IL - July 4 Parade, Highland Park, at least 6 fatally shot, 4 July 2022 *son charged, dad guilty*

[Wise Old Owl]

FWIW his father says he spent an hour with him...

I listened several times. While he may have said them, I think he blurred with and him -- wi"th'im.

JMO

I listened too - but I never heard that sentence in the recording. Good catch.





JMHO

 

[MsBetsy]

From the article:

"Thirteen hours earlier, I spent almost an hour with them sitting in the yard talking about the planet, the atmosphere and nothing. Great mood. I'm just shocked," Crimo said. "I think, three days before the fourth, my wife had asked him, 'hey, do you have any plans for the fourth?' And he simply said, 'no.'"

He also wasn't concerned by the social media posts his son made in the past, saying he hadn't seen them all and figured they had to do with his music.


First, who is THEM? He spent an hour with THEM - so who else was there and talking? And he admits not seeing those sick, nasty, disgusting posts - so how can he make statements about the person his son had become?

Again - in denial, making excuses - passing the buck. This guy really needs to just shut up! He's making the situation even worse - especially for himself. And, I bet he's angering a whole bunch of people as well as me!!!!




JMHO

It's amazing that he said he didn't know what the background check entailed, but thought everything was just fine because his son passed it.

Yet it was due to his own inaction that his son passed!

 

[Arkay]

I just want to formally retract and rescind my much earlier post wherein I said that though the mother seems negligent and strange, the father seems salt of the earth.

It's been bugging me ever since the info came out about the father signing off on his son's ability to own a gun, DESPITE the suicidal and homicidal comments he'd previously made, and the subsequent police interactions. At the time I just knew the father was a longtime resident and business owner with political aspirations.

My granddaughter went through a period of depression in her early teens, (much better now), but back then, anytime she came over to my house, the first thing I did was hide all my medication and even aspirin, etc. I was terrified that a momentary impulse might cause her to harm herself.

I simply cannot wrap my head around how a parent, knowing a child may have suicidal ideations, would in any way PROVIDE a means for the child/young adult to cause harm. And here we don't have guns, and my granddaughter was the furthest thing from homicidal. But I spent the time trying to eliminate any potential self-harm, kind of like baby-proofing when our kids are tiny.

I do still believe that the mother appears argumentative with the police and neglectful of at least this child. Leaving him as a toddler alone in a hot car for 27 minutes, not picking him and his brother up from after-school and so on.

IMO though it's a combination of parenting and the kid's own psyche. So many kids are neglected and grow up to be outstanding individuals. Conversely, others are treated with love and attention and go on to become maniacs.

Jmo

 

[Arkay]

Highland Park shooter posted pics of his 'teen sex doll' hanging

Robert 'Bobby' Crimo, 21, who shot up a Fourth of July parade in Highland Park, Ill., frequently posted racist and anti-Semitic remarks online, as he documented his relationship with a sex doll.

www.dailymail.co.uk

A Holocaust denier, ranting against Jews, Asians and blacks. Said they should be gassed, etc. The logistics of the Holocaust of 6 million Jews is something he denied.

Had a sex doll which he left positioned as though the doll hung herself and made comments that he didn't know why his doll committed suicide.

These things are the reddest of red flags, along with painting a gun-holding figure on the EXTERIOR of the home where someone HAD to see it.

If these signs, along with talk of suicide and of killing his family, are not red, Crimson, scarlet, what is?

 

[shotgun09]

This 22 year old knew exactly what he was doing, IMO.
He purchased the guns legally, in Illinois mind you ( strict gun laws).

He committed murder of innocents in his HOMETOWN.

He left the gun ( or dropped it.. ) With serial numbers easily traced..


He ran after committing the crime....to home...to get his car...
To be followed...and chased...
To surrender to authorities without incident once 'found'.

To get his name and photos plastered across the world.

He and he alone is the perp. And he wants and welcomes the infamy.

 

[Dotta]

This 22 year old knew exactly what he was doing, IMO.
He purchased the guns legally, in Illinois mind you ( strict gun laws).

He committed murder of innocents in his HOMETOWN.

He left the gun ( or dropped it.. ) With serial numbers easily traced..


He ran after committing the crime....to home...to get his car...
To be followed...and chased...
To surrender to authorities without incident once 'found'.

To get his name and photos plastered across the world.

He and he alone is the perp. And he wants and welcomes the infamy.

And to think that well chosen psychiatric medicaments might have made wonders.

Because he is demented, and cunning is part of his illness.

MOO

 

[Cryptic]

I don't know how the FOID card works, but it doesn't appear that Crimo III had a record that would prevent obtaining a card.

The card apparently works through this chain:

Gun buyer is under a certain age - needs card to purchase weapons - needs parental sponsorship to get the card.

ergo: No parental sponsorship means no card and no card means no weapons purchases (until he is 21 and no longer needs the card).

 

[Boxer]

I just want to formally retract and rescind my much earlier post wherein I said that though the mother seems negligent and strange, the father seems salt of the earth.

It's been bugging me ever since the info came out about the father signing off on his son's ability to own a gun, DESPITE the suicidal and homicidal comments he'd previously made, and the subsequent police interactions. At the time I just knew the father was a longtime resident and business owner with political aspirations.

My granddaughter went through a period of depression in her early teens, (much better now), but back then, anytime she came over to my house, the first thing I did was hide all my medication and even aspirin, etc. I was terrified that a momentary impulse might cause her to harm herself.

I simply cannot wrap my head around how a parent, knowing a child may have suicidal ideations, would in any way PROVIDE a means for the child/young adult to cause harm. And here we don't have guns, and my granddaughter was the furthest thing from homicidal. But I spent the time trying to eliminate any potential self-harm, kind of like baby-proofing when our kids are tiny.

I do still believe that the mother appears argumentative with the police and neglectful of at least this child. Leaving him as a toddler alone in a hot car for 27 minutes, not picking him and his brother up from after-school and so on.

IMO though it's a combination of parenting and the kid's own psyche. So many kids are neglected and grow up to be outstanding individuals. Conversely, others are treated with love and attention and go on to become maniacs.

Jmo

Exactly.

 

[wary]

I’m astonished and angry at the father’s actions: facilitating his son buying a gun, after the son has shown suicidal and homicidal tendencies. (Note that I’m a serious supporter of the 2nd Amendment.)

However, I wonder if the father is actually criminally responsible—considering that the son didn’t go on this rampage until after he was old enough to legally buy a gun on his own. (Now, if the father supplied money for the guns—throw the book at him!)

 

[Boxer]

Highland Park shooter posted pics of his 'teen sex doll' hanging

Robert 'Bobby' Crimo, 21, who shot up a Fourth of July parade in Highland Park, Ill., frequently posted racist and anti-Semitic remarks online, as he documented his relationship with a sex doll.

www.dailymail.co.uk

A Holocaust denier, ranting against Jews, Asians and blacks. Said they should be gassed, etc. The logistics of the Holocaust of 6 million Jews is something he denied.

Had a sex doll which he left positioned as though the doll hung herself and made comments that he didn't know why his doll committed suicide.

These things are the reddest of red flags, along with painting a gun-holding figure on the EXTERIOR of the home where someone HAD to see it.

If these signs, along with talk of suicide and of killing his family, are not red, Crimson, scarlet, what is?

Creep.

 

[x_files]

GOOD POINT! I didn't think about that. I was thinking it was either a typo in publication or the uncle was there - since the uncle lived with the dad.

We haven't heard anything about him using the they/them pronouns - but I guess it's a possibility. But the dad seems kinda old school - would he "agree" with something like that (using they/them)?



JMHO

If he was trying to blame his son for having strange radical gender identity issues. (I have ZERO problems with it but some parents do).

 

[IzzyBlanche]

So now Dad says he doesn't regret helping his son get the gun.

Some people really don't know when to sit down and shut up.

I do hope he has legal exposure.

 

[Boxer]

I’m astonished and angry at the father’s actions: facilitating his son buying a gun, after the son has shown suicidal and homicidal tendencies. (Note that I’m a serious supporter of the 2nd Amendment.)

However, I wonder if the father is actually criminally responsible—considering that the son didn’t go on this rampage until after he was old enough to legally buy a gun on his own. (Now, if the father supplied money for the guns—throw the book at him!)

MOO He won’t be criminally responsible. The application asks only for official actions. Convictions, 5150 holds etc.

Little Crimo only got talked to by the police, there was no official MH paper trail when he threatened to kill everyone.

https://www.ispfsb.com/public/Documents/AffidavitGuardian.pdf

 

[x_files]

So now Dad says he doesn't regret helping his son get the gun.

Some people really don't know when to sit down and shut up.

I do hope he has legal exposure.

WHAT?!!!
I somehow missed that part.
Accused parade shooter's dad says he doesn't regret sponsoring FOID card, says system needs overhaul

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[Boxer]

So now Dad says he doesn't regret helping his son get the gun.

Some people really don't know when to sit down and shut up.

I do hope he has legal exposure.

WHAT?!!!

Here is the son’s character.

Highland Park shooter posted pics of his 'teen sex doll' hanging

Robert 'Bobby' Crimo, 21, who shot up a Fourth of July parade in Highland Park, Ill., frequently posted racist and anti-Semitic remarks online, as he documented his relationship with a sex doll.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[whitelilac]

So now Dad says he doesn't regret helping his son get the gun.

Some people really don't know when to sit down and shut up.

I do hope he has legal exposure.

Sigh
Has the father expressed any emotion or sensitivity about the fact that 7 people were killed, many others seriously injured, and a 2 year old child left an orphan? There are many families whose lives have been horribly affected by his son's heinous and violent act.
Just appears to me that his talking all over the place is rather CYA self serving.

 

[x_files]

Here is the son’s character.

Highland Park shooter posted pics of his 'teen sex doll' hanging

Robert 'Bobby' Crimo, 21, who shot up a Fourth of July parade in Highland Park, Ill., frequently posted racist and anti-Semitic remarks online, as he documented his relationship with a sex doll.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Those sex dolls are NOT cheap either. wow, creepy to hang her!

 

[x_files]

Sigh
Has the father expressed any emotion or sensitivity about the fact that 7 people were killed, many others seriously injured, and a 2 year old child left an orphan? There are many families whose lives have been horribly affected by his son's heinous and violent act.
Just appears to me that his talking all over the place is rather CYA self serving.

No, not really.

There are people that walk this planet that do NOT have any EMPATHY for others, they are NOT capable.
Unless it directly affects them personally.
I notice the mass shooter's LACK of EMPATHY.
There's no way someone could shoot children and grandpas in wheelchairs that had EMPATHY.
Perhaps testing young children for empathy might be a start.

 

[Cryptic]

However, I wonder if the father is actually criminally responsible—considering that the son didn’t go on this rampage until after he was old enough to legally buy a gun on his own.

I would still throw the book at the father.

At the end of the day, the father sponsored weapons purchases for somebody he knew had been assessed as dangerous- and whose violent behavior then continued to escalate (What- lived at home and was hanging sex dolls around the house in posed death scenes?).

That individual then murders people using a weapon whose purchase was sponsored by the father. That is enough for me.

 

[x_files]

I would still throw the book at the father.

At the end of the day, the father sponsored weapons purchases for somebody he knew had been assessed as dangerous- and whose violent behavior then continued to escalate.

That individual then murders people using a weapon whose purchase was sponsored by the father. That is enough for me.

I think if there's accountability it might make the next Father think twice, so far there's been little to no accountability.