IL IL - Cook Co., WhtMale UP10788, 23-33, dismembered, joker tattoos, Apr'10

[Cubby]

Finally, an update. Sort of. Still a mystery.

http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=392836

"In April, Arlington Heights police released a sketch of tattoos on the lower part of the body.

A woman from Indiana called police to suggest the body could be her son's, Galinski said, but investigators located a recent girlfriend who said the tattoos did not match." Well yeah, if she is involved in it she would say that...

I wonder if the son is listed as a missing person. I hope so if his mother was concerned enough about his whereabouts she is checking on John Doe's. I wish we had a name if her son is a missing person.

I also hope LE isn't going to rule out based on the girl friends statement alone. Dentals, DNA.... Anyone confirm this possible match has been seen living after the does were found?

I wish there was more to the article.

I do hope LE is able to determine if the two different partial Does are the same person soon. I would have thought they would have an answer on at least that by now. Hopefully this upcoming week.

 

[tatertot]

I wish the information wasn't so vague. The article mentions a "recent" girlfriend of this missing man, but exactly when did she last see him?

I'm assuming his (ex?)girlfriend verified that she was intimate enough with the "missing son" to know that he did not have mask tattoos on his thighs/groin area like the UID did, but there's no information on the UID report to indicate how old the tattoos might be, nor do we know exactly how long ago the "missing son" broke up with his girlfriend. It's not impossible that she might honestly remember him without tattoos only because he got them sometime after breaking up with her and before he met with foul play.

I hope the woman who is missing her son requests that this potential match be verified by dental records or DNA.

 

[Claudette]

Found an interesting comment in the comments section of the article I posted the other day - take from it what you will:

"Google is your friend, police.

GANG: MS-13 (Mara Salvatrucha)

Codes: Motto of "Laugh now, cry later" represented by tattoos of theater's Comedy and Tragedy masks.

Origin: It's been dubbed the most dangerous gang in the U.S. by Newsweek because of its fast-moving spread into 33 states. The FBI has formed a special task force to investigate its activities. Gang members are ultra-violent and bloodthirsty and are known to carry military weapons and booby trap drug stashes. Formed in Los Angeles in the '80s by former Salvadoran street gang and ex-guerrilla fighters. Name mixes "posse" (mara) with "street-tough Salvadorans" (salvatruchas). The New York gang popped up in Long Island in the mid-1990s.

Crimes: The gang draws its income from extortion, drug- and gun-dealing, car theft and home invasions. Allegedly tied to execution-style slayings of three college students in Newark in August. Nationwide, members have killed three federal agents and gotten into numerous shootings with cops.

Rivals: Bloods, Latin Kings, SWP"


Great! Glad this is right by me. :yuck:

 

[Claudette]

Also, I just emailed the reporter asking about the missing Indiana guy - if he is listed as a missing person and if his DNA is in CODIS.

 

[Cubby]

Found an interesting comment in the comments section of the article I posted the other day - take from it what you will:

"Google is your friend, police.

GANG: MS-13 (Mara Salvatrucha)

Codes: Motto of "Laugh now, cry later" represented by tattoos of theater's Comedy and Tragedy masks.

Origin: It's been dubbed the most dangerous gang in the U.S. by Newsweek because of its fast-moving spread into 33 states. The FBI has formed a special task force to investigate its activities. Gang members are ultra-violent and bloodthirsty and are known to carry military weapons and booby trap drug stashes. Formed in Los Angeles in the '80s by former Salvadoran street gang and ex-guerrilla fighters. Name mixes "posse" (mara) with "street-tough Salvadorans" (salvatruchas). The New York gang popped up in Long Island in the mid-1990s.

Crimes: The gang draws its income from extortion, drug- and gun-dealing, car theft and home invasions. Allegedly tied to execution-style slayings of three college students in Newark in August. Nationwide, members have killed three federal agents and gotten into numerous shootings with cops.

Rivals: Bloods, Latin Kings, SWP"


Great! Glad this is right by me. :yuck:

I have a partial list of Chicago Street Gangs and some info from a class I took through my local PD. I don't see MS-13 listed on my notes, but I do see that if this is a rival of Latin Kings - that makes sense as the Tatoo is on the right.

Not sure if this will help, but Latin Kings are associated with 'People' and everything is on the left. (their tat's etc, all signs on the left. 'Folks' indicator is on the right. The C tat is on the right on this john doe. So perhaps this man is some how associated with a known gang in the area on the Folks side.

I'm not sure I have a complete list either as it was received out of order. The C means something too. Either an initial for something, or if it is the logo of a sports team it may mean whatever is associated with that team. The list is weird, because even abbv for universities mean things.

ETA: I meant to add I can't find anything with a C on this list either.

 

[Cubby]

Also, I just emailed the reporter asking about the missing Indiana guy - if he is listed as a missing person and if his DNA is in CODIS.

Do you mean the missing son the mother called about in the earlier article? Not sure I know who or what you mean by 'missing Indiana guy'.

 

[Cubby]

Finally, an update. Sort of. Still a mystery.

http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=392836

"In April, Arlington Heights police released a sketch of tattoos on the lower part of the body.

A woman from Indiana called police to suggest the body could be her son's, Galinski said, but investigators located a recent girlfriend who said the tattoos did not match." Well yeah, if she is involved in it she would say that...

drawing of the UID's tat's from the above link.

 

[Cubby]

FWIW, since this UID has the tats of the faces on both sides, if you notice the smiling face is on the right... the crying face is on the left

People = Left indicator, so the crying face would be indicative of a 'slam' to those gangs associated with things on the left gangs which identify with People or left indicators.

Folks = Right Indicator

Disciples are listed as being associated with "Folks".

Now how that helps us who knows... but that is some info from my hand out from my class.

 

[Cubby]

I should have clarified earlier. There are things on the list I have with a "C" but nothing with a C that stands alone or individually. I don't know if the C means anything with the faces.

It is possible if his family hasn't seen him in some time they may not have thought to report him missing and believe he is incarcerated.

It is possible when DNA comes back to see if the this case relates to to the other local case, a DNA submit might lead to an ID if this UID if he has DNA submitted for any previous convictions.

 

[Claudette]

Thanks Cubby, that's a lot of great info.

Yes, the "missing Indiana guy" is the one the mom called in about. I'm hoping to get SOME kind of info, no matter how small. The article was so vague.

I suspected this as a gang thing from the beginning. My town is a nice town and a safe place to live, but surrounded by somewhat shady areas. I know there is a lot of gang activity north of me in Des Plaines, and there are some strange areas around the place where the lower portion with the tatoos was found too.

I totally forgot about the "C" tattoo. I can't imagine why someone would get a small C tattoo - IMO it has some sort of symbolism too. I will have to go back and get more details about the location, size and font of it and see if I can uncover something.

 

[Claudette]

Ok so weird thought about the C - maybe I had hockey on the brain lately with the Hawks trading half the team off - but your comment about the C tying in with the mask tattoos. Maybe like hockey jerseys it means the guy was important - IE "C" means captain and "A" means assistant captain. Like a permanent badge or status marker.

Also in thinking about that, did you know back in the 19th century French prostitutes were branded with a tatoo of the fleur de lis? Just another example of a tattoo being a permanent badge or status marker. It would explain why it is such a boring C, not an intricate script or something like that.

Things that make you go hmmmm!

 

[Cubby]

I hope you are able to obtain some info on the "missing indiana guy".

There is a C and a B which has something to do with the Crips but I found that online and I don't know if they are associated with people or folks.

 

[Cubby]

I did a little searching and various info says that Crips do not normally have tat's and not that yahoo answers is the best source but found something that states Crips are associated with People which is everything on the left...... so this UID would not be a crip.

Still wish we could figure out what that C means.

 

[CarlK90245]

I did a little searching and various info says that Crips do not normally have tat's and not that yahoo answers is the best source but found something that states Crips are associated with People which is everything on the left...... so this UID would not be a crip.

Still wish we could figure out what that C means.

My understanding of the Crips is that it is a black gang, as are the bloods. The Crips are not El Salvadoran.

 

[Lucy's mom]

Crips (in Los Angeles) are definitely a black gang....the El Salvadoran gangs are MS-13. They might have other names though.

 

[Cubby]

The crips are not big in the Chicago area that I know of. Latin Kings are big in the burbs. I think the Disciples are big in the city.......... This guy could have come from anywhere. Most of the suburban gang members are teenagers. The area this UID and the other Arlington Hts and Mt. Prospect IIRC, are not known as gang area's just the usual small pockets as most burbs have.

The tat's are not exclusive gang ta's either. Many have the same (minus the C) and are not gang related. No links but pretty easy to search.

I hope DNA info is released in the media soon.

 

[Claudette]

DNA proves the two halves are from the same body!!

Some interesting tidbits:
- They plan on doing a facial reconstruction
- His DNA does not have a match to the national database (CODIS, right?), meaning he has never been arrested or at least charged with a felony. People in gangs usually have a rap sheet a mile long. Possible he was not in a gang?
- They do not know if he was cut apart pre or post-mortem. I just got chills down my spine.

http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=403016

Mods - can we merge the Arlington Heights lower torso thread with this one? Thanks

 

[CarlK90245]

- His DNA does not have a match to the national database (CODIS, right?), meaning he has never been arrested or at least charged with a felony. People in gangs usually have a rap sheet a mile long. Possible he was not in a gang?

It is probably more accurate to say he was not charged with a felony recently. From what I understand, it has only been in recent years that they have been routinely taking DNA from felony arrestees.

 

[Cubby]

Disappointing to read LE doesn't believe a recon will help much in this case. Maybe they are only saying that with the hopes the person will become a little too relaxed.

Perhaps this is someone who is missing from outside of Illinois, or perhaps this is someone who is not yet reported missing. Dang! Someone is missing this guy. Someone knows they haven't seen him in a few months. Why hasn't he been reported missing? Let's keep looking.

 

[Cubby]

Another outloud thought. Perhaps someone won't miss him until a birthday or certain holiday passes. Boy can it annoy me when people aren't reported missing. (thanks for listening to the frustration/vent.)