Identified! IL - DuPage Co., Boy, 3-5, found in laundry bag, Oct'05 - Atzel Olmedo

[Cubby]

Police Hope New Sketch Leads To Boy's Identification

UPDATED: November 21, 2005

CHICAGO -- The DuPage County sheriff's office has followed up more than 100 tips in its investigation into the October discovery of the body of young boy found near Naperville, and on Monday it released a modified sketch of the unidentified victim.

The drawing was modified to show the 3- to 5-year-old boy with shorter, straighter hair to give his face a slightly different perspective, a sheriff's office news release said.

Detectives working the case have followed up on more than 100 tips since the initial sketch of the victim was released, but none of the leads led to the identity of the boy, DuPage County Sheriff John E. Zaruba said in the release.

The body was found Oct. 8 in a blue canvas laundry bag near Ferry Road and Meadow Drive in an unincorporated area of DuPage County near Naperville, the release said.

"We are again appealing to the public for help in identifying this poor child who was discarded by the side of a road as if he were a piece of garbage," Zaruba said

Sheriff's police deputies found the remains at about 4 p.m. Oct. 8 after a person came upon the body and called police, DuPage County sheriff's police spokeswoman Carol Roegner said at the time.

The cause of the child's death was still undetermined Monday, said a deputy coroner with the DuPage County Coroner's office who declined to be identified.

Investigators have already determined that the child was about 38 inches tall and weighed between 25 and 30 pounds, the news release said. An anthropologist consulted by detectives working on the case believes the ethnic origin of the boy is East Indian/American Indian derived from Hispanic or Tribal Indian heritage, the release said.

The boy was wearing a navy blue, collarless shirt with three buttons, and the size is 2T for toddlers. He also wore navy blue pants with a nylon cotton blend shell with a white liner. The brand of the clothing is Faded Glory, which is sold exclusively by Wal-Mart, the release said.

Investigators continue to work closely with the FBI and The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. "America's Most Wanted" has the child's picture and information posted on its website and thousands of posters have been distributed nationwide, the release said.

Detectives are also awaiting the results of several, more sophisticated forensic examinations, and those results are expected before the first of the year, the release said.

Anyone who recognizes the child should call the sheriff's office tip line at (800) 669-7109, the release said.

http://www.nbc5.com/news/5376875/detail.html#

quoting to bump another older relevent post. BBM.

I really don't know or notice because I would not be able to identify any distinguishing characteristics to recognize a tribal native from northern US or southern Canada in this area. We do have pockets of high populations of those who are east indian. Mostly in the Glendale Heights area, though I am not sure what other surrounding communities might also have similiar higher populations other than possibly Hanover Park and Streamwood.

The few times I have used local laundry mats, I notice more laundry bags being used, than laundry baskets such as what I usually bring.

just some additional thoughts....

 

[Cubby]

Looks like they may have at least a little something to go on to help in the search for this little angels parents.

Study shows unidentified dead boy spent short life in northern Illinois​

Authorities say they hope new scientific information may help them identify a young boy whose remains were buried earlier this year.

The unidentified little boy whose remains were found in 2005 inside a laundry bag dumped in a field on the outskirts of northwest Naperville spent most of his life in northern Illinois, authorities said Wednesday.

A study of oxygen isotopes in the boy's bones and teeth by a Canadian college professor who specializes in geochemistry determined the particular isotopes from the boy's skeleton matched samples taken from the tooth of a Naperville child.

The research further determined the boy's mother had lived in the south-central portion of Canada while pregnant with the boy -- likely Winnipeg, Sault Ste. Marie or the surrounding areas, said Henry P. Schwarcz, an emeritus professor at McMaster University in Hamilton, Ontario, who performed the study.

"Most of your body is made up of oxygen, and that gets into your bones and teeth, and therefore you have some records of where that oxygen comes from," Schwarcz said.

Over the course of 40 years, scientists have created a map of North America based on particular types of oxygen isotopes, Schwarcz said. While the map can't pinpoint exact locations, it can narrow things down.

Using one of the boy's primary molars, Schwarcz was able to determine that the child's mother had lived in a particular area of Canada or even possibly the Upper Peninsula of Michigan while pregnant. Because the tooth was formed in utero, it carries the mother's information.

An analysis of the boy's bone determined he had spent most, if not all, of his life in northern Illinois. Schwarcz said bones collect oxygen isotopes that act as geographic markers throughout a person's life.

More at link http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=85576

bumping this post. not sure if the link still works.

 

[Cubby]

Very interesting and I also know the area well, although am not local. Thanks for the post.

Thanks. I can vaguelly remember when North Ave. Rt 64 west of Rt 53 or about there in Lombard was still two lanes. It's 6 with a median now. I can remember when most of Carol Stream was still corn fields.... and when the corners of Army Trail and County Farm were still mostly corn fields. I vaguelly recall when Roosevelt Rd. Rt 38 was still two lanes also, but that was forever ago.

 

[Cubby]

I don't see that this guy has been discussed yet on this thread.

Nathan Jesus Naranjo
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/n/naranjo_nathan.html

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What do y'all think?

I just called it in to the sheriff's office tip line at (800) 669-7109. If there is a reward on the find, I don't want anyone beating me to it.

I hope dupage looks into this little guy regardless if NCMEC still believes he is alive. I went back and read the full thread, and one of the earlier media articles indicated the john does ears were almost pointy. I took that along with the recomp to indicate they stuck straight out. The NCMEC pic of Nathan appears to have ears described exactly as this little guy. The only thing which doesn't match, is the family history possibly from Mexico? However we don't know where the Naranjo family is from and there wasn't anything indicating they were from Mexico or a southern area of the US which would easily rule the brothers out based on the isotope testing.

 

[carbuff]

Cubby, thanks for the detailed information about the area's ethnic makeup and economics. It's quite different than New England, that's for sure.

I'm still inclined to think that given where his mother lived, Native American/First Nations ancestry is much more likely than Hispanic, but Hispanic is certainly a possibility.

Is there a hospital in the area where the body was found? I've noticed that they often use blue laundry bags. Maybe a parent worked in the hospital laundry.

 

[Cubby]

Central DuPage Hospital in Winfield would be the closest hospital to this area. but there are a few others not too far either. Elmhurst Memorial in Elmhurst, Good Sam in Downers Grove, and there is another further west. The name escapes me right now, and another in Elk Grove Village. There is also a small hospital in Glendale Heights, Glen Oaks.

The name that escaped me earlier was Edward Hospital in Naperville. Which I think may be closer to the location the boy was found than CDH or Central DuPage.

 

[Cubby]

I wondered if this childs mother went missing or left before giving birth. I went through the missing persons sites I could find and only found one which is remotely close.

This gal went missing at 8-9 mo's pregnant from Winnipeg Manitoba. She may have gone missing willingly and somehow made her way to the Chicago area. Her due date was July or August 2003 which is a little younger than the age range of 3-5 for this child.. but not by that much.

http://www.nampn.org/cases/guiboche_sylvia.html

I left a message at the hotline with the info on the above missing woman from Winnipeg.

She'd be one to look at. Could probably do it with the dna too, if the persons investigating her case in Winnipeg have her DNA on file.

 

[Cubby]

I also forwarded this via email to my local contact (not dupage, but has direct access to the detective handling DuPage "Johnny" does case).

I did a little more looking, and it is approximately a 14 hour drive from Winnipeg to Chicago. Not unreasonable during the summer months when Sylvia went missing. Sylvia didn't have a permanent address and was known to Winnipeg police as a sex trade worker. It's possible she knew she would have her child taken from her at birth and chose to leave willingly, hoping to make a better life for herself in the Chicago area. I imagine in 2003 it wouldn't be hard to cross the border into the US from Manitoba. Passports were not needed at that time to cross between US and Canada by plane, certainly wouldn't be necessary by car. I've always thought Manitoba might be a possibility because from Ontario in route to Chicago are other large cities and it might make more sense to stay in another large city such as Toronto, or to travel east to larger cities other than Chicago.



When looking at a map, the only large cities between Chicago and Winnipeg are Minneapolis and Milwaukee, both much smaller than Chicago.

From the Dupage County Sheriffs site:
http://www.co.dupage.il.us/sheriff/reward.htm
An anthropologist consulted by detectives working on the case has stated that she believes the ethnic origin of the boy is East Asian/American Indian derived from Hispanic or Tribal Indian heritage. He is not African-American.

Copied from the Doe Network site:
Other: An isotopic study of material taken from the boy's teeth indicate he spent most of his life residing in the northern part of Illinois. It also concluded the boy's mother lived in the far north, likely Canada, when she was pregnant before relocating to Illinois.

I see a strong resemblence. The facial shape, noses and the 'pointy' hairline near the temple. Eye shape and chin shapes are also close. Ears are off, but he could have his fathers ears. 38.5" is a bit tall for a 26-27 mo. old but not that far off. I don't have my sons 24 month ht, but at 18 mo's he was 35.5". Also, the estimated wt of 25-30 lbs for this child is very malnurished for a 3 to 5 year old. 25-30 lbs is closer to the average wt of a 12-28 month old. If Sylvia gave birth in July or August of 2003, her child would be 26 or 27 months old in October of 2005 when this child was found.

http://pediatrics.about.com/library/growth_charts/nboysbirth.htm

according to the above growth chart 25-30 lbs is at the 50th percentile for a 12-28 month old child, and 38.5" is a bit tall, but that depends on the parents hts.

I hope DuPage looks at this to see if this child is possibly the offspring of Sylvia. While circumstancial, too much matches up.

 

[Cubby]

I thought I would cover all basis, so sent off an email to Winnipeg as well. They may know she had a Chicago connection of some kind......

 

[carbuff]

Excellent work, Cubby.

 

[Cubby]

I tried the 800 number 3 times. No call backs.... and for some reason that 800 number does not go to DuPage, but goes to Great Lakes US Marshalls something or other. I don't know who is manning the tip lines. My contact here in Glendale Hts said he would pass it along. No call back from DuPage, or Manitoba, so I also tried submitting the tip through NCMEC.

I realize this is not a tip for the child, but considering this mother meets the criteria according to the ethnicity as well as location, imo, it is worth reviewing. I'm not saying it was Sylvia who may have dumped this child, perhaps she did. Perhaps she met with foul play shortly after giving birth and someone had her child. I really don't know.... but considering she is the only native american indian who went missing at 8-9 mo's pregnant in 2003, her child may not be far off as a potential match for this precious unidentified child in DuPage.

I can't say how hard it has been for me to submit this tip. And I live in DuPage county.

 

[CarlK90245]

I tried the 800 number 3 times. No call backs.... and for some reason that 800 number does not go to DuPage, but goes to Great Lakes US Marshalls something or other. I don't know who is manning the tip lines. My contact here in Glendale Hts said he would pass it along. No call back from DuPage, or Manitoba, so I also tried submitting the tip through NCMEC.

I realize this is not a tip for the child, but considering this mother meets the criteria according to the ethnicity as well as location, imo, it is worth reviewing. I'm not saying it was Sylvia who may have dumped this child, perhaps she did. Perhaps she met with foul play shortly after giving birth and someone had her child. I really don't know.... but considering she is the only native american indian who went missing at 8-9 mo's pregnant in 2003, her child may not be far off as a potential match for this precious unidentified child in DuPage.

I can't say how hard it has been for me to submit this tip. And I live in DuPage county.

I never heard back from them on the Nathan Naranjo (and brother) tip either. I haven't followed-up, primarily because of the info you provided that the two brothers are known to be still alive. I should at least verify that though. Did you ever mention the two brothers to your Glendale Heights contact?

 

[Cubby]

I did not mention the brothers to my contact in G.H. I think I caught him at a bad time when he was swamped and he is not with DuPage, unless it is urgent I don't want to keep asking him to 'work' on something which belongs with another jurisdiction.

NCMEC didn't give any information on the brothers other than the case was 'media ready' in June (IIRC) of 2009, and I believe that is about when they were listed. Considering this is a family custody/parental kidnapping with an apparent court history of some kind given the number of years between missing date and date entered with NCMEC, I think NCMEC probably has good reason to believe the boys are still alive. I would still try again if I were you Carl. IMO, it would also be really nice for DuPage to list rule outs at the site. Carl, you might want to call the coroners office rather than the 800 number listed. That is one number I found after contacting NCMEC regarding the Sylvia possibility. If you can't find it let me know and I will pm it to you.

OT- On another note, I forget which missing person it was, but it stood out to me that it took 13-14 YEARS to get a federal arrest warrant issued for the parent who abducted their child. All I could do is shake my head. The child is now 16 or 17, parentally abducted at about age 3-4. Could you imagine being that left behind parent waiting THAT long?

 

[Cubby]

I'm going to wait until later this week and follow up with DuPage regarding the 'tip' I sent in earlier this month about Sylvia Guiboche.

In the mean time, I have been seeing what else I can find on this precious little guy. I found a facebook done for him. I don't know the person who put it together, but she did a fantastic job! A great write up about the details, forensics and investigative work on the case. Especially since some of the earlier links within this thread no longer work.

here is the link to the facebook for DuPage Johnny Doe.

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?v=info&gid=66413280978

 

[Cubby]

Not only did the above facebook have the correct detectives name, Edwalds, he was in fact easy to reach once I just called the 630 number. Which I should have done in the first place. I've seen his name in various media articles and he has been around for quite some time. I have seen his name dating back to cases in the mid 80's.

From the above face book. A link for the map to where this child was found. You can see it is a semi 'rural/country-ish' area with some larger lots, some undeveloped and newely developed land as well as very close to the I-88 interstate. For those of you not familiar with the area, I-88 runs east and west. Going east it runs into 290 which goes further east directly to Forest Park, IL. (about 290 and 1st ave or Harlem ave.) It is pretty much a straight shot east/west. If traffic is not bad, it is probably about a 45 min drive between where he was found and Forest Park.

I can't find the creek bed from this map mentioned in the above info, but I think it is the curved trees just east of Meadow Dr and just south of Ferry Road.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=Intersection+of+Ferry+Road+and+Meadow+Drive+in+Warrenville%2C+Illinois%2C+Naperville%2C+IL

 

[Cubby]

This is a few months old, but just found it via that fantastic FB page I mentioned above.

Four years, no answers after boy's body found in field

NAPERVILLE (STNG) -- That helmet of jet-black hair and his almost-too-toothy grin might be what people familiar with the case first envision when thinking about the boy nicknamed "DuPage Johnny Doe."

He appears more pensive in later artists' renderings, but in the early ones he beams a smile designed to light up the world, and radiates an "I can't wait" eagerness for the adventures any new day might bring.

"Johnny" has likely been gone now for as many or more years as he was alive. Police, despite dogged efforts, find themselves no closer to knowing his real name or learning how he came to be forsaken on a lonesome patch of land in an unincorporated area of Naperville Township.

And while many people undoubtedly doubt the existence of guardian angels, Johnny without a doubt has at least three guardian mortals looking out for him, in the form of three determined DuPage County Sheriff's Office detectives.

much more at link:
http://www.wbbm780.com/pages/5361410.php?

 

[Cubby]

Another interesting fact. Somewhere on that FB page, it is mentioned that they have not yet been able to determine a cause of death.

this one is tough for me, not only because it is local, but because my son is likely only about a year older than this little guy. I pray we find his name. He deserves a least that much and to know he is loved and cared about.

 

[Cubby]

Cubby, thanks for the detailed information about the area's ethnic makeup and economics. It's quite different than New England, that's for sure.

I'm still inclined to think that given where his mother lived, Native American/First Nations ancestry is much more likely than Hispanic, but Hispanic is certainly a possibility.

Is there a hospital in the area where the body was found? I've noticed that they often use blue laundry bags. Maybe a parent worked in the hospital laundry.

This is a good point. After giving this a little more consideration, maybe even in one of the numerus local laundry mats. Some of them are pretty nice and have an attendant to ensure the machines are working, change machines are working, the place is being kept clean, machines clean etc. Some also have an area to purchase laundry supplies including canvas laundry bags. It might be easier for an undocumented worker to find employment in that type of area. A smaller family owned business. Easier to 'hide' undocumented workers. Especially if this childs mother was not here legally.

It might even be a job where the employer would allow the mother to bring a baby or small child. Lots of kids usually playing in those places. When we have used the laundry mat, my son thinks it's a blast. A few TV's going, pop machine, munchie machine, ice cream machine and of course the gumball machines with candy and little toys, plus other kids to play with. He actually looks forward to going.

 

[Cubby]

I put a call into DuPage to follow up on this tip regarding Sylvia. I think she is going to be ruled out as a parent for this child, but I need to get confirmation of that from another detective.

 

[carbuff]

It didn't occur to me until just now, but would putting missing posters in the area laundromats be a better way to reach people who might know who he is?