If your child were murdered

[UKGuy]

Joe Barnhill saw JAR walking up the walk to the house. As far as his presence in Georgia Christmas Eve- he could still have been in Boulder by Christmas afternoon. Remember JR had access to private planes, which often file no flight plans nor have passenger manifests. There is still the possibility that he was already in Boulder for the flight to Charlevoix and not with sister in Minneapolis. Her fiance was also there. He has been notoriously silent about the whole thing. I feel he was simply keeping out of it all. He was about to marry into this family. Not a time to call anyone out on their lies.

DeeDee249,
I cannot disagree with you. JARDI is entirely possible it just seems quite convoluted.

Joe Barnhill's observation is the fly in the ointment, does it represent a critical flaw in Ramsey management of the postmortem crime-scene, or misidentification on Joe's part?

I reckon JARDI still has legs.



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[DeeDee249]

DeeDee249,
I cannot disagree with you. JARDI is entirely possible it just seems quite convoluted.

Joe Barnhill's observation is the fly in the ointment, does it represent a critical flaw in Ramsey management of the postmortem crime-scene, or misidentification on Joe's part?

I reckon JARDI still has legs.



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Barnhill saw JAR before JB's death, not after. It was either earlier Christmas Day or the day before, don't recall which. The Rs "postmortem" management as far as Barnhill's allegations was to have their lawyers "talk" to him. Because he did backpedal by saying that he "may" have been mistaken. So I have to wonder who ELSE it could have been. None of JAR's friends would come to the house if he wasn't there- and Barnhill was familiar with JAR- he knew what he looked like. Interesting that another neighbor, Melanie Stanton (who heard the scream) did her own backpedaling. IMO, the Rs lawyers also "talked" to her- that's why she then said maybe it was only "negative energy" emanating from JB that she "heard". Right. BTW, she was so rattled that she moved away and after she moved, she reaffirmed her original statement that she had, in fact, heard an actual scream.

 

[otg]

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We know LE made a connection between those photographs and child since they issued search warrants for all the Ramsey houses to be searched, explicitly for such material. The results were sealed, who knows why?
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We can't make that much of an assumption and a leap, UKG. The nature of the photographs you refer to has been speculated on and on, but we don't know exactly what it is. The reason for that is that the questioning it comes from is somewhat ambiguous. But then to leap to the conclusion that those photographs are the reason for the computer searches is too much.

Quite simply, the reason for the computer searches for anything of a pornographic nature is that a child was found in her own home, dead and sexually molested -- reason enough for the search without drawing other conclusions.

 

[CanManEh]

Just reading all these post's about theories and am somewhat confused as i have never heard anything like this before then again i was only like 14 when this all happend . No one bite my head off here as i know how some of you are in this thread on the JBR case lol but i had allways heard about a guy i don't know a name but someone coming to the Ramsey's house i believe the night before and being dressed up as santa and they had opend one present early anyone remember that . I just wondered wouldn't he have seen JAR if he was at the house to committ this crime .where can you see any photo's of the ATM machine or any pics in question?

 

[DeeDee249]

Just reading all these post's about theories and am somewhat confused as i have never heard anything like this before then again i was only like 14 when this all happend . No one bite my head off here as i know how some of you are in this thread on the JBR case lol but i had allways heard about a guy i don't know a name but someone coming to the Ramsey's house i believe the night before and being dressed up as santa and they had opend one present early anyone remember that . I just wondered wouldn't he have seen JAR if he was at the house to committ this crime .where can you see any photo's of the ATM machine or any pics in question?

You are getting some aspects of the case all mixed up. Three days before her death, the Rs had a Christmas party at their home, on the 23rd. At this party a local man, Bill McReynolds, dressed up as Santa and gave out presents to the kids at the part. He had played Santa before, for the R and for others as well. He was an older man, very heavy, with long white beard and hair. He certainly looked the part.
This has nothing to do with the YOUNG (college-age) man that neighbor Joe Barnhill identified as JAR (JB'c college-age half-brother) who was seen walking into the Rs house.
The pic of someone who is allegedly JAR at an ATM machine in Georgia was posted on this forum quite a while ago. Try searching it. In the photo, the man is seen wearing a baseball cap which hides his face.

 

[CanManEh]

I am sure most or all of you know this by now but like myself if you didn't a site called A CANDY ROSE has tons of info and all the pictures you wanna see and some you might not want to see ..

 

[eileenhawkeye]

Yes, acandyrose.com is a great source. And if you want an easy way to search that entire website, go to google.com and in the box, enter site:acandyrose.com (your search term) and it will bring up any page with that word.

 

[UKGuy]

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We can't make that much of an assumption and a leap, UKG. The nature of the photographs you refer to has been speculated on and on, but we don't know exactly what it is. The reason for that is that the questioning it comes from is somewhat ambiguous. But then to leap to the conclusion that those photographs are the reason for the computer searches is too much.

Quite simply, the reason for the computer searches for anything of a pornographic nature is that a child was found in her own home, dead and sexually molested -- reason enough for the search without drawing other conclusions.

otg,
Well I have never had sight of the photographs. None of the R's claimed ownership. It was not simply a computer search it was a house search.

Patsy's BPD Interview 1998, excerpt

21 THOMAS HANEY: Did you take some

22 photographs of JonBenet in the basement laundry

23 room?

24 PATSY RAMSEY: No.

25 TRIP DeMUTH: You had presents in

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1 the basement laundry room, right?

2 PATSY RAMSEY: Right.

3 TRIP DeMUTH: So you wrapped

4 presents in the basement laundry room, right?

5 PATSY RAMSEY: Right.

6 TRIP DeMUTH: So you were down in

7 the basement laundry room pretty often?

8 PATSY RAMSEY: Depending on what

9 time of year it was, yeah, uh-hum.

10 TRIP DeMUTH: And do you remember

11 photographs being -- photographs of JonBenet

12 being in there?

13 PATSY RAMSEY: Taken of her in the

14 laundry room?

15 TRIP DeMUTH: No, no. Photographs

16 of her located in the laundry room?

17 PATSY RAMSEY: Oh, in the laundry

18 room, oh. I don't know, there was a bunch of

19 stuff, I mean wrapping stuff and everything. I

20 don't remember any photographs.

21 TRIP DeMUTH: Is there any reason

22 why there would be photographs of JonBenet

23 located in the laundry room?

24 PATSY RAMSEY: No. Were there --

25 I mean, did somebody find them there?

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1 TRIP DeMUTH: If there were, would

2 that be out of place for you?

3 PATSY RAMSEY: It would seem to be

4 out of place. I kept wrapping materials and

5 sometimes I worked, wrapping station, Christmas

6 paper and --

7 TRIP DeMUTH: Would -- who else had

8 access to the laundry room, who else would go in

9 there? I know everybody would have access, but

10 who else would use it? Would the boys play in

11 there? Would John go down there?

12 PATSY RAMSEY: I mean anybody

13 could, but I mean the boys could come down and

14 go in the train room, we had the train set up.

15 In the far back in through there, you know. Not

16 in the laundry, really, area.

17 TRIP DeMUTH: Did anybody besides

18 you use that laundry room?

19 PATSY RAMSEY: Sometimes Linda

20 would wash, if we were washing comforters or

21 something, because those were big heavy-duty

22 laundry machines, she'd take the things in

23 there, rugs and things, and wash them down

24 there.

25 TRIP DeMUTH: Okay.

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1 THOMAS HANEY: So you don't recall

2 taking a photo of her down there?

3 PATSY RAMSEY: (Shaking head.)

4 THOMAS HANEY: If she was doing

5 something really cutesy or something, would you

6 maybe run and get the camera, take one of her?

7 PATSY RAMSEY: Of her in the

8 laundry room?

9 THOMAS HANEY: Uh-hum.

10 PATSY RAMSEY: No.

I think someone has taken a photograph of JonBenet posing in the laundry room. Here I am referring to Thomas Haney's cutesy remarks. BPD never asked this question outright, since they did not want to reveal what they knew.

This collection of photographs are not your usual domestic themed pictures. They probably have JonBenet posing in pageant mode. This made BPD suspicious hence the house searches for more or worse.

That is BPD did not travel interstate to search for everyday, domestically themed photographs. This information and its outcome was sealed, but it was likely negative and the R's did not wish to have the case sensationalized further with the information that their houses were being searched for .

This collection of photographs must be relevant. PR is denying all knowledge, she does not even ask Haney, what the photographs' theme is.

It must be safe to assume that the photographs found in the basement were not pornographic. So maybe BPD were hunting for cutesy pictures?


The real question is why would one of the R's dump a collection of pictures, with JonBenet as their subject, into the laundry room?


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[dodie20]

otg,
Well I have never had sight of the photographs. None of the R's claimed ownership. It was not simply a computer search it was a house search.

Patsy's BPD Interview 1998, excerpt


I think someone has taken a photograph of JonBenet posing in the laundry room. Here I am referring to Thomas Haney's cutesy remarks. BPD never asked this question outright, since they did not want to reveal what they knew.

This collection of photographs are not your usual domestic themed pictures. They probably have JonBenet posing in pageant mode. This made BPD suspicious hence the house searches for more or worse.

That is BPD did not travel interstate to search for everyday, domestically themed photographs. This information and its outcome was sealed, but it was likely negative and the R's did not wish to have the case sensationalized further with the information that their houses were being searched for .

This collection of photographs must be relevant. PR is denying all knowledge, she does not even ask Haney, what the photographs' theme is.

It must be safe to assume that the photographs found in the basement were not pornographic. So maybe BPD were hunting for cutesy pictures?


The real question is why would one of the R's dump a collection of pictures, with JonBenet as their subject, into the laundry room?


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I think she knew exactly what he was talking about. Otherwise, where was her surprise and indignation that someone, (unbeknownst to her), took pictures of JB down in the basement? A place that JB was reportedly scared of.

 

[renah]

This is one of the most informative threads Ive seen, an excellent jumping-off place to additional sources. It also contains info regarding some details and theory-themes which havent been discussed much lately.

It's title is remarkably similiar to a thread we've got going now, though, isnt it? Reading older discussions and seeing ideas evolve gives me some hope for the future-- Its not unrealistic to hope for some sort of resolvement, I believe.

Then again, we might (YOU might- it wont be me & my little pea brain lol)-- the case might actually get solved, and we might not even know it.

 

[Linda7NJ]

otg,
Well I have never had sight of the photographs. None of the R's claimed ownership. It was not simply a computer search it was a house search.

Patsy's BPD Interview 1998, excerpt


I think someone has taken a photograph of JonBenet posing in the laundry room. Here I am referring to Thomas Haney's cutesy remarks. BPD never asked this question outright, since they did not want to reveal what they knew.

This collection of photographs are not your usual domestic themed pictures. They probably have JonBenet posing in pageant mode. This made BPD suspicious hence the house searches for more or worse.

That is BPD did not travel interstate to search for everyday, domestically themed photographs. This information and its outcome was sealed, but it was likely negative and the R's did not wish to have the case sensationalized further with the information that their houses were being searched for .

This collection of photographs must be relevant. PR is denying all knowledge, she does not even ask Haney, what the photographs' theme is.

It must be safe to assume that the photographs found in the basement were not pornographic. So maybe BPD were hunting for cutesy pictures?


The real question is why would one of the R's dump a collection of pictures, with JonBenet as their subject, into the laundry room?


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I just had a thought... Remember Wendy Murphy's comments about bondage kiddie or something?

 

[DeeDee249]

I just had a thought... Remember Wendy Murphy's comments about bondage kiddie or something?

You know, years ago I had read somewhere that bondage-type photos of children were found on Access Graphics computers at the Amsterdam office. I think we all can agree that Amsterdam is a huge hub for child . I never read any more about it, so I cannot say with certainty that it is true. I can't believe it could stay hidden for so long, but things DO get covered up. BIG things. Like Rosewell. So this would be small potatoes.

 

[Venom]

Yes, I just came across that a bit ago, and now I can't find where I saw it.

 

[Linda7NJ]

You know, years ago I had read somewhere that bondage-type photos of children were found on Access Graphics computers at the Amsterdam office. I think we all can agree that Amsterdam is a huge hub for child . I never read any more about it, so I cannot say with certainty that it is true. I can't believe it could stay hidden for so long, but things DO get covered up. BIG things. Like Rosewell. So this would be small potatoes.

Roswell. ...you're a gal after my own heart!

I so remember more than one person that worked this case that saying there is another mountain of evidence that remains outside the public arena. That no one knows about and hasn't been reported.

I do believe, I'd cut off my toe to see it!

 

[DeeDee249]

Roswell. ...you're a gal after my own heart!

read TONS of stuff on that, too. Want some GREAT books? PM me.

 

[Linda7NJ]

read TONS of stuff on that, too. Want some GREAT books? PM me.

I probably already read them! That's my second secret guilty pleasure. Right up there between Real Housewives and Hershey bars!

Day After Roswell is my fav

 

[madeleine]

http://www.gosanangelo.com/news/201...ld-beauty-pageants-merci/?partner=yahoo_feeds

Fanned by fears that their sex-obsessed society is producing “hypersexual” young girls, the French Senate has voted to ban adults from entering a child under age 16 into a beauty pageant.

The measure, approved in Paris last week on a 197-146 vote, would set criminal penalties of two years in prison and 30,000 euros — roughly $40,500 — in fines in an effort to protect girls from becoming sexualized too early. The measure next goes to the National Assembly for further debate.

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[tezi]

Joe Barnhill saw JAR walking up the walk to the house. As far as his presence in Georgia Christmas Eve- he could still have been in Boulder by Christmas afternoon. Remember JR had access to private planes, which often file no flight plans nor have passenger manifests. There is still the possibility that he was already in Boulder for the flight to Charlevoix and not with sister in Minneapolis. Her fiance was also there. He has been notoriously silent about the whole thing. I feel he was simply keeping out of it all. He was about to marry into this family. Not a time to call anyone out on their lies.

DeeDee,

Joe Barnhill later retracted that statement to ST. I am currently rereading Thomas' book. I will look the page up and cite it here for you.

Barnhill told Thomas, and I am paraphrasing, "That he couldn't pick JAR out of a crowd."

That statement helped clear up JAR's alibi and is one of the reasons he was cleared by the BPD.

JMO

ETA: It may take me awhile. I have a ton of stuff to do, but I will get it done today!

 

[otg]

DeeDee,

Joe Barnhill later retracted that statement to ST. I am currently rereading Thomas' book. I will look the page up and cite it here for you.

Barnhill told Thomas, and I am paraphrasing, "That he couldn't pick JAR out of a crowd."

That statement helped clear up JAR's alibi and is one of the reasons he was cleared by the BPD.

JMO

ETA: It may take me awhile. I have a ton of stuff to do, but I will get it done today!

I believe the Barnhill quote on JAR is on page-71 (just to save you a little time). But somewhere in [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=126011"]this thread[/ame], it is quoted, as well as a lot more information on JAR (his reactions, his observations, his comments).

(...and WB, tezi.)

 

[tezi]

I believe the Barnhill quote on JAR is on page-71 (just to save you a little time). But somewhere in this thread, it is quoted, as well as a lot more information on JAR (his reactions, his observations, his comments).

(...and WB, tezi.)

Thank you, otg. What does WB mean? Nevermind...Figured it out...Thank you!

I am going to look up page 71 now and cite it...

Another reason to interview the Barnhills, however, was that Joe had told the police that he had seen JonBenet's older-half brother, John Andrew, in Boulder on the evening of December 25. John Andrew claimed to have been in Atlanta at the time. During the interview, Barnhill sheepishly told us he made a mistake and apologized, saying that he probably would not even recognize the young man in a crowd. That went a long way toward firming up John Andrew's alibi.

JMO