Found Deceased IL - Andrew Freund, 5, Crystal Lake, 17 April 2019 *Arrests* - #3

[Trudie]

I’m still having a problem determining how the 03-04 incident is known. I assume one of the two told LE the other severely beat AJ on 03-04 & he never fully recovered?

@Herat I know the ME is a professional, but he was doing an autopsy on a little boy that should have been playing outside, enjoying a nice spring day.

 

[Herat]

I’d like to know why she felt another pregnancy was a good thing?

You are assuming she was capable of regulating birth control when all she really wanted was drugs to inject.

Considering who the purported father is, I don't think there was the least bit of planning that went into this pregnancy

 

[Trudie]

You are assuming she was capable of regulating birth control when all she really wanted was drugs to inject.

Considering who the purported father is, I don't think there was the least bit of planning that went into this pregnancy

No, I don’t think it was a planned pregnancy.
I’m actually surprised she’s made it to the third trimester.

 

[Whiteorchids]

Since the abuse was apparently directed towards AJ, I wonder if exhaustion, cravings, erratic sleep patterns in the woman led to her placing AJ in charge of his brother. Of course we all know two unsupervised kids can find a lot of things to do, creating large messes. Maybe if she napped or locked herself in her bedroom leaving AJ to be the adult, he faced punishment for not watching his brother properly? Kind of a “you’re the big brother & you know better” thing?
As I mentioned last night, the absence of bruises on the brother means nothing to me. I don’t think he led an abuse free life in a normal home.
Jmo

Where was Dad? I wonder which parent did most of the beatings? I’m assuming her. Did they take turns? He didn’t work being suspended. Was he named in any of the DCFS documents?

 

[Trudie]

Where was Dad? I wonder which parent did most of the beatings? I’m assuming her. Did they take turns? He didn’t work being suspended. Was he named in any of the DCFS documents?

I don’t think we will ever get answers to your questions.
If they don’t take plea deals, in trial they will blame the other.

 

[osu]

I’m still having a problem determining how the 03-04 incident is known. I assume one of the two told LE the other severely beat AJ on 03-04 & he never fully recovered?

@Herat I know the ME is a professional, but he was doing an autopsy on a little boy that should have been playing outside, enjoying a nice spring day.

I read that LE gained knowledge of the March 4th incident from images and information investigators were able to recover (some of which were deleted), from their cell phones.

JMO

 

[Trish51]

I've heard of moms keeping their babies in prison with them for a while. It's said to be effective in mom's not being repeat offenders and ending up back in prison. However, in JC's case I don't think that would be allowed since she abused and caused or was part of the death of her child. We don't know for sure which it is but I suspect, based on her past with her oldest, she was the primary abuser and AJ Sr was the one trying to clean up her messes as well as being a secondary abuser.

It's really hard to tell from the pictures if those are bruises or burns. If they are, and are a result of abuse I don't think she would post them and i would guess her first attorney would advise her to take any incriminating photos off her social media accounts.

From the time the AJ's case was closed in 2016 until 2018, there are no DCFS reports. Some of the photos could be from that time. As she declined, so did AJ. I think AJ may have been too difficult for her and due to drug use, she took disipline too far or would have hallucinations and he was the "evil" one.

AJ was in foster care with a family member. I'm sure she had contact with him during that time. That would have been part of the case plan for them. Which, speaking of foster care, she may have been a foster parent for a relative as well but was doing well at that time and living with her ex-husband.

 

[Whiteorchids]

I have a feeling this is going to be like the Bella Bond case and after many interrogations and much investigating LE will come to the conclusion which one caused AJ’s death and push the other parent to throw the other under the bus with a sweet plea deal like they did mother Rachelle Bond who was a big meth and crackhead addict just like her BF who was convicted. People thought she should have been convicted as well as they both participated in Bellas death. Of course once set free she violated parole out drugging again and they didn’t send her back to jail. This upset so many people as going back to jail was part of the plea agreement.

God forbid if father is the one that did the beatings and they offer JC some kind of sweet plea deal to testify against him. Therefore she would get lighter sentence even probation like Rachelle Bond to get access to her baby and have other children in the future.

 

[Trudie]

I’ve read that LE gained knowledge of the March 4th incident from images and information investigators were able to recover (some of which were deleted), from their cell phones.

JMO

Yeah & a few WSers mentioned the same.
Will it come down to medical intervention could have saved him? Of course they could not call 911 & admit beating him.

 

[Herat]

@Herat tysm for explanation.

So it is possible AJ died due to the alleged beating on 03-04?

It's possible, and it's possible that AJ buried him in March, not mid-April as the story has been released. LE will be able to determine that very quickly and they've released nothing to indicate the earlier timeline is the more accurate one.
I also don't think JC and AJ would have kept the child's body in the house for 5-6 weeks.

So we are going on March 4 as the last time it could be verified AJ was seen alive by someone else? So that means either he was not at the motel on the April 13 visit, or he was and was not in the photos posted to FB

I think the key to the timing is the odd visit to the motel April 13. The photos have JC and P in them, and above someone said AF was seen in one shot, but I'm under the impression AJ was not in any of the shots. If he was there, someone at the hotel will be able to document it, and maybe JC was further ignoring his existence.

If he wasn't there, was he already dead or had they left him home alone. I'm not sure why leaving him at home alone would have been a safe deal for them. He could have gotten out of the house and been found wandering the street. He could have set something on fire trying to stay warm. It seem....risky.... to me. Perhaps he was left alone and became the target of rage and the torture/murder. Perhaps she had bought a new stash of meth and her meth-high rage was full on.

Sadly, I also have to consider he was already dead on April 13 and the trip to the motel was 1- a kind of celebration it was over, 2 - time to get P out of the house so AJ could clean up and remove him. LE will have phone evidence about the timeline, and I would think their allegation that he was murdered on April 15 was documented by the texting and confessions.

 

[Blondie in Spokane]

Guys, I’m having a real hard time staying off this thread. I hurt so badly for A.J. who wasn’t shown the love, care and nurturing he deserved.

When I look at the scumbags’ mug shots I want to hurl. ‘Dad’ looks like “ya, whatever, let’s get this over with” and ‘Mom’ is a thing out of nightmares! And I do mean ‘thing’, she’s not a person. Good Lord, to see that cruel, mean, pi$$ed off face coming at you in a rage...you’d know there was hell to pay and it was going to hurt badly.

I hope A.J. knows how many of us on this forum truly care for him and would have sacrificed ourselves, changed places with him and would gladly have taken a beating for him.

This morning I saw those photos of A.J. when he was younger and I was stunned. He looked so happy and much, much healthier. The juxtaposition was heartbreaking.....but then, everything about this case is heartbreaking.

 

[Trudie]

If he wasn't there, was he already dead or had they left him home alone. I'm not sure why leaving him at home alone would have been a safe deal for them.

Possibly he was not mobile, if he survived the 03-04 beating? Maybe worsening day by day. Idk
If they did leave him alone I think they were confident he would not get out of bed. Jmo

@Blondie in Spokane well said. It was good to see a few photos of AJ smiling, playing, seemingly happy. Looking at the last photos, it is like he became her. I guess he smiled in the haircut images because he had some good attention for a moment or two.

 

[Midgie2]

I have a feeling this is going to be like the Bella Bond case and after many interrogations and much investigating LE will come to the conclusion which one caused AJ’s death and push the other parent to throw the other under the bus with a sweet plea deal like they did mother Rachelle Bond who was a big meth and crackhead addict just like her BF who was convicted. People thought she should have been convicted as well as they both participated in Bellas death. Of course once set free she violated parole out drugging again and they didn’t send her back to jail. This upset so many people as going back to jail was part of the plea agreement.

God forbid if father is the one that did the beatings and they offer JC some kind of sweet plea deal to testify against him. Therefore she would get lighter sentence even probation like Rachelle Bond to get access to her baby and have other children in the future.

Forgive me if I’m mistaken but I thought that a Class X Felony automatically takes ever having parole impossible. (FYI, she is charged with 2 Class X Felonies).

 

[Herat]

Guys, I’m having a real hard time staying off this thread. I hurt so badly for A.J. who wasn’t shown the love, care and nurturing he deserved.

When I look at the scumbags’ mug shots I want to hurl. ‘Dad’ looks like “ya, whatever, let’s get this over with” and ‘Mom’ is a thing out of nightmares! And I do mean ‘thing’, she’s not a person. Good Lord, to see that cruel, mean, pi$$ed off face coming at you in a rage...you’d know there was hell to pay and it was going to hurt badly.

I hope A.J. knows how many of us on this forum truly care for him and would have sacrificed ourselves, changed places with him and would gladly have taken a beating for him.

This morning I saw those photos of A.J. when he was younger and I was stunned. He looked so happy and much, much healthier. The juxtaposition was heartbreaking.....but then, everything about this case is heartbreaking.

I think his maternal grandmother knows how much people are, and likely older stepbrother knows. He may also be feeling survivor's remorse because he knows what kind of conditions his step-brother had to endure.

 

[Herat]

Forgive me if I’m mistaken but I thought that a Class X Felony automatically takes ever having parole impossible. (FYI, she is charged with 2 Class X Felonies).

Well, there's charging and then there are trials and plea deals.

The end result may not reflect the original charges, and we see this over and over and over again in these outrageous crimes.

 

[Trish51]

God forbid if father is the one that did the beatings and they offer JC some kind of sweet plea deal to testify against him. Therefore she would get lighter sentence even probation like Rachelle Bond to get access to her baby and have other children in the future.

I don't think that will happen due to the Class X felony charge, which from what I've read is tough for the defense. The prosecuction probably has some pretty incriminating evidence which would make it hard for a defense attorney to enter a plea, let alone let it go to trial. But, I'm not a lawyer so who knows. Haha

 

[Trudie]

Of course any prior med’ conditions AJ had will be brought up as factors, should there be a trial. Idk if he had med’ probs.

 

[Trudie]

Wonder where P will ultimately end up?
And, according to IL law (previously linked) the parents decide where the baby goes. If they don’t agree, I guess the state decides. If the bf is the dad, he may want his family to have custody.

 

[Blondie in Spokane]

Since the abuse was apparently directed towards AJ, I wonder if exhaustion, cravings, erratic sleep patterns in the woman led to her placing AJ in charge of his brother. Of course we all know two unsupervised kids can find a lot of things to do, creating large messes. Maybe if she napped or locked herself in her bedroom leaving AJ to be the adult, he faced punishment for not watching his brother properly? Kind of a “you’re the big brother & you know better” thing?
As I mentioned last night, the absence of bruises on the brother means nothing to me. I don’t think he led an abuse free life in a normal home.
Jmo

I have no doubt this happened A LOT! jmo

 

[kaen]

AJ was in foster care with a family member. I'm sure she had contact with him during that time. That would have been part of the case plan for them. Which, speaking of foster care, she may have been a foster parent for a relative as well but was doing well at that time and living with her ex-husband.

It has been reported (I posted long ago, either in this thread or the previous one) that she was taking care of a family member when she was a foster parent. As well, it was reported that AJ was with a family member when he was fostered.