IL - Child, 9, charged in fire deaths of 5 people, Goodfield, 6 Apr 2019

[borndem]

I am not convinced that 'mom' didn't do it , or "encouraged" Kyle.
Her stories are so wacky.
MOO

I've considered the same -- "Let's play a trick on 'dad' -- it'll be fun and it won't hurt anybody."

 

[imstilla.grandma]

States without once an adult/always an adult provisions:Illinois
Trying Juveniles as Adults in Criminal Court: An Analysis of State Transfer Provisions

States without reverse waivers:Illinois
Trying Juveniles as Adults in Criminal Court: An Analysis of State Transfer Provisions

Waiver2 and exclusion:Illinois
Trying Juveniles as Adults in Criminal Court: An Analysis of State Transfer Provisions
*How/why & do/could these apply to this 9 year old ?
*Smarter than a 5th grader?

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Could be she was raised this way, but that doesnt make it ok. Once you reproduce, you have a personal responsibility to the children to raise them. I was one of 5 kids and my mom always said we were poor but we were clean. I was blessed to have her.

I, the oldest of six, always heard Mama say: “We may not have much but everybody can afford a bar of soap.” Daddy used to tell her: “Bye, I’m going to work. Gotta keep us out of the poor house.”

I was always a little afraid of that poor house. I imagined a dark cave with people just standing against the walls. Hungry. And wet. idk. Funny how a little kid’s mind works. Many years down the road, I realized: ‘We were poor’. Until then, I didn’t even know it. Job well done~Mama & Daddy

 

[tabitha111]

Didn't she say on one of the videos that she took away the one thing that made her kids happy? And then was laughing about how Jason always wanted to be with his little girl and now he would never be away from her?

 

[cherrymeg]

Didn't she say on one of the videos that she took away the one thing that made her kids happy? And then was laughing about how Jason always wanted to be with his little girl and now he would never be away from her?

It sounded like that.

 

[Safeguard]

Again, this is not nice to say,

If we were to obide by the adage, "if you can't say something nice , don't say anything ". This would be a dead thread.

Honestly, about the nicest thing I can come up with is:

These two "parents" make me want to reconsider my revulsion to forced sterilization.

That said some of the things I don't question :

Why Mom got dressed. It's doesn't seem that big a point to ponder to me. The woman didn't have an elaborate wardrobe. She smelled something, threw on a moo-moo, or Stretch pants and an ill fiting tee, and went to investigate, the explosion knocked her down, boyfriend escorted her out.

Could be true, and I don't see how running nude checking out an oder would be "reasonable", I doubt she had time to save others, that she squandered getting "dressed".
(How she behaved once outside is troubling to me though).


Also, Rosie having a a sleep over... My little Nieces and Nephews slept over my, or one of my sibings houses, all the time when they were small.

That said, I can't imagined any child having to spend time, (never mind a lifetime!) in such emotional and intellectual poverty. Uhg.

If Kyle had all these disorders, surely mom was diagnosed with something, wonder if she was on any meds...

The woman looked like breathing was too much of an exertion.

I am feeling very blessed about my life tonight!

 

[SandyQLS]

I don’t know if I’m allowed to post the YouTube video as there are two children in it.

From KA’s YouTube video from April 10, 2019–

The two children are dancing and talking, but listen to the conversation his mother is having in the back.

Here’s what I caught. (Please add or make corrections):

Mom:
-You know, the day before Rosie passed away...(unintelligible)

-I went to go out and buy outfits for them. Put them in underwear, all of them....and the pull-ups became one with them. Poor Rose.

-Her and Jason became one person. Together. He always said: “I will be part of her life, no matter what.” And he kept his promise! (Laughter). Because no matter what, now they can’t be separated! (Laughter).

-(Sad tone) I feel like I robbed my family of the only person that ever made them happy.

Woman talking to mom:

-...I think if he would have survived...


Mom:

-...I think I would have hated him. I didn’t want him to die.

-If he realized he was dying and got out, I would have been okay with that. Because I don’t think I could handle the kids being alone. And he knew how afraid of dying I was. He knew I was afraid of dying. And he wasn’t...(unintelligible)

-I figured it wouldn’t have been me...

—————

Bumping this excellent transcription of the Mom's conversation in the background of one of Kyle's videos. It could be the most important post in the thread, from page 15. What Mom is saying is... surprising...

This is his channel - it's the video April 10, 2019, run time 2:19

kyle Alwood

 

[Alethea]

Bumping this excellent transcription of the Mom's conversation in the background of one of Kyle's videos. It could be the most important post in the thread, from page 15. What Mom is saying is... surprising...

This is his channel - it's the video April 10, 2019, run time 2:19

kyle Alwood

The transcript makes it sound like she wanted her children to die and one of the parents had to go with them.

Also, is Jason Rose’s father too?

 

[cherrymeg]

The transcript makes it sound like she wanted her children to die and one of the parents had to go with them.

Also, is Jason Rose’s father too?

I was wondering about that too.

 

[enelram]

ADHD meds have been given to kids for awhile. The medications for schizophrenia and bipolar are pretty serious especially for a kid.

Haven't researched this myself yet, but maybe someone here knows:
On another discussion site someone familiar
with these diagnoses said it's highly unlikely
that this boy had both schizo and BP because
one is caused by too much dopamine and the
other by too little dopamine in the brain.
Anyone here know?

 

[jjenny]

Haven't researched this myself yet, but maybe someone here knows:
On another discussion site someone familiar
with these diagnoses said it's highly unlikely
that this boy had both schizo and BP because
one is caused by too much dopamine and the
other by too little dopamine in the brain.
Anyone here know?

He might have been diagnosed with schizoaffective disorder which has symptoms of both bipolar and schizophrenia. That would be my guess. Articles seem to say he was diagnosed with a "form of schizophrenia." Schizoaffective disorder is a combination of both bipolar and schizophrenia. So I wouldn't agree it's highly unlikely to have both conditions. Now, I don't know if he was actually diagnosed, but it is possibly in theory. Seems that 9 would be very early for diagnosis, it usually begins in late teens.

"Schizoaffective disorder is a chronic mental health condition that involves symptoms of both schizophrenia and a mood disorder like major depressive disorder or bipolar disorder. In fact, many people with schizophrenia are incorrectly diagnosed at first with depression or bipolar disorder."
https://www.webmd.com/schizophrenia/guide/mental-health-schizoaffective-disorder#1

 

[jjenny]

I was wondering about that too.

I have seen an article describing JW as a "father figure" to little Rose.

 

[Safeguard]

The transcript makes it sound like she wanted her children to die and one of the parents had to go with them.

Also, is Jason Rose’s father too?

bbm
I wouldn't be a bit surprised. I have seen it stated elsewhere that he was her dad, (not sure if they meant "figuratively, but just said" she adored her dad JW") Rosie's Obituary makes no mention of a father at all.

 

[Safeguard]

I would be interested to see where this Firestarter is ten or fifteen years from now .
Imo he could grow up completely regretting this period in his life and never commit another crime, or he could become a serial killer, (or anything in between).

I get the sense that he wasn't cruel to the babies or animals, but reckless and scattered, (and you can hardly blame him).

Since he can't be punished legally (Like the 10 year olds who kidnapped, tortured and murdered James Bulger
were for example), I hope he is one of those people who has a complete transformation as he becomes an adult.

Kids can be cruel, it's not as unusual as we like to believe. Some change as they mature, some don't.

 

[jjenny]

Agreed -- I'm skeptical -- have been since the beginning about his mental ailments.

His age is what makes me doubt the schizophrenia diagnosis. ADHD on the other hand is diagnosed often in young children and he did seem very hyper to me in the videos.

 

[borndem]

He might have been diagnosed with schizoaffective disorder which has symptoms of both bipolar and schizophrenia. That would be my guess. Articles seem to say he was diagnosed with a "form of schizophrenia." Schizoaffective disorder is a combination of both bipolar and schizophrenia. So I wouldn't agree it's highly unlikely to have both conditions. Now, I don't know if he was actually diagnosed, but it is possibly in theory. Seems that 9 would be very early for diagnosis, it usually begins in late teens.

"Schizoaffective disorder is a chronic mental health condition that involves symptoms of both schizophrenia and a mood disorder like major depressive disorder or bipolar disorder. In fact, many people with schizophrenia are incorrectly diagnosed at first with depression or bipolar disorder."
https://www.webmd.com/schizophrenia/guide/mental-health-schizoaffective-disorder#1

That's a sad, sad diagnosis for this seemingly lively, happy boy -- again, I must say, however, that we have not seen him when he is affected by these disorders, or when he is at his worst, so we certainly do not have the whole picture, and we never will.
I am still skeptical -- for the time being, at least. The article above states how rare this disorder is:

Only a tiny number of people get schizoaffective disorder -- .03% of the population.

It would also lead me to think that finding a medical professional qualified to pronounce his disorders might be a tall order, and it seems that all of this would take multiple sessions, tests, and parental consultations. When and where were these mental-disorder discussions, examinations and diagnoses performed?
Note: I'm not looking for answers, of course, I'm just thinking aloud and wondering about it all, especially in light of the family dynamic as we have seen it.

 

[Scrapper18]

Another article on the difficulties of diagnosing a child with anything on the schizophrenia spectrum...

Psychosis in children: diagnosis and treatment

I think if he truly had a diagnosis, he would be under the care of a psychiatrist and on medication. MOO - he did not have a true Dx of schizophrenia. Was it something a counselor or psychiatrist mentioned they may need to watch out for? I think this is more probable.

All JMO.

 

[Blondiexoxo]

I’m sorry I don’t know how it works in the US but in the UK you get extra benefits (welfare payments) if your child has diagnosed disabilities. Sadly, I have seen first hand how some people in this country will take their kids from one specialist to another and log appeals against decisions by the welfare gov. Until they get a diagnosis then they will push for medication which further supports their need to claim money for taking care of additional needs their child has.
Unfortunately the welfare system gets abused and it just makes it even harder for those who actually need support to get it.

 

[mickey2942]

I’m sorry I don’t know how it works in the US but in the UK you get extra benefits (welfare payments) if your child has diagnosed disabilities. Sadly, I have seen first hand how some people in this country will take their kids from one specialist to another and log appeals against decisions by the welfare gov. Until they get a diagnosis then they will push for medication which further supports their need to claim money for taking care of additional needs their child has.
Unfortunately the welfare system gets abused and it just makes it even harder for those who actually need support to get it.

That is exactly how it works. And there is no "reassessment" process.

The entire mentality is interesting. They see government entitlement programs as a "good" thing.

 

[Scrapper18]

I’m sorry I don’t know how it works in the US but in the UK you get extra benefits (welfare payments) if your child has diagnosed disabilities. Sadly, I have seen first hand how some people in this country will take their kids from one specialist to another and log appeals against decisions by the welfare gov. Until they get a diagnosis then they will push for medication which further supports their need to claim money for taking care of additional needs their child has.
Unfortunately the welfare system gets abused and it just makes it even harder for those who actually need support to get it.

Yes, I’m the US a child with disabilities can receive payment from the government. BUT, the government takes in consideration the parents income. If you make more than $X your child will not qualify (despite disability) for payment until they turn 18. I’m not sure of this family’s income to know if they would have qualified or not.

Understanding SSI - SSI for Children