IL - Child, 9, charged in fire deaths of 5 people, Goodfield, 6 Apr 2019

[MistyM]

this boy should be in a psychiatric hospital, not staying with distant relatives or foster care. this is crazy to me!! he needs mental help, he's a child!

 

[claudianunes]

this boy should be in a psychiatric hospital, not staying with distant relatives or foster care. this is crazy to me!! he needs mental help, he's a child!

I mean, I don't know about a psychiatric hospital. That's a pretty heavy environment. I am no doctor, but the kid seems "normal", functional. He needs therapy and help on many levels. But he also needs to go to school, and to have a somewhat normal life if we want him to recover and be rehabilitated. A psychiatric hospital should be a last resort. But then again, I am no doctor. If it ever comes to the point that he is a risk to himself and those around him, sure. But this situation, while tragic and scary, does seem like a mistake and not something planned with evil intentions. And I say this without having any real details about how he did it and why he did it. I am very interested about how LE got to the conclusion that it was Kyle and not someone else.

 

[Kittybunny]

I mean, I don't know about a psychiatric hospital. That's a pretty heavy environment. I am no doctor, but the kid seems "normal", functional. He needs therapy and help on many levels. But he also needs to go to school, and to have a somewhat normal life if we want him to recover and be rehabilitated. A psychiatric hospital should be a last resort. But then again, I am no doctor. If it ever comes to the point that he is a risk to himself and those around him, sure. But this situation, while tragic and scary, does seem like a mistake and not something planned with evil intentions. And I say this without having any real details about how he did it and why he did it. I am very interested about how LE got to the conclusion that it was Kyle and not someone else.

I continue to struggle with this as well. Not only did they charge him with starting the fire which could be negligent homicide, there seems to be a charge covering intent - that he did this with the specific intent to kill. It's unbelieveable really. In my mind, there are two possibilities:

1. He confessed AND there was corroborating evidence. I did note that it seemed he was first out of the house right and went to grandma's? What did he say when he got there?
2. He video'd himself doing it.

Since I'm still casting a strong suspicious side-eye to the "mother", I pray that LE did their due diligence on her.

 

[Niner]

Update in red

Monday, October 21st:
*Hearing (@ am CT) - IL – Ariel Wall (1), Daemeon Wall (2), Rose Alwood (2), Jason Wall (34) & Kathryn Murray (69) (April 6, 2019, Timberline Mobile Home Park, Goodfield) - *Kyle Alwood (9) charged (10/7/19) with 5 counts of murder, 2 counts of arson & 1 count of aggravated arson. The aggravated arson charge is based on the conclusion that the child knew people were in the home at the time the fire was started.
The suspect, if convicted, could be put on probation for at least 5 years, but not beyond the age of 21, and could be eligible to receive therapy & counseling. Prison time is not an option. If the juvenile is under 12 years old, police can only hold him or her for 6 hours, and an attorney will be appointed for the child and the verdict & possible sentence would be decided by a judge (bench trial).
Kathryn Murray is his great-grandmother, Jason Wall is the stepfather, Ariel & Daemeon are his siblings, and Rose is his cousin. The other person who survived was his mom, Katrina Alwood (27). Mom says Kyle was recently diagnosed with schizophrenia, ADHD and bipolar disorder, and showed interest in fire and lighters.
10/21/19 Update: Hearing to be held behind closed doors. Katrina subpoenaed to attend & gag order placed on her. Charges were read. Kyle did not understand the words "alleged", "arson" or "resident" when Judge read the charges. Next hearing is on 11/22.

 

[MistyM]

I mean, I don't know about a psychiatric hospital. That's a pretty heavy environment. I am no doctor, but the kid seems "normal", functional. He needs therapy and help on many levels. But he also needs to go to school, and to have a somewhat normal life if we want him to recover and be rehabilitated. A psychiatric hospital should be a last resort. But then again, I am no doctor. If it ever comes to the point that he is a risk to himself and those around him, sure. But this situation, while tragic and scary, does seem like a mistake and not something planned with evil intentions. And I say this without having any real details about how he did it and why he did it. I am very interested about how LE got to the conclusion that it was Kyle and not someone else.

i'm just saying, i would rather see him get the mental help he needs than to punish him with no rehabilitation (jail, prison, juvy). if he is down for 1st degree, and this is true, this child should be carefully observed. an accident is another story. intent to kill is not good.

 

[catcher t]

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A 9-year-old child accused of causing a mobile home fire that killed three children and two adults in central Illinois has been charged with five counts of first-degree murder.

The juvenile also was charged with two counts of arson and one count of aggravated arson, the (Peoria) Journal Star reported.

The April 6 fire killed a 1-year-old, two 2-year-olds, a 34-year-old man and a 69-year-old woman at the Timberline Mobile Home Park near the village of Goodfield, about 150 miles (240 kilometers) southwest of Chicago.

No child as young as this one has been accused in a mass killing since at least 2006, according to the AP/USATODAY/Northeastern University mass murder database. It tracks all U.S. homicides since then in which four or more people were killed (not including the offender) over a short period of time (24 hours), regardless of weapon, location, victim-offender relationship or motive.

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I'm having severe issues with charging a 9 year old, and that he could remain in state custody from ward of the state to juvenile detention to adult prison, I don't get charging basically a baby that doesn't even understand most the words the judge is using, this case sickens me

 

[claudianunes]

Update in red

Monday, October 21st:
*Hearing (@ am CT) - IL – Ariel Wall (1), Daemeon Wall (2), Rose Alwood (2), Jason Wall (34) & Kathryn Murray (69) (April 6, 2019, Timberline Mobile Home Park, Goodfield) - *Kyle Alwood (9) charged (10/7/19) with 5 counts of murder, 2 counts of arson & 1 count of aggravated arson. The aggravated arson charge is based on the conclusion that the child knew people were in the home at the time the fire was started.
The suspect, if convicted, could be put on probation for at least 5 years, but not beyond the age of 21, and could be eligible to receive therapy & counseling. Prison time is not an option. If the juvenile is under 12 years old, police can only hold him or her for 6 hours, and an attorney will be appointed for the child and the verdict & possible sentence would be decided by a judge (bench trial).
Kathryn Murray is his great-grandmother, Jason Wall is the stepfather, Ariel & Daemeon are his siblings, and Rose is his cousin. The other person who survived was his mom, Katrina Alwood (27). Mom says Kyle was recently diagnosed with schizophrenia, ADHD and bipolar disorder, and showed interest in fire and lighters.
10/21/19 Update: Hearing to be held behind closed doors. Katrina subpoenaed to attend & gag order placed on her. Charges were read. Kyle did not understand the words "alleged", "arson" or "resident" when Judge read the charges. Next hearing is on 11/22.

Did not understand the words "alleged", "arson" and "resident". Pretty sure the kid doesn't understand what's really going on, I hope someone is really helping him understand everything and why he's there. He's just a kid and this just shows it.

 

[jjenny]

i'm just saying, i would rather see him get the mental help he needs than to punish him with no rehabilitation (jail, prison, juvy). if he is down for 1st degree, and this is true, this child should be carefully observed. an accident is another story. intent to kill is not good.

It's already been made clear that because of his age he can't go go jail or prison.

 

[cherrymeg]

It's already been made clear that because of his age he can't go go jail or prison.

If they put him in a psych ward he could be denied even more freedoms. I don't think he did this at all but if he did or if he admitted to it, it was a cover for or at the request of someone else.

 

[Karma1979aussie]

What's really strange is four videos uploaded the day after the fire, April 10, 2019, where KA and his mom look perfectly fine, like nothing happened. KA and a girl pretend to be news reporters and show the burned house and ask for likes on their Youtube channel. One says "if you're sad for us, subscribe. You can see our address and come see the fire."

I was 100% behind something really nefarious going on in that house and either KA acting out to hurt his abuser and accidentally hurting other people, or someone else being behind the actual fire and KA taking the blame for it (a la munchausen by proxy).

But what if they meant to set the fire as a prank for Youtube? Recorded it like a shock video? The way KA and the little girl are narrating and saying they are news anchors showing the house ONE DAY after the crime occurred... doesn't seem like they're surprised? There is a lot of shocking stuff on YouTube. Both genuine fire/rescue/911 type videos and also kids and young adults performing ridiculous pranks that can seem real (or are real).

In the April 10 video, where the kids show the house roped off, it's not completely burned down. A lot of the house is standing. Why couldn't JW get out? This is a 34 year old man who couldn't walk 15 feet across a small trailer or bust out a window? Was he passed out or locked in somewhere? I completely understand how an elderly woman and three babies couldn't escape. But why could KA and KA escape completely unharmed, not a hair burned or one scrape, but JW is dead from smoke inhalation? I am no expert but I was reading studies on smoke inhalation today and everything said it takes between 2 minutes (close proximity to a fire and a compromised person) to 20 minutes to actually die of it. This wasn't a 10 story office building burning, it was a tiny trailer that's only half burned in the pictures. What really happened?

I'm new here, I just found out about this case and at first I kinda was like "wtf this kids phsyco". But the more I looked into it, found his YouTube accounts(multiple) the more I honestly believe this kid didn't intentionally ... maybe didn't do this fire at all. This woman is a lazy no good freak of a mother that repulses me to the core.
Lieing to Jason to get kyle in to trouble, screaming as she demands ppl wait on her every whim, out all over the place, (second YouTube account she doesn't even have a top on), even the way Jason treats kyle and the babies, ignoring kyle when Kyle's asking his "daddy", something, the kid even flinched in some cases when asking, yet he still shows him respect.
This kid adores his "daddy", siblings, mama, and cousin to bits. If he was doing it for youtubing status than the whole thing would have gone online and viral.
Alethea, I fully agree with alot of what your saying, there is something fishy going on here.

I read it was the mum that identified kyle as killing the family, even offering information as the his mental illnesses and fire lighting.... 8-9 year old boys test boundaries, they play with fire and lighters, they block TOILETS and play with things they shouldn't, it's perfectly normal.
What I want to know is where did his dog blue go? No mention of him yet he had him days b4 the fire, did they punish him and take it away? I didn't see him miss handle the puppy at all and showed his joy for having blue, he didn't video anything destructive on YouTube he just played with his family and messed around on there.
The "news" video the kids did just shows them dissasocieting from the fire, it sounds like they haven't been told everything as Caitlin says "the parents were trying to safe their children", as if she didn't know it was so direct.

Katie's actions (or lack of) speaks volumes, her demeanor days after the fire, talking about hating Jason if he didn't stay with the babies (to which kyle stops dead in his tracks in the video and seems to lose himself for a moment when she says this in the background of the video). She speaks of rose and how Jason swore he would never leave her, then giggling as she says "well now they can't be separated ever", I never hear her after the fire in these videos talking about Ariel and daemon, doesn't this seem odd?

Kyle came from being number one to being in a fully decked out family and a lazy arse mum, I wouldn't be surprised if he did do it, but my butt tells me that she's got something to do with this, he adored them all and didn't video any of it... She would have to have been near front door to escape unscathed cos that woman can't move fast to safe her own kids or her life, she done something and I really hope it's investigated fully, I contacted greg Minger and emailed the YouTube account(only one as I didn't find second one till later), and told him to fight for this child.. I did this email about 1230am this morning and at 810am this morning I found his YouTube has become private, so either mums been told to shut it down or Minger is looking more into it... and more into katie

 

[squareandrabbet]

The more I think about it, the more my problem is, I doubt that a 9-year-old has a full understanding of the scientific behavior and principles of fire. I feel like I had a good understanding by my teens because of having watched Backdraft in the theatres (I lol, but not really, because it was super effective and succinctly explained); but I'm not shocked if a 9-year-old doesn't understand how and how quickly that fire spreads and can engulf an area. Heck, lots of presumably sentient adults don't understand the dangers of fireworks, or think they would never be injured in a firework accident.

 

[claudianunes]

If Kyle really did this, I don't believe he actually knew what could happen. I don't believe he wanted to hurt or kill anyone.

 

[cherrymeg]

The more I think about it, the more my problem is, I doubt that a 9-year-old has a full understanding of the scientific behavior and principles of fire. I feel like I had a good understanding by my teens because of having watched Backdraft in the theatres (I lol, but not really, because it was super effective and succinctly explained); but I'm not shocked if a 9-year-old doesn't understand how and how quickly that fire spreads and can engulf an area. Heck, lots of presumably sentient adults don't understand the dangers of fireworks, or think they would never be injured in a firework accident.

The mom's account/s of what happened don't add up for me. Smoke inhalation isn't something kids would think of, even adults might not understand how dangerous it can be. You think you have more time to save people in a bedroom especially if you send your son ahead for help. MOO

 

[Karma1979aussie]

I don't think she did send him for help, she says she stood by a window and "spoke" to them as they died... ever stand too close to a furnace going out of control?!?!
And who would speak when their family is burning alive screaming... I know I wouldn't be

 

[Karma1979aussie]

I think I up
Prosecutors in Illinois charge nine-year-old with murder after mobile home fire claims the lives of five family members

I showed the YouTube to Minger, he got it turned to private, he sounds twisted and I think I helped him in adding numbers to his attack on kids criminals, "finality", this doesn't sound like someone think of the best interest of kyle

 

[Karma1979aussie]

Kyle alwood

kyle Alwood

Funny how all the incriminating videos that show her in a bad light

 

[Karma1979aussie]

Can someone explain to me how the cornaner has the experiance to decide whether or not the fire was deliberately lit or not??
Authorities: Deadly Illinois trailer fire intentionally set

He rules the deaths inhalation yet changed it to homicide .... because he ruled the fire deliberately lit.... is the coranor also the fire Marshall over there?

I'm confused .... am I missing something?

 

[cherrymeg]

I don't think she did send him for help, she says she stood by a window and "spoke" to them as they died... ever stand too close to a furnace going out of control?!?!
And who would speak when their family is burning alive screaming... I know I wouldn't be

I thought her two kids died of smoke inhalation while they slept. If your kids are on fire and screaming most people would do whatever to help them even if they died too. Her stories are crazy and make zero sense. Hopefully they do thorough autopsies on the grandmother and the two youngest kids.

 

[cherrymeg]

Can someone explain to me how the cornaner has the experiance to decide whether or not the fire was deliberately lit or not??
Authorities: Deadly Illinois trailer fire intentionally set

He rules the deaths inhalation yet changed it to homicide .... because he ruled the fire deliberately lit.... is the coranor also the fire Marshall over there?

I'm confused .... am I missing something?

Is the coroner elected like in some states? Certain places a medical degree isn't needed to be the coroner. I don't know if that means you can do autopsies with zero training - hopefully not. It might mean you're just in charge of the coroners office and selecting people that are qualified or your semi qualified friends to carry out medical and legal matters? I think it varies from state to state. The coroner's office is sometimes in charge of deciding if something is a crime. I wonder what the fire marshall thought when seeing the scene at first.

 

[cherrymeg]

Kyle alwood

kyle Alwood

Funny how all the incriminating videos that show her in a bad light

The one video it's hard to tell where he might be inside a couch. He has a at least one cut on his foot. He is a cute kid.