GUILTY IL - Dennis Hastert, former U.S. House Speaker, indicted for child molestation, Yorkville, 2015

[Elley Mae]

Ok, is there a statute of limitations in play here? You know the coach a couple of years ago got sent to prison and his crimes were many years prior, right?
Also, if Hastert liked molesting boys 30 yrs ago, he still likes molesting boys. Sorry but you know it's true.

It's the wording that has me thinking it's not rape or molestation, it was the money he was getting that got the attention of the feds. The person receiving the money is not the one that talked, or so it seems. I wonder how the feds know who it is? I guess denny told them. I still say the the person that bribe denny should be charged as well. jmo idk

“prior misconduct.”

“compensate for and conceal his prior misconduct against” that person.

http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2015/05/29/fbi-former-ill-school-district-employee-indicted/

 

[Elley Mae]

It's like when martha stewart was charged with lying and not insider trading.jmo

 

[EllieBee]

Yeah that was before it was public, now I think denny should out who he has been paying to keep quiet. Seems that this could have been consensual between two males with the student probably being a minor. IIRC this happened before denny was married and in the political world. Seems strange that this person didn't start this shake down till 2010, denny was out of office in 2007, I wonder why the wait. jmo idk

There is no such thing as consensual sex between an adult and a minor, legally speaking. A minor can not give consent. And according to Illinois law, if the alleged minor victim was 5 or more years younger than Hastert, it is considered aggravated sexual abuse and as such, a Class 2 felony.

http://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/illinois-statutory-rape-laws.htm

Also, Hastert denied that he was being extorted so should he try to go after Individual A for such, I would imagine it would amount to bupkis.

 

[EllieBee]

Ok, is there a statute of limitations in play here? You know the coach a couple of years ago got sent to prison and his crimes were many years prior, right?
Also, if Hastert liked molesting boys 30 yrs ago, he still likes molesting boys. Sorry but you know it's true.

In Illinois, the statute of limitations for rape (did not list statutory rape) is three years or
no time limit, depending on the facts of the case.

http://research.lawyers.com/illinois/illinois-statutes-of-limitations.html

Clear as mud, huh?

 

[Elley Mae]

Between 2010 and 2012, Hastert made 15 cash withdrawals of $50,000 from bank accounts and gave cash to Individual A around every six weeks, according to the indictment.

http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2015/05/29/fbi-former-ill-school-district-employee-indicted/

Sounds like extortion to me, but we'll see. jmo idk

 

[Elley Mae]

In Illinois, the statute of limitations for rape (did not list statutory rape) is three years or
no time limit, depending on the facts of the case.

http://research.lawyers.com/illinois/illinois-statutes-of-limitations.html

Clear as mud, huh?

That's just it I see no rape here. I person met with denny and the payments began. jmo idk

 

[SCHMAE]

In Illinois, the statute of limitations for rape (did not list statutory rape) is three years or
no time limit, depending on the facts of the case.

http://research.lawyers.com/illinois/illinois-statutes-of-limitations.html

Clear as mud, huh?

Even if the victim is a minor child , though? I can remember cases ( few and far between) where children grew up and finally as adults were brave enough to speak out against a parent or family member and they prosecuted the family member. A child should not have the same burden to notify authorities of a sex crime as an adult in a prompt fashion.

 

[SCHMAE]

That's just it I see no rape here. I person met with denny and the payments began. jmo idk

If no rape occurred, Hastert would have told the one seeking the $ to take a hike, though, right?

 

[EllieBee]

Even if the victim is a minor child , though? I can remember cases ( few and far between) where children grew up and finally as adults were brave enough to speak out against a parent or family member and they prosecuted the family member. A child should not have the same burden to notify authorities of a sex crime as an adult in a prompt fashion.

I would imagine that would fall under the "depending on the facts of the case" part.

Probably why such a broad range. I would hope that if Individual A was a minor at the time and especially if he was a student of Hastert's, that charges could still be brought. Those would both probably be aggravating factors.

I also wonder if, say, the victim, for whatever reason, told Hastert he was going to the authorities (but did not ask for money) and Hastert OFFERED him money to keep quiet, would that be extortion? Or, like rape, are there levels of extortion? A more serious charge for being the one to demand the money, lesser for simply accepting money to stay quiet?



This case is very interesting from a legal aspect.

 

[Elley Mae]

If no rape occurred, Hastert would have told the one seeking the $ to take a hike, though, right?

The disclosures followed Thursday's federal indictment against Hastert on charges of lying to the FBI about the reasons for large cash withdrawals he is accused of making to buy the man's silence.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-hastert-misconduct-20150529-story.html#navtype=outfit

I have to wonder if this person was asked if they wanted to press charges? Looks like he is being charges with lying to the feds. jmo idk

 

[Nova]

It's like when martha stewart was charged with lying and not insider trading.jmo

Um, no it's not. Stewart was convicted of lying to the federal authorities.

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Oops. I see from your latest post that Hastert has indeed been charged with lying to the FBI, so, yes, that would basically be the same as Martha Stewart. Sorry. My bad.

I'm confused by all the hypotheticals relating to "Individual A".

 

[Margo/Mom]

It's the wording that has me thinking it's not rape or molestation, it was the money he was getting that got the attention of the feds. The person receiving the money is not the one that talked, or so it seems. I wonder how the feds know who it is? I guess denny told them. I still say the the person that bribe denny should be charged as well. jmo idk

“prior misconduct.”

“compensate for and conceal his prior misconduct against” that person.

http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2015/05/29/fbi-former-ill-school-district-employee-indicted/

Perhaps the feds offered immunity to the recipient for their cooperation?

 

[Margo/Mom]

In Illinois, the statute of limitations for rape (did not list statutory rape) is three years or
no time limit, depending on the facts of the case.

http://research.lawyers.com/illinois/illinois-statutes-of-limitations.html

Clear as mud, huh?

Also gotta consider that this was likely a student of Hastert's, which could bring in a whole other set of regs.

 

[Margo/Mom]

I would imagine that would fall under the "depending on the facts of the case" part.

Probably why such a broad range. I would hope that if Individual A was a minor at the time and especially if he was a student of Hastert's, that charges could still be brought. Those would both probably be aggravating factors.

I also wonder if, say, the victim, for whatever reason, told Hastert he was going to the authorities (but did not ask for money) and Hastert OFFERED him money to keep quiet, would that be extortion? Or, like rape, are there levels of extortion? A more serious charge for being the one to demand the money, lesser for simply accepting money to stay quiet?



This case is very interesting from a legal aspect.

Going out on a limb here, but what if Individual A--who has known Hastert for a long time--is an attorney who was approached by several individuals who suffered sexual abuse at the hands of Hastert while minors. Statute of limitations aside, such individuals, now grown, have struggled with emotional and psychological issues as a result of their experience, and are pressing for payment for their various treatment expenses. Might such an individual approach Hastert with a request that he pay for such costs, and arrive at an agreement by which he would make regular payments to a fund to be utilized for treatment costs in lieu of a civil action to recoup such costs?

 

[Donjeta]

http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20150601/news/150609971/

Wheaton College announced Sunday it is removing the name of former U.S. Speaker of the House J. Dennis Hastert from its Center for Economics, Government, and Public Policy named in his honor.

Dennis sinned. And backwards.

 

[AlwaysShocked]

This dude was so friggin' stupid he didn't know that banks must report withdrawals of over $10,000 to the Feds? And when questioned about it he told the Feds he was taking the money out because he "no longer trusted banks"?

I'm more interested in the facts that show when he went into Congress his net worth was $267,000 and when he came out his net worth was in the multiple millions.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Weird how this story has simply disappeared from the headlines. I myself blame the liberal media.

 

[SCHMAE]

Weird how this story has simply disappeared from the headlines. I myself blame the liberal media.

Actaully we should be glad it ever saw the light of day. I feel like there are stories like this all over in Washington and other segments of priveliged people that we never hear about. At least for Dennis, it's been exposed. I don't watch or read a huge ton of news so I don't know what stories are hot right now.

 

[Elley Mae]

Weird how this story has simply disappeared from the headlines. I myself blame the liberal media.

And five will get you ten they know way more then we (public) do.

 

[Margo/Mom]

Weird how this story has simply disappeared from the headlines. I myself blame the liberal media.

Rachel Maddow (about as liberal as media gets) had someone on her show last night--I believe a reporter from the Huffington Post (more libs)--who had an anonymous source who claimed to have informed one Dem Senator (and I forget who it was) at the time of Hastert's time in Congress of this particular blot to the pages of his history. I believe he acknowledges having been told, but lacking confirmation let the matter drop. I would imagine that had there been a smoking gun available he would have used the info.