If you look at it logically it's very clear who did it!

[Keiri]

Aside from the over saturation of jonbenet in the media as compared to other children, it is not objectively obvious who did it and this title is condescending to say it is. This is far from obvious, there is nothing definitive pointing to who it is.

I recommend taking a look at other children who are missing or murdered, there will never be a shortage of people concerned about jonbenet, and will continue to look for justice in her case, but there’s so many threads on this site about children without even one reply. That’s just… heartbreaking.

 

[jjleroche]

I was going to write a longer comment on some new thoughts, but then I changed my mind. I'm still debating what role Burke had in this. And I'm trying to decide if it's possible he did almost the whole thing. Except writing the note. That's based on the idea that his next-door neighbor friend and classmate was over that night too. That would be a lot of work for a 9-year-old boy. But the arrows kind of point to him for some reason.

IIRC, decision-makers ruled Burke out, as apparently the injuries sustained by JonBenet, were inflicted with devastating force and they felt that someone of Burke's size would be unable to do this physically. I'll get some more specific info for you, but I recall that her skull was almost split in half. Also the garrotte was almost completely embedded in her neck, to the extent that it wasn't actually visible at first glance. Apparently it would have taken the strength of a grown man to tighten it to that degree. LE stated that it was used as a weapon of torture on her. It sounded as though that level of malice sounded pretty personal. I wondered whether Jonbenet may have stood up to someone, maybe rejecting them, and someone became so enraged that things got really out of control. All entirely speculation.

 

[887sMtreme]

IIRC, decision-makers ruled Burke out, as apparently the injuries sustained by JonBenet, were inflicted with devastating force and they felt that someone of Burke's size would be unable to do this physically. I'll get some more specific info for you, but I recall that her skull was almost split in half. Also the garrotte was almost completely embedded in her neck, to the extent that it wasn't actually visible at first glance. Apparently it would have taken the strength of a grown man to tighten it to that degree. LE stated that it was used as a weapon of torture on her. It sounded as though that level of malice sounded pretty personal. I wondered whether Jonbenet may have stood up to someone, maybe rejecting them, and someone became so enraged that things got really out of control. All entirely speculation.

Burke was ruled out because under Colorado law at the time, a minor under age 10, could not be ruled in. He could not even legally be considered a suspect.

 

[Chimera]

The fact that the Ramsey's were involved with not only the pageant circuit but invited many people from the public to their home and were very socially inclined, wealthy, and well-known -- has helped to spur this case on.
The interest is mainly due to the Ramsey's actions after the murder, themselves and not necessarily the media or public.
Not to mention the obfuscations and denials from the parents and the strange refusal of the grand jury to indict, and the evidence that hasn't been released ; makes this a compelling case.

Fwiw, the title of this thread is an opinion only, and was not meant to be condescending.
There still needs to be justice for a murdered child and unless it's solved, it'll continue to haunt people who only want to see the person responsible for Jon Benet's death charged.

Hopefully that will happen, but finding the dna of whomever they touched or whose objects they may have handled during that last day, will possibly ensure there may never be a resolution.
If the dna was from the person who sewed the garments ... it'll be impossible to determine who left it.
Imo.

 

[jjleroche]

Burke was ruled out because under Colorado law at the time, a minor under age 10, could not be ruled in. He could not even legally be considered a suspect.

That's interesting. I hadn't been aware of that. Nevertheless, IIRC, from a law enforcement perspective, allegedly it was generally considered to be impossible for Burke to have inflicted the injuries which Jonbenet sustained, due to the sheer strength required to do so. JMO

 

[Vivette]

I disagree. I think Patsy in particular could easily very well have snapped.
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Personally, I'd be wiped out after such a day and there was still some packing to do.

Dang, I never really thought about the days/weeks leading up to this moment. It's an excellent point.
I'd be done after just one party, but this was Patsy's life so she could have handeled it better than I would have, but this december period was A LOT. Even for someone like Patsy who is used to the life.
I have three girls 5, 6 and 7yo. My life isn't nearly as hectic as hers I guess, but I've had days where I just couldn't. I, of course, have never hit my child or anything but I have yelled at them that they really need to quit the whining because I just couldn't take it anymore. Yelling isn't something I want to do, but I understand the feeling of it being too much and it just happening? So surely when the circumstances are as intense as in the Ramseys december period.. It could happen you know. Certainly when after all those days in december (and the cancer) she still would be packing late in the evening for the trip early morning, something like a bedwetting accident or a fight between Burke and JonBenet could make her do something she never would have done any other day, in a split second.

I don't know who did it, I just know it's one of them. I usually end up thinking it's Burke in the end, because even with how bizarre it is, Burke being the one would be the less bizarre option. Sure, Patsy could have snapped, but the paint brush and garotte - it's ridiculous. Unless you're a (weird) little boy experimenting or playing with your younger sister. I do believe Patsy and John found out, that's where the note comes from, but everything else: Burke.

English isn't my native language.

 

[CrimeTheorist]

Looking at the notes the police made PR write for comparison to the "ransom note" she misspells advise and advised. I wonder if any of her previous writing samples that were handed over to police had either of those words spelled incorrectly?

 

[lonetraveler]

Looking at the notes the police made PR write for comparison to the "ransom note" she misspells advise and advised. I wonder if any of her previous writing samples that were handed over to police had either of those words spelled incorrectly?

You know, if I was asked to submit a handwriting sample so that it could be compared to a ransom note, the handwriting on the sample would not look anything like my normal handwriting.

 

[CrimeTheorist]

You know, if I was asked to submit a handwriting sample so that it could be compared to a ransom note, the handwriting on the sample would not look anything like my normal handwriting.

Even if you were innocent?

 

[lonetraveler]

Even if you were innocent?

IMO Patsy wrote the ransom letter but if I were innocent, I would write in my normal handwriting, of course.

 

[Ponytale]

Anyone can disguise their own handwriting. Whether willingly or just by the occasion of being under pressure and having shaking hands due to stress. So, the samples that should be taken into evidence and consideration on forming opinions, should only be the ones that were written previously, before the crime. Those samples (preferably multiple) should reveal the true handwriting of a person and his/hers knowledge on grammar. IMO

 

[snooptroop88]

Looking at the notes the police made PR write for comparison to the "ransom note" she misspells advise and advised. I wonder if any of her previous writing samples that were handed over to police had either of those words spelled incorrectly?

What a great point, and I'd love to know this as well.

 

[CloudedTruth]

What a great point, and I'd love to know this as well.

According to some who were familiar with her handwriting, she changed it after the murder.

 

[concernedcitizen706]

IIRC, decision-makers ruled Burke out, as apparently the injuries sustained by JonBenet, were inflicted with devastating force and they felt that someone of Burke's size would be unable to do this physically. I'll get some more specific info for you, but I recall that her skull was almost split in half. Also the garrotte was almost completely embedded in her neck, to the extent that it wasn't actually visible at first glance. Apparently it would have taken the strength of a grown man to tighten it to that degree. LE stated that it was used as a weapon of torture on her. It sounded as though that level of malice sounded pretty personal. I wondered whether Jonbenet may have stood up to someone, maybe rejecting them, and someone became so enraged that things got really out of control. All entirely speculation.

Yeah I heard how Burke would not have the strength to do it. But then I also read other people talk about, how little boys his age in Little League can bat the ball out of the park on occasion. If you can strike a ball with a baseball bat and get it out of the park, you can swing a fireplace poker over your head while she is sitting on the floor, and crack her head in two. I am less decided about the garotte, I think John could have stepped in there. But how come we have Burke's shoe print in the room where JonBenet was found? Why don't we have John's footprint there? Why do we have Burke's old long johns on her? Why was she placed on his train tracks? A lot of questions about all that.

 

[ispywithmylittleeye]

Yeah I heard how Burke would not have the strength to do it. But then I also read other people talk about, how little boys his age in Little League can bat the ball out of the park on occasion. If you can strike a ball with a baseball bat and get it out of the park, you can swing a fireplace poker over your head while she is sitting on the floor, and crack her head in two. I am less decided about the garotte, I think John could have stepped in there. But how come we have Burke's shoe print in the room where JonBenet was found? Why don't we have John's footprint there? Why do we have Burke's old long johns on her? Why was she placed on his train tracks? A lot of questions about all that.

In 2 different interviews, true to JR syle, he once refers to BR as a 60 lb 9 year old and in an other he refers BR as a 90lb 9 year old. Here is where 11 months matters. PR did say he was the tallest on his basketball team... The mean weight at age 10 is 70 lbs. The lowest on the growth chart is 50 lbs.
The highest is 100lbs
JBR weighed 45 lbs. I believe to know this for sure, you have to know the weight of the object, where both JBR and the suspect were positioned , and the strength ( velocity) behind the blow.
Someone far more advanced in physics than myself does a great job of addressing the blow in one of the threads. They even go into the shape of the object.

 

[Swirlz]

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How do John's sweater fibers end up in JBR's underpants crotch/vulva area, along with her blood?

How do Patsy's fibers end up in the ligature knot?

Why did the first detective on the scene, the detective who took over for her as lead investigator, the Boulder Chief Of Police and Boulder Social Services all believe a parent was responsible for SA and murder?

Why did the detective who interviewed Burke on the morning of Dec. 26, believe Burke knew nothing?

Why did Steve Thomas who ended up in the role of lead investigator believe Burke knew nothing?

 

[concernedcitizen706]

How do John's sweater fibers end up in JBR's underpants crotch/vulva area, along with her blood?

How do Patsy's fibers end up in the ligature knot?

Why did the first detective on the scene, the detective who took over for her as lead investigator, the Boulder Chief Of Police and Boulder Social Services all believe a parent was responsible for SA and murder?

Why did the detective who interviewed Burke on the morning of Dec. 26, believe Burke knew nothing?

Why did Steve Thomas who ended up in the role of lead investigator believe Burke knew nothing?

Well like I said, I could go either way. It's possible Burke did the first part, and the parents did the second part, as in taking her downstairs and staging it, and using the garotte. And the motivation for them to do that, would be to cover up the sexual abuse of their children. Because not only Burke would be a witness, but the son of the couple next door would be a witness too. It's one thing to contain one child, Burke, or try and say he's lying, but then it's more difficult to control two children from police. So that would be extra motivation for the parents to do what they did.

 

[Gigiky]

I to have heard about BR friend staying over that night. But didn't know about it till lately. And I agree that it would be hard to control two children. Just wondering if they ever interviewed the other boy, I don't believe I heard anything about it. I would guess because he was a minor.

 

[ispywithmylittleeye]

I to have heard about BR friend staying over that night. But didn't know about it till lately. And I agree that it would be hard to control two children. Just wondering if they ever interviewed the other boy, I don't believe I heard anything about it. I would guess because he was a minor.

He was called to testify by the Grand Jury.

 

[887sMtreme]

That's interesting. I hadn't been aware of that. Nevertheless, IIRC, from a law enforcement perspective, allegedly it was generally considered to be impossible for Burke to have inflicted the injuries which Jonbenet sustained, due to the sheer strength required to do so. JMO

Have you read James Kolar’s book?