IL-Chicago Police Officer Says She Feared Using Gun While Being Beaten Oct. 2016

[Tawny]

We armchair quarterback every situation that comes up, this one's no different. I have all the respect in the world for her, especially because she managed to walk away without killing anyone.

 

[bluesneakers]

We armchair quarterback every situation that comes up, this one's no different. I have all the respect in the world for her, especially because she managed to walk away without killing anyone.

Me too. It's amazing what she did and I wish instead of twisting it into how afraid she was they would use it to show how brave she was.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Me too. It's amazing what she did and I wish instead of twisting it into how afraid she was they would use it to show how brave she was.

They are not twisting anything. She stated she was afraid to use her gun due to the backlash and what it would do to her city and family.
Who is twisting what exactly?

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Reminder of what she said...


“She looked at me and said she thought she was going to die, and she knew that she should shoot this guy, but she chose not to because she didn’t want her family or the department to have to go through the scrutiny the next day on national news,” he said.

https://www.google.com/amp/chicago....r-attacking-police-officer/amp/?client=safari

So if she said that, who is twisting this?

 

[CoolJ]

They are not twisting anything. She stated she was afraid to use her gun due to the backlash and what it would do to her city and family.
Who is twisting what exactly?

Where did SHE state that. I must have missed it.

 

[CoolJ]

Bringing up an old case because it was said if this officer was being beaten, nobody would object to lethal force.
History shows that is wrong.
People react FIRST before the facts come out.
If this officer had shot him, I guarantee you there would have been protests (peaceful and not), eye witnesses giving incorrect versions of events, news footage of grieving family members saying he was a teddy bear that didn't have a violent bone in his body, calls for the mayor and police chief to resign... I could go on and on.
And all of this would have occurred BEFORE any facts were known or any investigation could be conducted.

THAT IS WHAT SHE FEARED.

Many people could give two chits about the truth. And everybody reading this knows this is how it would have gone down. Whether they want to admit it or not.

JMO

Please refer me to a case where an officer was being severely beaten and used lethal force that turned into protests and incorrect eye witness accounts?

 

[drjones]

Please refer me to a case where an officer was being severely beaten and used lethal force that turned into protests and incorrect eye witness accounts?

Any case cited will just be dismissed with claims it didnt really happen that way, the police lied, etc.

 

[drjones]

Where did SHE state that. I must have missed it.

Did you read any of the stories about this incident? There are several linked right in this thread, they all contain sources directly relating what they were told by the officer.

But I suppose it cant be proven unless we have video, although even video can be doctored so maybe we should just never believe anything unless we see it happen in person.

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

We armchair quarterback every situation that comes up, this one's no different. I have all the respect in the world for her, especially because she managed to walk away without killing anyone.

Actually, she didn't walk away. She was carried away on a stretcher.

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[Tawny]

Actually, she didn't walk away. She was carried away on a stretcher.

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She SURVIVED without killing anyone. Jesus. You know very well what was meant by that, c'mon.

 

[katydid23]

She SURVIVED without killing anyone. Jesus. You know very well what was meant by that, c'mon.

She survived with lifelong painful injuries. But it is just wonderful that she didn't hurt the lovely man that was beating her head against the pavement. He got to live another day, to make all of his court appearances for his prior violent crimes against society. God forbid she harmed a hair on his lovely head. That would be just tragic.

 

[bluesneakers]

She survived with lifelong painful injuries. But it is just wonderful that she didn't hurt the lovely man that was beating her head against the pavement. He got to live another day, to make all of his court appearances for his prior violent crimes against society. God forbid she harmed a hair on his lovely head. That would be just tragic.

That's called justice. Better he have to face his crimes and pay for them than be made a martyr.

 

[katydid23]

That's called justice. Better he have to face his crimes and pay for them than be made a martyr.

It's not perfect justice if he horrifically injures a female officer to the extent she was injured. Personally, I would prefer he was martyred at the start of the fight and she did not have to battle painful injuries which likely will end her career and make her life difficult. JMO

 

[drjones]

That's called justice. Better he have to face his crimes and pay for them than be made a martyr.

Who would make a martyr out of him? Surely nobody is exploiting these sorts of situations right?

Also, nothing in that scenario has anything to do with justice. The officers actions on that day and whether there was "justice" is wholly unrelated to any past crimes or public reaction.

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

And had he shot, this would be a whole different thread wondering why they didn't "just shoot him in the leg or arm." GMAFB

You're right unless the perp was white. There would be no protests and no thread. The cops would be saying thank goodness he was white and it's sad they have to think that.

 

[bluesneakers]

You're right unless the perp was white. There would be no protests and no thread. The cops would be saying thank goodness he was white and it's sad they have to think that.

This is simply not true. There have been protests for white victims of police violence, and there are a lot of threads here about white victims of police violence.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?315456-Trooper-shoots-deaf-man
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...t-and-killed-by-police-responding-to-911-call
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...19-fatally-shot-by-Fresno-police-25-June-2016

Etc.

And JMO but "Thank goodness he was white" is a rather revolting thought to randomly attribute to LEOs.

 

[katydid23]

This is simply not true. There have been protests for white victims of police violence, and there are a lot of threads here about white victims of police violence.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?315456-Trooper-shoots-deaf-man
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...t-and-killed-by-police-responding-to-911-call
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...19-fatally-shot-by-Fresno-police-25-June-2016

Etc.

And JMO but "Thank goodness he was white" is a rather revolting thought to randomly attribute to LEOs.

I have never seen massive protests, with freeways shut down, and police stations invaded, in any cases of white victims shot by the police. I must have missed them.

 

[bluesneakers]

I have never seen massive protests, with freeways shut down, and police stations invaded, in any cases of white victims shot by the police. I must have missed them.

And because of that you believe police officers are relieved when they shoot a white person?

 

[katydid23]

And because of that you believe police officers are relieved when they shoot a white person?

It probably crosses their mind. They know that if they shoot a black suspect, in a matter of 30 minutes, the area will be flooded with angry protesters, brought by social media, and it will continue to grow and be erratic and chaotic. There will be no waiting for information or factual data. There will likely be civil unrest, and perhaps some lies perpetrated by phony 'witnesses' to the event. [ look at what went down in LA last weekend. Outright LIES by neighborhood 'witnesses---accusing cops of shooting the victim while he was already down etc]]

The cops involved will be almost certainly be subject to death threats against them and their families. People will threaten their children and parents as well . They will have to go into protective 'hiding' with their families. They may not be able to go back to their jobs, even if not charged or found guilty of anything.

So yes, they do probably feel relieved if they did not have to shoot a black suspect, armed or not, in the middle of a crime spree or not.

 

[just the facts pls]

We've had lots of news coverage about the neurological consequences of professional wrestling and football, and as of yet nobody has considered this an issue with police officers. If this woman is going to be dealing with long term consequences due to having her head caved into the pavement, then the violent criminal should pay for her physical and psychiatric therapy and compensate for any financial loss due to unemployment if she is unable to work after the fact. Oh nevermind, he just gets to walk away while someone (anyone!) else foots the bill for what he did.