who is known to be inappropriate
 
I think your theory is spot on.
The aspect people get hung up on is they can't consider he may have done a heinous act at 10 years old. They then try to put the parents in the role as monsters that finish her off and sexually abuse her to stage a scene. I say there is no way that the parents did that to her other than maybe the tape on her mouth. If they would have reported it, BR could have been institutionalized or JR would have been blamed. Like many posters, they would have thought the SA was from an adult. If you just look at what happened in its simplest terms, it makes the most sense. Its a theory only. We will never know until a juror breaks their silence on their death bed or something. I think thats why we are seeing JR do this massive PR. The truth will come out one day.
It always does.
Just a theory not fact
Exactly! I agree, and I hope that one day someone says something. JDI and PDI theorists fall flat when trying to explain why the other stayed loyal.
Are you of the opinion that Burke may have initiated the actual SA? At his age? I'm not saying he did or didn't, I'm benign on the issue if he did conduct SA (even tho I fall in the BDI camp more than other theories), just don't know. I think it's more on the rare side of occuring for someone his age, but not impossible.

Just want to hear other expanded thoughts.
All of this is speculation as none of us have any idea what the family dynamic was like in the home. For me to say one single person was responsible would be unfair and completely unfounded. That being said, the short answer is yes. I theorize that he was responsible both in the past and the night in question. If you want more info, my long answer is below! Again, this is all speculation and by no means a fact or my assertion of guilt.

In my theory, one of the two was responsible for the abuse previous to the night of the murder. According to different crime statistics, SA by a parent accounts for roughly 25-40% of ALL reported SA cases, whereas SA by a sibling accounts for 15-25% of reported cases WITHIN FAMILES. (Feel free to research these stats for yourself as I by no means swear by my sources.) Though relatively rare, SA perpetrated by a sibling does happen.

My thinking is this:
If JR was responsible for the past SA, he would have a reason to cover it up by making the attack look like a sexual crime. His hope would be they would see the SA from the "intruder" that night, and not find that it had been ongoing.

However... (This is where I believe multiple scenarios appear:)

- If BR was responsible for the past SA and the Ramsey's were aware that is had happened or was a pattern, again JR would have a reason to cover it up as stated above, both to protect BR and themselves since they were aware and chose to not disclose it.
- If BR was responsible for the past SA and he had just knocked JBR unconscious (even unintentionally,) one might think this was an opportunity to either continue or see what you can get away with. (Obviously being too young to understand the severity of the head blow and/or following actions.) JR/PR would, again, have a reason to cover it up as stated above, both to protect BR and themselves since they were aware and chose to not disclose it.

I don't debate differing theories when it comes to this as I honestly have no idea and can't imagine being put in any of these scenarios. My theory tends to include BR committing the head blow, SA, and garrote (which I know is not nearly as popular, happy to explain in a different post if interested,) and the family finding her and panicking. At that point, it wouldn't matter whether or not they knew about any previous SA leading up to that night, the cover up would (in my opinion) be the best next step. If it were me, part of that would be sending BR back to bed, instructing him not to wake up, shipping him off to a friends house before investigators can speak with him, etc.
 
Where did she report this?



That isn't, and has never been a fact.



I don't think gossip counts.
The housekeeper reported the two “playing doctor” in bed and other inappropriate behavior to investigators when she was interviewed. You can find her interview transcripts online.

The feces in JBR’s bed, Xmas presents, and candy was reported by police officers during the investigation and can be found in many different reports, interviews, and law enforcement documents from the investigation. You can find this material online. So, unless all the investigators were lying, it is indeed, fact. What it means or whether it’s relevant is what can be interpreted different.

We are all here trying to discuss the evidence and question what it might mean in good faith. Why the hostility and incorrect fact checking?
 
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