IL - Child, 9, charged in fire deaths of 5 people, Goodfield, 6 Apr 2019

[gitana1]

I'm catching up with you viewing videos. Kyle has 2 accounts on youtube so I just found the ones you were talking about.
Awful...just can't imagine living with those people! Look at how this woman talks...disgusting!

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About her toddler son’s anatomy. And calling her young son the B word. What kind of life is that?

 

[borndem]

I'm catching up with you viewing videos. Kyle has 2 accounts on youtube so I just found the ones you were talking about.
Awful...just can't imagine living with those people! Look at how this woman talks...disgusting!

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Heyell, listening to her screaming and carrying-on, I would want to find something to burn down. Not really, but I'd have to go out in the yard and scream. Or scram.
Every day? Every night? Omigosh, please no.

 

[Icenigal]

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[gitana1]

How do they help the kid? Not that he actually needs help, again, the worst he is facing is probation. They can't do nothing to him because of his age.

They’re protecting him. They don’t want this following him the rest of his life.

The “worst” they can do may be probation but terms of probation can include residential treatment and continuous counseling.

Even if he’s a little psychopath in the making I’m not in favor of a child who has just been out of the womb for less than a decade being treated like an adult. It’s ridiculous IMO. Oh such a kid definitely scares the hell out of me but there’s hope with children still. And he lacks the cognitive ability to form the kind of malicious intent the law requires to punish a criminal. Even if he intended to kill his whole family. Because his cognitive abilities aren’t there.

My hope is he is placed in residential treatment until he’s 15 or so and then is given intensive outpatient treatment and monitoring until age 18.

 

[cherrymeg]

Yes. Children can be and are hospitalized in this country for mental health issues.

They can also be sent to rehabilitative facilities.

Mental health laws can leave people without a solid release date. Does anyone know what kind of facility he could end up in and what the laws are on keeping him there?

 

[cherrymeg]

They’re protecting him. They don’t want this following him the rest of his life.

The “worst” they can do may be probation but terms of probation can include residential treatment and continuous counseling.

Even if he’s a little psychopath in the making I’m not in favor of a child who has just been out of the womb for less than a decade being treated like an adult. It’s ridiculous IMO. Oh such a kid definitely scares the hell out of me but there’s hope with children still. And he lacks the cognitive ability to form the kind of malicious intent the law requires to punish a criminal. Even if he intended to kill his whole family. Because his cognitive abilities aren’t there.

My hope is he is placed in residential treatment until he’s 15 or so and then is given intensive outpatient treatment and monitoring until age 18.

I think if he is with stable people he'll be fine. He needs counseling with parents like his and siblings dying in a fire he may or may not have started, therapy can't hurt.

 

[katydid23]

If he was planning to kill his family, why not wait until everyone was asleep? Even 9 yr olds know how to sneak around.

 

[Suglo]

DBM

 

[cherrymeg]

I hate the way the stories are changing so much. Something very hinky with that. Mom was so exacting and detailed with the first story I read, where she smelled something chemical in the air, stepped into the hallway, and met top with her fiancé, then BOOM, the furnace exploded.

And he dragged her out the door to safety and went back inside for the kids...

And it had always seemed odd there was screaming inside, for awhile before they all died---why couldn't they get out during the screaming time? Couldn't someone have broken a window and had the babies passed through to them? The trailer was not totally burned out. This is confusing.

Did neighbors say screaming? Could it have been the mom outside?

 

[jjenny]

If he was planning to kill his family, why not wait until everyone was asleep? Even 9 yr olds know how to sneak around.

Well, per the latest article, everybody else was asleep except the mom.

 

[jjenny]

They’re protecting him. They don’t want this following him the rest of his life.

The “worst” they can do may be probation but terms of probation can include residential treatment and continuous counseling.

Even if he’s a little psychopath in the making I’m not in favor of a child who has just been out of the womb for less than a decade being treated like an adult. It’s ridiculous IMO. Oh such a kid definitely scares the hell out of me but there’s hope with children still. And he lacks the cognitive ability to form the kind of malicious intent the law requires to punish a criminal. Even if he intended to kill his whole family. Because his cognitive abilities aren’t there.

My hope is he is placed in residential treatment until he’s 15 or so and then is given intensive outpatient treatment and monitoring until age 18.

You can't unring the bell. And it sounds like the kid could use residential treatment and continuous counseling.

 

[cherrymeg]

Well the earlier article posted on this thread somewhere claimed JW did get out, then went back in to get the children and died. But the story seems to be changing (the latest article claimed everyone else but the mother (and presumably Kyle) were sleeping so JW and the rest didn't get out because they were sleeping) so I don't know anymore.

Didn't the mom claim he got her out maybe even revived her and went back in. She mentioned a fireball or explosion separating her from Rosie the two year old niece. I think she claimed to hear him say I have the baby referring to the niece. I'm going to look for that article or news report.

 

[jjenny]

Didn't the mom claim he got her out maybe even revived her and went back in. She mentioned a fireball or explosion separating her from Rosie the two year old niece. I think she claimed to hear him say I have the baby referring to the niece. I'm going to look for that article or news report.

The article has been posted numerous times on this thread.

 

[iamthewalrus]

This mother notwithstanding--- I am not convinced that Kyle suffered from everything she says he does.

Exactly what I was thinking. Sounds like mom is making up her own stories. Looking at her other internet posts, she is not right...MOO

 

[cherrymeg]

The article has been posted numerous times on this thread.

I just want wanted to make sure I wasn't misquoting or mixing articles up.
Luciano: Mom recalls Goodfield inferno that killed five loved ones

 

[tabitha111]

Mom said she stood by the Windows hearing their screams...She said this on video aired on CBS

 

[mickey2942]

Mental health laws can leave people without a solid release date. Does anyone know what kind of facility he could end up in and what the laws are on keeping him there?

He could end up in a residential treatment facility, not unlike the Black Hills School that Serenity Dennard ran away from. The treatment team decides when he is "healthy" enough to leave.

The conflict of interest issue that is the giant pink elephant in the room, is that the "treatment team" who decides if kids are healthy enough to leave, are the same people who get paid and are employees of the facility or even have financial interest in the facility.

I wouldn't want people who have a financial gain deciding whether or not I have to stay at a mental institution. Just saying.

 

[cherrymeg]

He could end up in a residential treatment facility, not unlike the Black Hills School that Serenity Dennard ran away from. The treatment team decides when he is "healthy" enough to leave.

The conflict of interest issue that is the giant pink elephant in the room, is that the "treatment team" who decides if kids are healthy enough to leave, are the same people who get paid and are employees of the facility or even have financial interest in the facility.

I wouldn't want people who have a financial gain deciding whether or not I have to stay at a mental institution. Just saying.

That seems like a conflict of interest. Some states can use laws to keep people in an institution with the say so of a doctor. I've heard of this being used to keep pedophiles locked up after they have been in jail. It may not be ethical but most people feel safer unfortunately this same practice can be used on anyone. Add a financial incentive and getting out of a mental hospital or treatment facility might be harder than getting out of jail.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

What's really strange is four videos uploaded the day after the fire, April 10, 2019, where KA and his mom look perfectly fine, like nothing happened. KA and a girl pretend to be news reporters and show the burned house and ask for likes on their Youtube channel. One says "if you're sad for us, subscribe. You can see our address and come see the fire."

I was 100% behind something really nefarious going on in that house and either KA acting out to hurt his abuser and accidentally hurting other people, or someone else being behind the actual fire and KA taking the blame for it (a la munchausen by proxy).

But what if they meant to set the fire as a prank for Youtube? Recorded it like a shock video? The way KA and the little girl are narrating and saying they are news anchors showing the house ONE DAY after the crime occurred... doesn't seem like they're surprised? There is a lot of shocking stuff on YouTube. Both genuine fire/rescue/911 type videos and also kids and young adults performing ridiculous pranks that can seem real (or are real).

In the April 10 video, where the kids show the house roped off, it's not completely burned down. A lot of the house is standing. Why couldn't JW get out? This is a 34 year old man who couldn't walk 15 feet across a small trailer or bust out a window? Was he passed out or locked in somewhere? I completely understand how an elderly woman and three babies couldn't escape. But why could KA and KA escape completely unharmed, not a hair burned or one scrape, but JW is dead from smoke inhalation? I am no expert but I was reading studies on smoke inhalation today and everything said it takes between 2 minutes (close proximity to a fire and a compromised person) to 20 minutes to actually die of it. This wasn't a 10 story office building burning, it was a tiny trailer that's only half burned in the pictures. What really happened?

@Alethea you and I are on the same wave length. I have a 12 yr old TikTok pro living with me. I’m very familiar.

 

[mickey2942]

@Alethea you and I are on the same wave length. I have a 12 yr old TikTok pro living with me. I’m very familiar.

A man who drank alot of alcohol would be passed out by 11PM. And I find it unusual, that a man would walk out of a burning trailer, deposit his GF outside, and run back in for children. A more likely scenario would be that both parents searched for children in the trailer before exiting out the rear door.

But, that is my opinion. FWIW.