IL-Chicago Police Officer Says She Feared Using Gun While Being Beaten Oct. 2016

[CoolJ]

He tasered the guy 20 times.

Somethin ain't right about that. He just stood there re-loading his taser 10 times? No billystick to the head or anything? Couldn't have choked him out?

 

[katydid23]

Somethin ain't right about that. He just stood there re-loading his taser 10 times? No billystick to the head or anything? Couldn't have choked him out?

It happened the other day near Roosevelt Road and Cicero Avenue, in the midmorning in the West Side's Austin neighborhood. A 28-year-old man with multiple arrests, including a firearms conviction, was suspected of leaving the scene of an accident.
Police said he began fighting with the officer and her partner, beating her unconscious as her partner hit him repeatedly with a Taser and then pepper spray.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...fect-chicago-police-1007-20161006-column.html


On Wednesday morning, police responded to a car crash at Roosevelt and Cicero on the city's West Side where officers encountered a man that police allege was violent and under the influence of drugs.


Three officers were hospitalized in the incident. One officer who was severely beaten told Supt. Johnson she was afraid for her life and afraid to use lethal force with all of the attention on the police department's previous actions and fatal incidents.
http://abc7chicago.com/1543015/

Dean Angelo told WLS “The non lethal options are exhausted with no impact. The officer tasered this guy 20 times, directly placing the device on his body for an extended amount of time and had no impact. Exhausted all of his pepper mace. And he (perpetrator) continues to attack. This is the type of individual that we’re dealing with out there that most of the crying parts of our society that are calling for police reform have no idea exist, that our officers deal with each and every day.”
The three officers who were injured are being treated at Lutheran General Hospital in Park Ridge. The suspect is under arrest after being treated and released at Loretto Hospital.
http://www.wlsam.com/2016/10/07/chi...does-not-shoot-police-union-president-reacts/

 

[just the facts pls]

I don't think I am missing the point. Someone said that if a cop was being 'severely' assaulted, then pulling out his gun is justified.

So what constitutes being 'severely assaulted'? One punch? two, three, more than three? How many times must the cop be hit/punched/kicked before he is justified shooting the attacker?

I think my question is right on point.

I think it is the most relevant question on this thread, since police officers aren't hired to be people's punching bags. Nobody exists to be someone else's punching bag, period. If someone truly thinks this, then that's a glaring reflection on what they really think about human rights.

What's ironic is that most people debating on the Internet against police officers have never been a police officer, don't know any police officers, and have zero idea how police officers are trained and why. They are so far removed from the situation that they can sit back and argue "coulda, woulda, shoulda" without ever considering the possibility that they are in the last position to decide anything for anyone.

 

[just the facts pls]

Exactly. Now, she'll probably be questioned on why she let it get so bad. Why her training didn't kick in. It's a lose, lose for this woman.

Sadly, I agree. I've also wondered if she's going to lose her job if her boss deems her incapable of defending herself or performing to the standard she was trained for.

No person (cop or otherwise) should have to hesitate to save their own life because they're worried their family is going to be targeted by an angry mob who demands justice even if the shooting would have been completely defensible.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

One punch can be lethal.
So....there's that.

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

One punch and they can use lethal force? That is what they are taught?

One punch could easily incapacitate or kill a person. I don't think it's reasonable to expect officers to be injured, perhaps severely, or killed before lethal force is justified.

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jul/21/deaths-from-a-single-punch-not-that-uncommon/

One-punch deaths fall even further down the list. But it happens often enough that Gunson, without pause, is able to describe precisely how a sock to the face can end a life.

“They fall over backwards and they hit the back of their head,” Gunson said. “They often end up having a skull fracture.”

The impact on hard ground causes the brain to ricochet into the opposite wall of the skull, somewhere around the forehead, causing hemorrhaging near the brain and death. It’s known as a contrecoup brain injury.

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[just the facts pls]

One punch could easily incapacitate or kill a person. I don't think it's reasonable to expect officers to be injured, perhaps severely, or killed before lethal force is justified.

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jul/21/deaths-from-a-single-punch-not-that-uncommon/

One-punch deaths fall even further down the list. But it happens often enough that Gunson, without pause, is able to describe precisely how a sock to the face can end a life.

“They fall over backwards and they hit the back of their head,” Gunson said. “They often end up having a skull fracture.”

The impact on hard ground causes the brain to ricochet into the opposite wall of the skull, somewhere around the forehead, causing hemorrhaging near the brain and death. It’s known as a contrecoup brain injury.

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Thanks for this. Wow, that's really scary to read about.

I read a story one time about a man who died from a minor head impact because he had a brain aneurysm that burst. I wish I could find it but I can't. Still, it's a good enough reason to not go around punching people.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

How did this go down? What was her partner doing as she was being severely beaten?

He was actually punched first. He also suffered a concussion. He tried to help her. P. Huff was tasered several times. This guy was high on PCP. All of the officers were fighting for their lives.

http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/loca...s-parta-huff-held-without-bond-396405051.html

Huff first punched the male officer, who ended up deploying his Taser, Santini said. After pulling out the prongs, Huff struggled with the female officer and allegedly knocked her to the ground. Huff ended up on top of the officer and started punching her in the face, Santini said.
The female officer’s partner intervened and got in between her and Huff
Her partner also was taken to the hospital with a concussion and had cuts, bruises, a torn quad and a broken thumb, Santini said.

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

So, what if the officer takes a turn for the worse, gets an unexpected brain bleed or something, and dies.

Would it still be great that she didn’t shoot when she had the chance?

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[Kimberlyd125]

Thanks for this. Wow, that's really scary to read about.

I read a story one time about a man who died from a minor head impact because he had a brain aneurysm that burst. I wish I could find it but I can't. Still, it's a good enough reason to not go around punching people.

Well, in P. Huffs defense, he was administered PCP at the hospital that morning so none of those is really his fault is it???

 

[human]

How could someone not respond to 20 tazes and all of that pepper mace? Is there proof of that?

 

[Kimberlyd125]

How could someone not respond to 20 tazes and all of that pepper mace? Is there proof of that?

He kept removing the prongs. Remember, he was high on PCP.
What kind of proof are you looking for?

ETA: people high on PCP often don't respond to tasers.

 

[just the facts pls]

Here's a story about a guy who cut his own penis off and jumped from a building. Even he admits he's lucky to be alive. Note that his friends all said that no hard drugs were involved, but when toxicology came back he had PCP in his system.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...d-balcony-Los-Angeles-apartment-building.html

Yikes! Don't do drugs, just say no!

 

[human]

He kept removing the prongs. Remember, he was high on PCP.
What kind of proof are you looking for?

ETA: people high on PCP often don't respond to tasers.

If he removed the prongs, how was he tazed 20 times?

 

[Kimberlyd125]

If he removed the prongs, how was he tazed 20 times?

I wasn't there.
I don't have proof.
Just going by what's been reported.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Google taser PCP and watch the videos and read the articles. There are MANY that show people high on PCP being constantly tased, pepper sprayed and beat with batons who are still up, walking around, and fighting LE.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Here's a story about a guy who cut his own penis off and jumped from a building. Even he admits he's lucky to be alive. Note that his friends all said that no hard drugs were involved, but when toxicology came back he had PCP in his system.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...d-balcony-Los-Angeles-apartment-building.html

Yikes! Don't do drugs, just say no!

I read one about a man who ate his own finger while being arrested. And one who stabbed himself in the stomach and was throwing his guts at the cop.
They don't feel pain.
It's crazy LE is expected to bring them in without a scratch.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

If only hospitals would stop giving these poor people PCP.
P. Huff said he was only on drugs because he had been to the hospital that morning. And he tested positive for PCP that afternoon. Maybe he should sue that hospital.

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

How could someone not respond to 20 tazes and all of that pepper mace? Is there proof of that?

Drugs. Happens all the time.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/miamiherald.relaymedia.com/amp/news/local/crime/article96092192.html

When the first Martin County Sheriff’s deputy arrived, Michelle was dead, and a shirtless Harrouff was on top of her husband, biting flesh from his face as he lay in the driveway. It would take three deputies, multiple Taser shots, and a police K-9 to drag away the muscular attacker, according to Sheriff William Snyder.

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[Dogface]

This is great! I mean it's awful she was hurt, but she didn't resort to the easy way out and killing another person needlessly. You can feel afraid but it doesn't have to dictate how you behave (which is true for everyone).

What a great example! Instead of hanging her head in shame or apologizing she should be proud!!

I respectfully, but sincerely and with my whole heart disagree to the fullest. He almost beat this officer to death, and I imagine she will live with many physical and emotional scars, possibly ptsd, all over a lawless, heartless person who if shot would have become some kind of martyr. As someone who WAS almost beat to death, I can tell you long after the physical scars heal, others remain raw and open. For ANYONE to take a beating and not defend themselves with whatever level of force needed to stop the person due to fear of backlash even when justified, is so wrong and twisted. I can't imagine many good people are rushing to be police officers these days. Their hands are becoming tied with their lives on the line, all because of criminals and those supporting them and turning cities upside down. Every shooting is turned into a spectacle, and when our cops can't defend themselves out of fear, that's a real problem.