Found Deceased IL - Andrew Freund, 5, Crystal Lake, 17 April 2019 *Arrests* - #3

[gitana1]

I understand completely. At the same time, I can’t see a doctor writing a heroin addict Adderal. They use it to counter heroin, allowing them to double up on heroin usage. Extremely dangerous. With the Casper system, pharmacists catch skeptical prescriptions.
As far as AJ not being tested, idk. From what I’ve read, I think she considered him a problem child, moo. Therefore, I would not be surprised if she had his doctor prescribe Adderal or Ritalin.
The AAP diagnoses at age 4.
https://www.webmd.com/add-adhd/childhood-adhd/features/adhd-in-preschoolers#1
Furthermore, kids born to women that used opioids during pregnancy have a high rate of ADHD.
Behavior and Attention Problems in Eight-Year-Old Children with Prenatal Opiate and Poly-Substance Exposure: A Longitudinal Study

I can:

Patients died, families lived in fear of doctor charged as drug dealer

Did Hamilton doctor cause deaths of two patients?

Nearly 60 Doctors, Other Medical Workers Charged In Federal Opioid Sting

 

[Trudie]

Guidelines for diagnosing ADHD do not cover children ages 3 years or younger.

However, there is evidence that doctors are diagnosing ADHD in toddlers.

Factors that may cause a doctor to suspect ADHD at this age include:

• genetic factors
• if the mother used drugs or alcohol during pregnancy
• if the mother smoked during pregnancy
• if the mother was exposed to environmental toxins during pregnancy
• preterm birth or low birth weight
• central nervous system problems at critical moments in development
• a delay in motor development, speech, and language
• behavioral difficulties
• a family history of ADHD

ADHD in toddlers: Early signs, symptoms, and treatment

 

[Trudie]

I can:

Patients died, families lived in fear of doctor charged as drug dealer

Did Hamilton doctor cause deaths of two patients?

Nearly 60 Doctors, Other Medical Workers Charged In Federal Opioid Sting

Yeah, it happens, too much.
With JC living in the CL area for years, her known history with drugs, LE, Courts, etc., I think the chances are slim.
Maybe she doctor shopped or has a friend with a prescription tablet.......

 

[BlinkOfAnI]

Interesting info for those who like to look a little deeper. Posting this link as there has been much talk about responsibilities or neglect there of with DFCS in IL. This is the last report issued and gives a break down of serious injuries and deaths of children involved in different phases of the DFSC program including cause. Most interesting is the unfounded cases as was AJ's last case if I remember correctly. It also gives narratives of the cases and findings as well as complaints against DFCS workers. It's pretty detailed.
DCFS Annual Report 2019 | Child Protective Services | Child Protection

 

[Simply Southern]

I don't think it was made up. I think it was covered up.
MOO

She,went to the hospital. LE, EMS, hospitals are required to report ODs into a state data base, where they go to

I struggle with everything you are saying here as well. I agree that addicts and abusers need to be held to the same standards as the rest of us. Someone else posted that if these child abusers inflicted these injuries on grown adults or children unrelated to them they'd be serving time for assault. How pitiful is it that they are more protected for harming their own children????

Maybe the 3 strikes rule should apply:

First time, there's a problem let's identify it and get you the tools and help for a chance at rehabilitation.

Second time, what were the circumstances surrounding relapse/incident? Suspend any state/federal assistance pending a significant probationary period.

Third time, go to jail to serve a real sentence equal to the action and suspend any future assistance eligibility.

IDK, it's something that bothers me greatly. I'm angry, sad, shocked and disgusted, but something has got to change I agree.

I agree, I want to help folks but folks at some point need to step up and show good faith effort.

 

[Trudie]

Interesting info for those who like to look a little deeper. Posting this link as there has been much talk about responsibilities or neglect there of with DFCS in IL. This is the last report issued and gives a break down of serious injuries and deaths of children involved in different phases of the DFSC program including cause. Most interesting is the unfounded cases as was AJ's last case if I remember correctly. It also gives narratives of the cases and findings as well as complaints against DFCS workers. It's pretty detailed.
DCFS Annual Report 2019 | Child Protective Services | Child Protection

Really interesting.

 

[Simply Southern]

I understand completely. At the same time, I can’t see a doctor writing a heroin addict Adderal. They use it to counter heroin, allowing them to double up on heroin usage. Extremely dangerous. With the Casper system, pharmacists catch skeptical prescriptions.
As far as AJ not being tested, idk. From what I’ve read, I think she considered him a problem child, moo. Therefore, I would not be surprised if she had his doctor prescribe Adderal or Ritalin.
The AAP diagnoses at age 4.
https://www.webmd.com/add-adhd/childhood-adhd/features/adhd-in-preschoolers#1
Furthermore, kids born to women that used opioids during pregnancy have a high rate of ADHD.
Behavior and Attention Problems in Eight-Year-Old Children with Prenatal Opiate and Poly-Substance Exposure: A Longitudinal Study

They evicted couple living in the basement in 2014, with police assistance. They told police they were former heroine addicts and thought the couple were using.

 

[MsFacetious]

It was not on the report. It was in the police communications. I went back to the 12/18 audio transmissions today and posted what was said. It was about 2 hours of communications. Including her arrest on that date and the police taking the children to the station and then to child services. I only posted a few things from the burglary.

Thanks for listening, I have not been able to. Did they mention any injuries to AJ or the state of the house or any of that?

 

[Tippy Lynn]

This is what I have on the timeline for December 2018:

December 18, 2018 - Tuesday

• From scanner (police communications) - JC claims an android cell phone and 2 prescription pill bottles (Adderall for ADHD and Suboxin for treatment of opioid addiction and dependence) were stolen in an alleged burglary from her home.
• ER Physician examined AJ and could not state how his injury was caused. The doctor reported injury could have been caused by a dog, belt or a football. The doctor was concerned because AJ stated that "maybe someone hit me with a belt. Maybe mommy didn't mean to hurt me." DCFS investigator contacted the father to pick the children up from hospital until the home environment can be assessed. The father was asked to remain in the home as a safety precaution.
• DCFS investigated another allegation of abuse and neglect by JC. AJ was temporarily removed by police, but he was returned to the home after the allegations were ruled unfounded. There was no evidence to support allegations of deplorable conditions in the home, and bruising on AJ was attributed to the dog. Another officer at the same call noted in her report that upstairs where the boys sleep a window was open and there was an overwhelming smell of feces. That same officer noticed that one of the boys, who was only wearing a pull-up diaper, had a large bruise on his hip.

December 19, 2018 - Wednesday

• Woodstock police arrested DN, after he allegedly kicked and hit two nurses and a security guard at Northwestern Medical Hospital. DN 36 yr old, is also reported to have lived at the home some time within the past year

December 21, 2018

• JC - Traffic Violation

 

[girlhasnoname]

This is what I have on the timeline for December 2018:

December 18, 2018 - Tuesday

• From scanner (police communications) - JC claims an android cell phone and 2 prescription pill bottles (Adderall for ADHD and Suboxin for treatment of opioid addiction and dependence) were stolen in an alleged burglary from her home.
• ER Physician examined AJ and could not state how his injury was caused. The doctor reported injury could have been caused by a dog, belt or a football. The doctor was concerned because AJ stated that "maybe someone hit me with a belt. Maybe mommy didn't mean to hurt me." DCFS investigator contacted the father to pick the children up from hospital until the home environment can be assessed. The father was asked to remain in the home as a safety precaution.
• DCFS investigated another allegation of abuse and neglect by JC. AJ was temporarily removed by police, but he was returned to the home after the allegations were ruled unfounded. There was no evidence to support allegations of deplorable conditions in the home, and bruising on AJ was attributed to the dog. Another officer at the same call noted in her report that upstairs where the boys sleep a window was open and there was an overwhelming smell of feces. That same officer noticed that one of the boys, who was only wearing a pull-up diaper, had a large bruise on his hip.

December 19, 2018 - Wednesday

• Woodstock police arrested DN, after he allegedly kicked and hit two nurses and a security guard at Northwestern Medical Hospital. DN 36 yr old, is also reported to have lived at the home some time within the past year

December 21, 2018

• JC - Traffic Violation

As always Tippy thank you!

 

[BlinkOfAnI]

You are so very welcome Kaen you made my day! Big cyber hug to you. I truly appreciate the fact that you took the time to tell me that.

It was a long 2 hours listening lol. It is the best subscription service I have ever paid for. I have had that for many years and it is very handy.

Gotta hit the sack to get up at 3 am to get ready for my 10 hour work day oh boy.

Appreciate your input. Can I ask what the subscription service is? Respond when you can. Night.

 

[ilovechili]

Yeah, it happens, too much.
With JC living in the CL area for years, her known history with drugs, LE, Courts, etc., I think the chances are slim.
Maybe she doctor shopped or has a friend with a prescription tablet.......

Well she was running to Elkhorn, Wisconsin for meds back when the custody suit for her older child was going on per the court papers. Elkhorn is about a 40 mile drive, not exactly in her neighborhood and it is also an entirely different state... Additionally, Elkhorn is a small town... It makes me wonder...

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

She,went to the hospital. LE, EMS, hospitals are required to report ODs into a state data base, where they go to


I agree, I want to help folks but folks at some point need to step up and show good faith effort.

I was referring to the pot of boiling water,and bandaids.
Sorry.

 

[Only4Justice]

I am so beyond angry and sad for poor AJ.

Hope I can sleep tonight after catching up on these threads.

My dogs have more love and attention than these poor children.

 

[BlinkOfAnI]

Well she was running to Elkhorn, Wisconsin for meds back when the custody suit for her older child was going on per the court papers. Elkhorn is about a 40 mile drive, not exactly in her neighborhood and it is also an entirely different state... Additionally, Elkhorn is a small town... It makes me wonder...

Living in one state and going to border state for drugs was common in my working days. Interstate compact for traffic violations is still a barrier in many states so I would be curious if and which states share their prescription drug database with others so doctors can run a report. In my state the doctors can only run a patients report (OARS) for our state. IOW a person could give a doctor an address (fake) in a bordering state and the doctor would have no idea the patient lived in a different state and was getting any medication.

 

[ilovechili]

I have hardly commented for over a week. I have spent days catching up with the comments and events unfolding (finding this poor child, their arrest, etc.). After having caught up, just a few thoughts.

Even though some seem to think she was the main abuser here (not everyone, opinions vary), I at this point feel they are both pretty responsible and both abused this child.

This is in no way a defense of her but more so an inclusion of both--for instance, we know AJ was born opioid addicted but where was dad? He must have first of all known she was using during the pregnancy and second of all, why could the child not have been placed with him if not with the mother? He could have stepped up and provided the child a home and put her out if she was with him, there must have been a reason he could not parent.

While one likely flipped on the other and threw the other under the bus, I do not see either implicating him or herself to the point of the charges each carries so I am just surmising there is evidence aside from a confession that both were actively involved in the physical abuse of this child.

Again, not a defense of her but there was the one occasion the neighbor saw the boys in the car and JC was trying to get them out of there and away from him to a motel or so it seemed.

If they were not playing a game in 2014 was it(?), when they wanted the heroin users out of their basement, apparently and possibly they were clean and trying to stay that way. Too bad they didn't stay that way, not that I feel drug use is in any way, shape or form an excuse for the horrible things they did to this child and for causing his death.

Both are clear former drug users at least, he has known history even with his law firm trying to get him help; she does as well.

On another note, while it may appear the younger child was not abused or as abused as AJ, both the oldest and AJ were treated badly and I doubt the youngest escaped or at least would have escaped. It is also clear both AJ and little brother lived amongst anger, violent fights, feces, urine, lack of food, electricity, in the cold with broken windows, etc. He in no way was treated well either when one considers everything.

I wonder if the fact he was an attorney actually had him not quite as suspected or looked at by neighbors, co-workers, LE, etc. Did the two of them always live together once they met? It appeared that way.

I cannot believe she was allowed to foster children before having her own back who was born addicted to opioids, that makes absolutely no sense to me. Where was he though, was he not also in the home? How does the very agency that took your child approve you as a foster parent before you are even approved to have your own child returned?

I feel as most do, this case is one I almost wish I had not looked at and I do not think I can handle any more detail but I do want to see proof that both are responsible as I think they are. I also want to see no sweet deal for anyone if that is the case.

Just talking out loud and just my thoughts at this time.

RIP beautiful child--you did not deserve this.

 

[ilovechili]

Living in one state and going to border state for drugs was common in my working days. Interstate compact for traffic violations is still a barrier in many states so I would be curious if and which states share their prescription drug database with others so doctors can run a report. In my state the doctors can only run a patients report (OARS) for our state. IOW a person could give a doctor an address (fake) in a bordering state and the doctor would have no idea the patient lived in a different state and was getting any medication.

Great thought, that makes perfect sense. I wonder as well which states share that information.

I also noted in all of the reports that it was mentioned in one that when someone "says" their prescription meds were stolen, in IL at least, a doctor will only replace them if you have a police report number. This may explain the real reason for reporting thefts of prescription meds in this case more than once...

Apparently addicts know all of the tricks...

 

[Simply Southern]

I was referring to the pot of boiling water,and bandaids.
Sorry.

OOOPS, I didn't see the boiling water, incident in the DCPS nor in the 63 page call and arrest from LE.
I know a neighbor said it happened, at Halloween, but no report anywhere.

So the hospital covered it up. They are JCAHO accredited, they have procedures to report, serious injury, and this certain would met this requirement, to LE, the CPS hotline and complete a written report to CPS within 48 hours, per Illinois mandated reporting law. You can't hide a incident like that in the ER. ERs are central command for gossip, no way they kept that a secret. LE and EMTs are in the ER a lot, they are all good buddies, they talk.

 

[Trudie]

I feel as most do, this case is one I almost wish I had not looked at and I do not think I can handle any more detail but I do want to see proof that both are responsible as I think they are.

I think both are equally responsible. If not, one party would have taken the kids & left. The deplorable living condition was abusive enough w/o adding brutal beatings to the mix. Their house was a hell hole, not a home.
I think both used any combo of any drug they could get to satisfy their cravings. If no drugs available there was hell to pay & AJ for reasons we will never know, had to pay.
Looking at photos, it is almost as if AJ mirrored JC in declining physical appearance. The last photos of him with his haircut haunt me, even his eyes appear sunken, dark & empty. What did they do to him?

 

[Trudie]

Great thought, that makes perfect sense. I wonder as well which states share that information.

I also noted in all of the reports that it was mentioned in one that when someone "says" their prescription meds were stolen, in IL at least, a doctor will only replace them if you have a police report number. This may explain the real reason for reporting thefts of prescription meds in this case more than once...

Apparently addicts know all of the tricks...

I think SOP nationwide requires a police report for stolen Rx to be refilled. Oldest trick in the book, sell one bottle, get a replacement, use all asap, report another theft or claim the dog ate the pills, kids flushed them, or.....
I would not care if not A & J stayed in their hell hole chasing one another with weapons, shooting drugs, bringing in a third person, living in filth if they had surrendered the boys & the dog to someone that could care for them. That’s all they had to do. So simple.