IL - Christian, 9, & Grace Vasilev, 3, stabbed to death, 27 April 2005 *Insanity*

[Shadow205]

do not read if you have a weak stomach

http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-kidsdead29.html

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-0504290208apr29,1,7163852.story?coll=chi-newslocal-hed&ctrack=1&cset=true


This is just horrible. And I am sure she will plead the insanity defense.

And the story about the fire, they didn't think it was odd that the mother left the baby, in a baby seat, on top of the dryer????

Who knows, maybe if someone looked into that a little more closely these children might have been spared?

*sigh*
Sharon

Actually Sharon, I would not have thought this strange at all. I have read in several parenting books about how this can help a baby with Colic. See below

If your baby won't stop crying, you may want to try the following ideas to help calm your baby.

• Place the baby on a soft blanket on top of a running clothes dryer--the warmth and vibration may calm him. (Be sure to never leave the baby alone when doing this.)

of course it also says not to leave the baby unattended but still this could have been what she was doing or least what the Police thought.

 

[mysteriew]

Actually Sharon, I would not have thought this strange at all. I have read in several parenting books about how this can help a baby with Colic. See below

If your baby won't stop crying, you may want to try the following ideas to help calm your baby.

• Place the baby on a soft blanket on top of a running clothes dryer--the warmth and vibration may calm him. (Be sure to never leave the baby alone when doing this.)

of course it also says not to leave the baby unattended but still this could have been what she was doing or least what the Police thought.

If you have ever had a baby with colic, you would understand the lengths people will go to. I personally know one woman who had to leave a sweeper running whenever she wanted the baby to sleep. People drive all hours of the night. My dau wasn't as bad as some. But sometimes the only way to get her sleep for a while was to wrap her snuggly, put her under a ceiling fan, with her head touching the end of the crib. I don't know why that worked- but it did. She outgrew it quickly, but some kids don't.

 

[SewingDeb]

I agree with you, Bobbi. He was close to the situation and had to know of his wife's mental problems. It was his responsibility to keep his children safe and that even extended to keeping them safe from their mother if she was a threat.

I feel that way about wives keeping their children safe from their husbands or partners, too, if there is any doubt about their mental stability.

 

[mysteriew]

I agree with you, Bobbi. He was close to the situation and had to know of his wife's mental problems. It was his responsibility to keep his children safe and that even extended to keeping them safe from their mother if she was a threat.

I feel that way about wives keeping their children safe from their husbands or partners, too, if there is any doubt about their mental stability.

I can agree with that. I do believe that parents can be a potiential danger to their own kids (duh, we know that don't we). But when the other parent ignores the danger signs and let's it happen- I feel they are guilty of child endangerment if they don't get the children to safety and either incarcerate the parent, or get them some treatment. These kids could have potientally have been saved- if the father had taken steps to get help for the mother.

 

[SewingDeb]

I can agree with that. I do believe that parents can be a potiential danger to their own kids (duh, we know that don't we). But when the other parent ignores the danger signs and let's it happen- I feel they are guilty of child endangerment if they don't get the children to safety and either incarcerate the parent, or get them some treatment. These kids could have potientally have been saved- if the father had taken steps to get help for the mother.

Oh, yes, we know all too well that some parents are a danger to their children. It's doubly sad to me when there are signs that are ignored by the spouse. They could have been saved, or the husband could have made the decision not to have any children until his wife was stable for a long period of time.

I hold the spouse almost equally responsible in these situations.

 

[G.I.RattlesnakeJane]

When he had reactions to the drugs they gave him. He saw bikers in the halls , kept calling the police to report shootings. We took his room phone out but he found his cell phone and kept calling. He had some pretty bad mental reactions to the drugs. Paranoria if you ask me. We put him in ICU to keep a beter eye on him he wasn't in danger as long as he behaved and stayed in bed but eventually I had to get a court order and a judge to hold him there. He was pretty bad off mentally speaking until the drugs and his dehydration was stabilized.

 

[Goody]

When he had reactions to the drugs they gave him. He saw bikers in the halls , kept calling the police to report shootings. We took his room phone out but he found his cell phone and kept calling. He had some pretty bad mental reactions to the drugs. Paranoria if you ask me. We put him in ICU to keep a beter eye on him he wasn't in danger as long as he behaved and stayed in bed but eventually I had to get a court order and a judge to hold him there. He was pretty bad off mentally speaking until the drugs and his dehydration was stabilized.

There is a thing called ICU psychosis. It usually happens when people are put into drug induced comas. (Boy, could I tell you stories!) It doesn't apply to Darlie though because she was not receiving any meds that cause hallucinations. She was in ICU to keep the media away from her. Shoot, they gave her meds to relax her and even on top of the drugs they used for surgery, she still didn't go to sleep all day.

 

[beesy]

Whereas we hear from the experts (homicide detectives, criminologists) who make it clear that people do not turn into murderers out of the blue. Just because someone is good at fooling people doesn't mean their heart isn't black as coal. Look at all the people who thought Peterson was such a great guy

I think that's the point we are trying to make here. Darlie is not a career criminal, but many think she has 2 or 3 personality disorders. It does seem Darlie had/has a kind heart. She was always self-centered and attention-seeking though. So we add PPD, diet pills, money worries, husband troubles on top of her normal personality and things collapse. She admits to being very depressed after the birth of Drake, that's not made up. She kept a journal and even began writing suicide notes to her boys when Darin caught her. Family members and friends were concerned about her and tried to talk to Darin about it. She took to her bed for 3 weeks after finding out she was having another boy. Darin admits he blew it off as "the baby blues". Darlie was on prescription diet pills. She and Darin were fighting all the time about money. And as far as her history as a mother, after Drake was born, Darlie started locking the boys out of the house. Witnesses say she was fine as long as they weren't around her. Even before that, neighbors often saw Devon running around playing out in the street and at a construction site all alone. Witnesses have heard her cussing at the boys saying "F you and get your bleeps over here".

It was Darin who was "living large." Jag, boat, etc. Darlie didn't even have an automobile to use at the time of the murders. A few pawnshop gimcracks, a pair of D-size hoots (Darin's idea, of course) and that was about it. The stories about her being in love with the lavish lifestyle are, like so many other things in this case, a complete myth

That's bull. Darlie decorated that house. Darlie picked out all of those antiques and she was the one buying the fancy clothes for herself and the boys. I can't see Darin shopping in the boys' clothing section. Darlie has always worn alot of makeup and had her nails and hair done. She insisted on paying the Neals' mortgage for them for several months. The Jag was in the shop which is why Darlie didn't have a car at the time. Darlie planned Mother's Day parties and picked up the tab. That's in the transcripts, told by women who were there. Darin worked all day. How did they amass so much personal debt if Darlie was sitting at home doing nothing? Her jewelry was not gimcracks. She had big rings with huge stones in them, fancy watches, earrings and bracelets. One glance at the crime scene photos should show you how much she had. She sure seemed happy in those vacation pictures. And about the . There is a friend who says Darlie told her that Darin said she could have an abortion if she got those for him. I don't think very highly of Darin, but he was not forcing her to live large, no way! Why do you believe that?

 

[G.I.RattlesnakeJane]

Absolutely Jules.

I'm siting here rubbing the area where Darlie received her wound and I can feel the bone , not much muscle between the skin and bone.

 

[Goody]

I'm siting here rubbing the area where Darlie received her wound and I can feel the bone , not much muscle between the skin and bone.

If you are talking about her forearm wound, it was less than an inch deep. If you are talking about her shoulder wound, it is an incised wound which means it is longer than it is deep.

By the way, I was reading the bond hearing testimony the other day and one of the ME's said that Darlie's neck wound was only about a half inch deep. The bond hearing was only weeks after the crime and I trust her memory was sharper then than it might have been at the trial, esp for little things like that not necessarily noted in the record. She also gave a good decription of the various muscle patterns in the neck. I have always found it interesting that nothing vital was cut when there are so many things that could have been injured. Like windpipe, voice box, etc. How often do we see people who are cut in the neck come out of it without these things being cut except in cases of self infliction? Makes the intruder theory even harder to believe.

 

[beesy]

If you are talking about her forearm wound, it was less than an inch deep. If you are talking about her shoulder wound, it is an incised wound which means it is longer than it is deep.

By the way, I was reading the bond hearing testimony the other day and one of the ME's said that Darlie's neck wound was only about a half inch deep. The bond hearing was only weeks after the crime and I trust her memory was sharper then than it might have been at the trial, esp for little things like that not necessarily noted in the record. She also gave a good decription of the various muscle patterns in the neck. I have always found it interesting that nothing vital was cut when there are so many things that could have been injured. Like windpipe, voice box, etc. How often do we see people who are cut in the neck come out of it without these things being cut except in cases of self infliction? Makes the intruder theory even harder to believe.

Ah, but how different the world would be without Darlie's voice box.

 

[beesy]

Okay. Darlie was carrying on multiple affairs, too. One with Neiman-Marcus, another with Sachs and, when she was really desperate, Wal Mart. :dance:

You left out herself and the Wal-Mart of pawn shops in Garland

 

[Goody]

Ah, but how different the world would be without Darlie's voice box.http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/76.gif

Why? She has that soft little childlike thing going. She is not much of a noise maker.

 

[beesy]

Why? She has that soft little childlike thing going. She is not much of a noise maker.

Like I said, how the different the world would be without Darlie's voicebox

 

[Goody]

Like I said, how the different the world would be without Darlie's voicebox

Poor Darlie. She does take a beating around here.

 

[beesy]

Poor Darlie. She does take a beating around here.

I'm just going to pretend I didn't see this:bang:

 

[Goody]

I'm just going to pretend I didn't see this:bang:

aahahahahahahahahhaahha! you are so easy sometimes. :woohoo:

 

[Marie]

Mother Of Slain Children Found Not Guilty Due To Insanity

Woman Stabbed Each Of Two Children More Than 200 Times

Cook County Judge Lawrence Fox made the decision Wednesday.

Vasilev will likely spend the rest of her life in a state mental health facility.

Vasilev had been found unfit to stand trial in 2005. She was ordered to undergo a year of inpatient treatment at the Elgin Mental Health Center.

Over the past six months, five medical experts have testified Vasilev was insane at the time of killings.

Defense attorneys argued that Vasilev had a long history of mental problems that began with a suicide attempt at age 12.

 

[southcitymom]

Mother Of Slain Children Found Not Guilty Due To Insanity

Woman Stabbed Each Of Two Children More Than 200 Times

Cook County Judge Lawrence Fox made the decision Wednesday.

Vasilev will likely spend the rest of her life in a state mental health facility.

Vasilev had been found unfit to stand trial in 2005. She was ordered to undergo a year of inpatient treatment at the Elgin Mental Health Center.

Over the past six months, five medical experts have testified Vasilev was insane at the time of killings.

Defense attorneys argued that Vasilev had a long history of mental problems that began with a suicide attempt at age 12.

Based on what I know of this case, I am pleased with the outcome.

Prayers to the family as they continue to heal.

 

[texasgirl]

I had never even heard of this story....it has to be one of the worst I have ever heard of! And, it makes me nauseous that this woman will not pay for what she did....regardless of her mental state. This is JMO, but I just don't accept this as an excuse when you kill your children and each child has more than 200 stab wounds. It's disgusting! Those poor precious angels....it's heartbreaking to imagine their last moments.

I can tell you guys this! I have a daughter and I worried like heck that I would have postpartum depression when I had her. I was lucky. I am pregnant again and my husband is on VERY STRICT orders that if I act weird in the slightest...that he make me an appointment and get me help right away. My daughter (and my unborn son) mean way too much to me to allow myself to fall into that mental illness trap. I feel for those women who do....seriously!! It must be a very hard thing to go through and I can't even imagine!!

But, a woman who stabs her child over 200 times? I'm sorry, but were there really no signs that this could happen? I can't read old articles to see if there were but something has to be done about this kind of thing.

Edited to add: I'm not saying that her actions were due to postpartum depression---this is just an example.