IL-Chicago Police Officer Says She Feared Using Gun While Being Beaten Oct. 2016

[CoolJ]

Almost funny how people are doubting the cops version of events and what her thoughts were at the time, yet every eye witness in cases where officers shoot someone are some how credible.

I imagine she had the thought to not use her gun BEFORE she was attacked in such a vicious manner. And that almost cost her her own life. Little did she know that fear of hers, and her hesitation, would result in her head being pounded into the concrete by a criminal high on drugs.

But yes, let's doubt the credibility of this woman who almost died protecting and serving her local citizens.

I don't want to doubt her credibility. She could very well be a great person. I would just like to hear it fom her, and maybe we will, IDK. I am just posting about possibilities and suspicions because I don't take what I read in an online article as gospel. Not the same as doubting IMO.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Something I have questioned since this story broke. If this officer's face and head was banged into the concrete as badly as reported, how was she able to tell her reason for not shooting?

One would expect she may have a concussion, may have needed surgery, or was terribly swollen, bandaged, and sedated. It seems the Superintendent had the reason for her not shooting, immediately.

Just a thought.

She told him when he visited her in the hospital. As they were talking, she told him she knew she should have shot him, but she was afraid of the effect it would have on the community and her family.

Unless he's lying (which is what I think is being implied) she was not heavily sedated and was able to speak to him from her hospital bed.

 

[K_Z]

New Details Emerge in Brutal Beating of Chicago Police Officer as Alleged Attacker Held Without Bond

Despite being Tasered several times, Parta Huff continued to beat the uniformed officer during Wednesday’s attack at Roosevelt and Cicero, Assistant State’s Attorney Jamie Santini said.

The female officer was trying to handcuff Huff after he allegedly crashed his vehicle into a liquor store, walked away and wouldn’t listen to her and her partner’s commands.

The clerk at Roosevelt Liquors called 911 after Huff drove into the building around 10:30 a.m. Wednesday, Santini said.

The officers, who were in a marked squad car, made a U-turn and went toward the scene when they saw Huff acting erratically, Santini said. They told him to stop walking away and come toward them but he ignored them, Santini said.

The female officer eventually went over to Huff and was able to cuff his left wrist. But when she went to his right wrist, he started attacking, Santini said.

Huff first punched the male officer, who ended up deploying his Taser, Santini said. After pulling out the prongs, Huff struggled with the female officer and allegedly knocked her to the ground. Huff ended up on top of the officer and started punching her in the face, Santini said.

The female officer’s partner intervened and got in between her and Huff. He even deployed his Taser again, but Huff continued with the assault against the female officer, Santini said.

By this time, more officers came to the scene and were able to pull Huff of the female officer by his legs. Still Huff held onto her hair, Santini said.

Huff was Tasered a third time as he struggled with the officers, Santini said. One of the other officers ended up getting burned as a result, Santini said.

http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/loca...s-parta-huff-held-without-bond-396405051.html

Mr. P. Huff is apparently a long time PCP user-- here is his mug shot from May 6, 2015, when he was arrested for PCP and reckless conduct.

http://bailbondcity.com/illinois/cook-inmate-HUFF/17043948

 

[katydid23]

I'm not talking about "urban criminals". I would guess they don't trust anybody much. Why are they killing people at an alarming rate in America more so than other countries? Why are most of the worlds prisoners in America? Why are there so many crooked people? Hell, even your only two options for president are crooked people. Why?

I guess we are talking about 2 different things then.

I thought we were talking about the police shootings and why there are so many more of them in the US than in other countries. And I was saying that I think it is because we have a whole lot of armed, violent gang members---and the police are always on guard, expecting someone to pull a gun out of their waistbands and shoot at them. So sometimes they shoot an unarmed suspect if they reach into their pocket or their waistband etc ...

We have a lot of people in prison because we have so many imprisoned for drugs. Maybe the 'war on drugs' was not the best way to try and handle the problem.

Most of the inmates are there because of drug issues. They were selling, importing, manufacturing, using, and/or stealing to be able to feed their habit.

Our Presidential candidates are blowback from our corrupt political system. But I cannot speak about it here because politics is a quick ticket to 'band camp. '

 

[BelleIsle]

This has probably already been said (I am not finished reading but wanted to point this out): I would never expect to be able to pummel and nearly kill someone who was carrying a gun, LEO or civilian, and not get shot. When did it become acceptable to be physically, murderously, violent/aggressive toward another human being and not expect force in return? I am not talking about cases where acceptable force is in question, but cases such as the one in this thread.

ETA This goes for any weapon. A stick, a fist...whatever they had to defend themselves with.

 

[BelleIsle]

The reason you have not seen that is because cops do not wait until being 'severely' beaten to begin shooting.

Darryl Wilson, case in point. Once M Brown punched him in the head, the officer reached for his gun immediately. But you still had many people saying it was unjustified for him to do so. How many blows to the head are sufficient before a cop can justify shooting?

BBM This ^

At what point should this officer have felt it was "safe" for her to use her weapon? Between the 5th and 6th blow to the head? The 7th & 8th? I feel for her, from what I have read it seems that she was holding out as long as she possibly could. But, at what point is her judgement even reliable anymore? After two blows I would have no longer been capable of making rational choices.

If an officer is trying to detain someone, and is assaulted, how many punches does he/she have to take before pulling their weapon out? One, two, three?

Sorry, Katydid, I just saw that you asked nearly the exact same question. I am going to finish the thread before I post again

 

[BelleIsle]

Ahhhh, now we are getting somewhere. Why do you suppose Americans are more likely to be violent criminals who disobey police? Different DNA?

You make so many points in this post that I think are contradictory to your reasoning.

Maybe they just TRUST their police officers to be honest and compassionate human beings?

This thread is sad on so many levels.

RBBM I do think that until our race (the human race) figures out a more holistic way of functioning conflicts like this will continue to be frequent occurrences. I mean from birth, taking different genetics into account as well as the nurture the child receives, the nutrition they have, the kind words spoken to them and gentle comfort shown to them. We need to encourage compassion as much as we encourage academic and monetary accomplishment.

This might seem like a tangent, but it's not. Every time that I come on here and am initially shocked by a topic I soon realize that at some point we have failed miserably as a society. Things should not get to this point, ever. You know that saying that we are only as strong as our weakest link? I believe that. Until we find a way to start over, or to incorporate compassion, selflessness, objectivity, and love into the basic principles with with we educate our children, nothing will improve. Doing it at home is not enough, because for every child you are teaching these values to (in your home) there are 2 more out there who have no one to teach them.

The situation in this thread is messed up. Because I have/had family in law enforcement my opinion is biased, but until we fix the problem at its root I don't know how any of us can see things completely objectively, we are all tainted by our life experience.

In an ideal world this officer would have felt that she could adequately protect herself and not become ostracized because of it. In an ideal world this man would not have been an addict who feels entitled to attempt murder upon an officer who is only trying to protect society from his evils.

Messed up.

 

[K_Z]

Ahhhh, now we are getting somewhere. Why do you suppose Americans are more likely to be violent criminals who disobey police? Different DNA?

You make so many points in this post that I think are contradictory to your reasoning.

Maybe they just TRUST their police officers to be honest and compassionate human beings?

No. Criminality is not the fault of the police for any reason, and certainly not a result of police not being "honest and compassionate human beings." Criminality is not due to a "lack of trust in police." People are criminals because they choose to be criminals. No amount of deflection or excuses for the criminal makes their behavior the fault of the police.

We can debate whether the "cause" of criminality is nature, nurture, or a combination of both, but it's definitely not the fault of the police that criminality exists. Nor is it the responsibility of police officers to "fix" all of the many personal, social, and psychological problems that allow criminality to blossom and flourish.

P. Huffs didn't become a violent drug addict at the age of 28, run a car into the side of a liquor store at 10:30 in the morning, and attack and bash in the heads of 3 police officers, because the police weren't "honest or compassionate enough." HIs lengthy rap sheet is not the fault of the police.

Wouldn't it be nice if there were no criminals? If everyone was law abiding, responsible, and respectful to others? If every citizen took responsibility for their own lives, tried hard in school, held down a job to provide for their needs, practiced responsible child bearing, and attentive child rearing? Then we wouldn't need very much policing at all, right? And in fact, in communities where most of the people do the above things, the communities ARE safe, and don't need many police officers patrolling everywhere. In places where there are a lot of criminals, and a lot of criminal behavior, we have to send a lot of police officers to keep the peace, and arrest the criminals.

I'll say it again: P. Huffs didn't become a violent drug addict at the age of 28, run a car into the side of a liquor store at 10:30 in the morning, and attack and bash in the heads of 3 police officers because the police weren't "honest or compassionate enough." Or because P. Huffs didn't "trust" the police enough.

 

[Dogface]

Something I have questioned since this story broke. If this officer's face and head was banged into the concrete as badly as reported, how was she able to tell her reason for not shooting?

One would expect she may have a concussion, may have needed surgery, or was terribly swollen, bandaged, and sedated. It seems the Superintendent had the reason for her not shooting, immediately.

Just a thought.

I can tell you from my experience of almost being beaten to death, in actually an altercation that sounds similar to hers as far as the physical portion of it, I had to be put into a medically induced coma due to brain swelling, but before then, I had ran to my neighbors, told my neighbors, 911 and LE what had happened despite the severity of the attack, despite multiple face fractures, and swelling that left me unrecognizable.

 

[just the facts pls]

Almost funny how people are doubting the cops version of events and what her thoughts were at the time, yet every eye witness in cases where officers shoot someone are some how credible.

I imagine she had the thought to not use her gun BEFORE she was attacked in such a vicious manner. And that almost cost her her own life. Little did she know that fear of hers, and her hesitation, would result in her head being pounded into the concrete by a criminal high on drugs.

But yes, let's doubt the credibility of this woman who almost died protecting and serving her local citizens.

This is just insult to injury, IMO. It's like people are saying that if they can't argue FOR the brutal beating and/or subsequent death of this police officer, that they'll just call her a liar instead.

Then we are told that SHE should have exercised compassion to someone who almost killed her? Really? If the roles were reversed such a request would be an outrage.

 

[just the facts pls]

No. Criminality is not the fault of the police for any reason, and certainly not a result of police not being "honest and compassionate human beings." Criminality is not due to a "lack of trust in police." People are criminals because they choose to be criminals. No amount of deflection or excuses for the criminal makes their behavior the fault of the police.

We can debate whether the "cause" of criminality is nature, nurture, or a combination of both, but it's definitely not the fault of the police that criminality exists. Nor is it the responsibility of police officers to "fix" all of the many personal, social, and psychological problems that allow criminality to blossom and flourish.

P. Huffs didn't become a violent drug addict at the age of 28, run a car into the side of a liquor store at 10:30 in the morning, and attack and bash in the heads of 3 police officers, because the police weren't "honest or compassionate enough." HIs lengthy rap sheet is not the fault of the police.

Wouldn't it be nice if there were no criminals? If everyone was law abiding, responsible, and respectful to others? If every citizen took responsibility for their own lives, tried hard in school, held down a job to provide for their needs, practiced responsible child bearing, and attentive child rearing? Then we wouldn't need very much policing at all, right? And in fact, in communities where most of the people do the above things, the communities ARE safe, and don't need many police officers patrolling everywhere. In places where there are a lot of criminals, and a lot of criminal behavior, we have to send a lot of police officers to keep the peace, and arrest the criminals.

I'll say it again: P. Huffs didn't become a violent drug addict at the age of 28, run a car into the side of a liquor store at 10:30 in the morning, and attack and bash in the heads of 3 police officers because the police weren't "honest or compassionate enough." Or because P. Huffs didn't "trust" the police enough.

Thank you. People don't seem to understand that the only way to prevent crime is for criminals to stop choosing to commit the crime. A lot of people boo me when I say this, but a crime can only happen when someone chooses to go out of their way to commit one. It's not up to victims to prevent crimes and it's not up to cops to teach people how to behave in a civilized manner. It's up to criminals to stop committing crime and if they can't or won't do so, then the cops will be there to enforce the law. That is their job. They are not lawyers or psychiatrists.

It's also worth bearing in mind that it doesn't cost anyone anything to simply refrain from acting out violently. Nobody "has to" punch anyone or otherwise act like an uncivilized jacka**. I'm tired of the excuses about poverty, mental illness, ect when there are poor people that struggle every day with mental illness without going out of their way to treat another human being like garbage. When you are an adult you are responsible for your behavior, full stop and end of discussion. Everyone has struggles and nobody is 100% satisfied with their life. Acting out and making everyone else miserable isn't solving anything.

 

[rob]

Thank you, justthefacts. It's a sad day when people take up for the offender and not the LE officer who was beaten for doing their job. I think the cop should have pulled out her gun and given the perp what he was asking for by his own actions.
I know in this 'nobody can be held accountable' world, that's not PC. Well I say screw PC and if the behavior calls for it, blow him away. One less on the streets to deal with.

I should have never come to this thread to read, and I won't be back. Feel free to delete.
All MOO only

 

[human]

I am NOT taking up for the offender, but I cannot understand why the other officer was close enough and accurate enough to taze him but not shoot him in an arm or leg. The officer watched his partner get beaten but only tazed him.

People are saying that shooting is to kill. Tazing was chosen over shooting in an extremity. The officer was close enough to taze.

Other countries do not have these issues and reflecting on the reason may save police lives. But people are not willing to save police lives. People in other countries have the access to drugs, have gangs, bad parenting, etc. But they do not have easy access to what the US has that kills police. Until the US is willing to address the real problem, all this outrage at violence to police is crocodile tears as far as I am concerned

 

[CoolJ]

I am NOT taking up for the offender, but I cannot understand why the other officer was close enough and accurate enough to taze him but not shoot him in an arm or leg. The officer watched his partner get beaten but only tazed him.

People are saying that shooting is to kill. Tazing was chosen over shooting in an extremity. The officer was close enough to taze.

Other countries do not have these issues and reflecting on the reason may save police lives. But people are not willing to save police lives. People in other countries have the access to drugs, have gangs, bad parenting, etc. But they do not have easy access to what the US has that kills police. Until the US is willing to address the real problem, all this outrage at violence to police is crocodile tears as far as I am concerned

Drugs and guns. That is what America has in excess compared to other countries. It's plain to me to see where the root cause of problems are. But those elected into positions of power would rather spend trillions on world domination and the slaughter of innocents than address any of these issues that rake in even more trillions.
But how can you make any change if your only options to elect somebody new into power are criminals themselves? See how that works?
The problem is not in the ghettos. The ghettos are just a symptom of the problem. JMO

 

[drjones]

I am NOT taking up for the offender, but I cannot understand why the other officer was close enough and accurate enough to taze him but not shoot him in an arm or leg. The officer watched his partner get beaten but only tazed him.

People are saying that shooting is to kill. Tazing was chosen over shooting in an extremity. The officer was close enough to taze.

Other countries do not have these issues and reflecting on the reason may save police lives. But people are not willing to save police lives. People in other countries have the access to drugs, have gangs, bad parenting, etc. But they do not have easy access to what the US has that kills police. Until the US is willing to address the real problem, all this outrage at violence to police is crocodile tears as far as I am concerned

am i having deja vu or have you posted this several times and received replies?

shooting in the arm or leg is never an option. it is not something the officer would have ever considered, so it really has no place in the discussion.

tazing was not chosen over shooting in an extremity, shooting in an extremity was never an option.

 

[human]

am i having deja vu or have you posted this several times and received replies?

shooting in the arm or leg is never an option. it is not something the officer would have ever considered, so it really has no place in the discussion.

tazing was not chosen over shooting in an extremity, shooting in an extremity was never an option.

Yup. Sorry, but I do not get it. Officers are watching her get beaten. Close enough and accurate enoug to taze. Only in America then they must shoot to kill but can taze but not shoot an extremity. The absurdity simply cannot be understood by me.

 

[human]

Drugs and guns. That is what America has in excess compared to other countries. It's plain to me to see where the root cause of problems are. But those elected into positions of power would rather spend trillions on world domination and the slaughter of innocents than address any of these issues that rake in even more trillions.
But how can you make any change if your only options to elect somebody new into power are criminals themselves? See how that works?
The problem is not in the ghettos. The ghettos are just a symptom of the problem. JMO

Drugs are a problem all over the world. Govts have criminals in charge all over the world . England and France have ghettos.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

I am NOT taking up for the offender, but I cannot understand why the other officer was close enough and accurate enough to taze him but not shoot him in an arm or leg. The officer watched his partner get beaten but only tazed him.

People are saying that shooting is to kill. Tazing was chosen over shooting in an extremity. The officer was close enough to taze.

Other countries do not have these issues and reflecting on the reason may save police lives. But people are not willing to save police lives. People in other countries have the access to drugs, have gangs, bad parenting, etc. But they do not have easy access to what the US has that kills police. Until the US is willing to address the real problem, all this outrage at violence to police is crocodile tears as far as I am concerned

Again, as posted many times, her partner did not just taze him. He was punched first, struggled with the criminal, suffered a concussion, a broken thumb, pulled muscle....
He was also hospitalized.

Please stop implying that he just stood there, watched, and tazed.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Yup. Sorry, but I do not get it. Officers are watching her get beaten. Close enough and accurate enoug to taze. Only in America then they must shoot to kill but can taze but not shoot an extremity. The absurdity simply cannot be understood by me.

Officers were not watching her get beaten. They all struggled with him.
Please stop saying that. It's not factual.

 

[bluesneakers]

Drugs and guns. That is what America has in excess compared to other countries. It's plain to me to see where the root cause of problems are. But those elected into positions of power would rather spend trillions on world domination and the slaughter of innocents than address any of these issues that rake in even more trillions.
But how can you make any change if your only options to elect somebody new into power are criminals themselves? See how that works?
The problem is not in the ghettos. The ghettos are just a symptom of the problem. JMO

Drugs and guns, and injustice and racism.