IL - July 4 Parade, Highland Park, at least 6 fatally shot, 4 July 2022 *son charged, dad guilty*

[Friday Fan]

The man involved in this massacre was 22 yo. His prior incidents with LE were when he was 19 yo and before he had applied for a FOI card with the state of Illinois.
One of my greatest concerns is what parents or other concerned adults can do if they feel someone over the age of 18 is dangerous. What are the resources available or routes they can take to contain a person they feel is a danger to society?
JMO

It's really hard once someone turns 18. My son had a substance abuse problem, but I couldn't prove it. It wasn't until I ran a home THC test on him and sent it to his shrink that I got some help. (Shrink accused me of being "crazy, imagining things, helicopter, whatever". ) But pot wasn't my son's drug of choice. My son was huffing. (There is no test for that...at least OTC) We put him in detox and rehab. We had to obtain to permission for consent to share medical records. My son agreed to it, thank goodness. He was 18 and 1/2 at the time.
It also helped that he was still in high school. He got HS diploma while he was in rehab.

 

[Puzzles8]

Crimo didn’t have a FOID card in September 2019, according to the state police, who normally don’t reveal the details of an individual’s possession of a FOID card.

Then, in December 2019, when he was 19, Crimo applied for his FOID card, according to the state police. Because he was under 21, the application had to be sponsored by a parent or guardian, the state police said.

“The application was sponsored by the subject’s father,” the agency said.

In January 2020, “There was insufficient basis to establish a clear and present danger to deny the FOID application” and Crimo was given a card, according to the state police.

Crimo’s father couldn’t be reached.

In a text message, Crimo’s uncle Paul Crimo called the state police version of events “false statement about sponsored” but wouldn’t elaborate.

Dad of suspect in Highland Park Fourth of July massacre OK’d his seeking gun permit, state police say

Robert E. Crimo III, identified as the suspect in the killings, bought the AR-15-style semiautomatic rifle used in the slayings, officials said Tuesday.

chicago.suntimes.com

Bobby Crimo's family refused to press charges in the Sept 2019 incident where he threatened to kill family members. LE did confiscate his knives.
IMO, there was nothing either local or state LE could legally do when his family refused to press charges.
JMO

 

[Friday Fan]

Parade shooting suspect bought 5 weapons despite threats

The man accused of opening fire at an Independence Day parade in suburban Chicago legally bought five weapons, including two high-powered rifles

abcnews.go.com

…”The revelation about his gun purchases is just the latest example of y oung men who were able to obtain guns and carry out massacres

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I need to know what is involved with “sponsoring.” This indeed could bring prosecutor attention to the father with prior knowledge of shooter’s mental instability. And why didn’t the prior suicidal cry and threats to family not show up in a background check if the police had record of it? Even if no charges were filed. LE had prior knowledge too. Definitely part of our broken “system” that needs fixing.

Probably thought "shooting sports" were a good thing "wholesome hobby" for his troubled son. (Similar to thinking "My kid should join the Army, it will straighten him out", "keep my kids off drugs")

Adam Lanza's mother thought this also.

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I have a friend with two mentally challenged sons. She encouraged them in target practice with the boy scouts and got my son involved with it too. I don't know if it progressed to anything more with her sons. My son didn't like it...Thank God, because my kid could have been one of "those"....He had addictions & OCD tendencies and well, I'm just glad he didn't like it.

This was before Columbine. I personally have never liked guns, so I'm glad my son wasn't interested!

 

[legalmomma]

https://www.ispfsb.com/Public/Faq.aspx#collapse524

Sponsorship is required for a FOID applicant under 21. The sponsor must sign an affidavit. I would like to see shooter’s dad’s affidavit.

 

[steeltowngirl]

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I've actually spent some time this evening trying to find out how a United States citizen can volunteer to help the police or FBI scour the web. I couldn't find anything helpful. The closest I came was to a community policing brochure from 1994, which doesn't reference social media as it did not yet exist. Almost everything else I found was focused on the rights or not rights of LE to search through social media.

As a retired teacher, with time available and some knowledge of how teenagers think, I would absolutely volunteer some time to look for anyone talking about killing others. Or maybe brandishing weapons in a suggestively violent manner.

Do any of my WS peeps know anything about how to do this? Even if we stopped one gunman it would be worth it to me.

I don't know how LE would or could proceed from there, but just to have some extra eyes, trustworthy eyes, to search for this stuff would IMO be a public service.

I could never scour the web for CSAM, I just couldn't bear to see it, but for young men boasting about killing, I'd certainly contact LE.

That is, if I received training as to what is considered actionable, and if they gave me a dedicated computer for this purpose alone. I wouldn't want it on my computer.

If anyone here is knowledgeable and very "sleuthy," I would appreciate it if you would advise me. <modsnip>

TIA

There are some companies that provide threat monitoring services to schools - Social Sentinal, Geo-Listening, ZeroEyes, etc. I believe they use OSINT tools, rather than scour the web manually, but I am sure humans must analyze the data to some extent. Maybe contact Sandy Hook Promise - their focus is school shootings, but they may have some resources to provide direction to citizens who would like to assist with social media threat monitoring.

 

[Puzzles8]

https://www.ispfsb.com/Public/Faq.aspx#collapse524

Sponsorship is required for a FOID applicant under 21. The sponsor must sign an affidavit. I would like to see shooter’s dad’s affidavit.

Ironically, his father had recently (2019) run for Mayor of Highland Park. His father owned and ran a long time deli in Highland Park.

Sadly, RCIII's parents are not described as being very present in Bobby's life when growing up.
IMO, this article actually describes his parents well. His dad was always at work and his mom was flightly and often forget to pick up her sons.

Highland Park shooter's family home is set for foreclosure

The home, where alleged Highland Park shooter Bobby Crimo lived has been placed in preforeclosure. Mortgage company Newrez claim Crimo's father owes nearly $200,000.

www.dailymail.co.uk

In NO way am I trying to defend his horrendous actions, I'm just trying to understand what lead up to it.

JMO, he sadly didn't have much love or guidance growing up.

 

[steeltowngirl]

Bobby Crimo's family refused to press charges in the Sept 2019 incident where he threatened to kill family members. LE did confiscate his knives.
IMO, there was nothing either local or state LE could legally do when his family refused to press charges.
JMO

Interesting. But aren’t domestic violence suspects charged by the state, even when a victim says he or she doesn’t want to press charges? Maybe since it was a threat, rather than displaying visible signs of an attack, nothing could be done? Would not matter perhaps, as he’d been free by now anyhow.

 

[Sundog]

Ironically, his father had recently (2019) run for Mayor of Highland Park. His father owned and ran a long time deli in Highland Park.

Sadly, RCIII's parents are not described as being very present in Bobby's life when growing up.
IMO, this article actually describes his parents well. His dad was always at work and his mom was flightly and often forget to pick up her sons.

Highland Park shooter's family home is set for foreclosure

The home, where alleged Highland Park shooter Bobby Crimo lived has been placed in preforeclosure. Mortgage company Newrez claim Crimo's father owes nearly $200,000.

www.dailymail.co.uk

In NO way am I trying to defend his horrendous actions, I'm just trying to understand what lead up to it.

JMO, he sadly didn't have much love or guidance growing up.

I wish they hadn't identified the names of the siblings and published their pictures. As far as we know, neither the younger brother nor the older sister had anything to do with this.

 

[Wise Old Owl]

I wish they hadn't identified the names of the siblings and published their pictures. As far as we know, neither the younger brother nor the older sister had anything to do with this.

ITA

I wonder who the younger brother is living with. It has to be traumatizing to have your brother commit such a horrific crime. And when you are underage - you have no where to go.

Nicholas Cruz - the Parkland shooter - had a younger brother. It was tough going at first since both the mother and father were dead when parkland happened. The younger brother was lucky - there was a youth counselor/pastor in North or South Carolina that came down and met with him and he ended up taking him back to the Carolina's to live with his family. That was the last I heard of him. I did see a year or two ago that he is doing very well. Thank the good Lord. I hope his brother gets the help he is going to need to get through this, along with the half sister.

So many lives turned upside down.


JMHO

 

[LaborDayRN]

If mass shootings start at zoos...I just have no words anymore. Does anyone else feel like this is INSANE?!

I feel like I'm in the twilight zone lately.

 

[nao]

Domestic violence will only charged by police if it is aggravated assault...got be some blood and bruises... life threat ..moo

 

[Sundog]

ITA

I wonder who the younger brother is living with. It has to be traumatizing to have your brother commit such a horrific crime. And when you are underage - you have no where to go.

Nicholas Cruz - the Parkland shooter - had a younger brother. It was tough going at first since both the mother and father were dead when parkland happened. The younger brother was lucky - there was a youth counselor/pastor in North or South Carolina that came down and met with him and he ended up taking him back to the Carolina's to live with his family. That was the last I heard of him. I did see a year or two ago that he is doing very well. Thank the good Lord. I hope his brother gets the help he is going to need to get through this, along with the half sister.

So many lives turned upside down.


JMHO

I'm so glad to hear this about the younger brother to the Parkland shooter, that he is now doing well. I hope someone intervenes in a similar way with these young people, they are victims, too.

 

[Wise Old Owl]

I'm so glad to hear this about the younger brother to the Parkland shooter, that he is now doing well. I hope someone intervenes in a similar way with these young people, they are victims, too.

Yea, it was rough. When it happened they were both living with a foster mom. She had tried to kick out NC - but the brother was being blamed as well and IIRC even got beat up. People are cruel but kids are even meaner and everybody knew who he was and were targeting him. It was a terrible situation for him - I really felt for that kid.


JMHO

 

[Puzzles8]

Interesting. But aren’t domestic violence suspects charged by the state, even when a victim says he or she doesn’t want to press charges? Maybe since it was a threat, rather than displaying visible signs of an attack, nothing could be done? Would not matter perhaps, as he’d been free by now anyhow.

You raise an interesting question that I don't know the answer for.
I don't know when legally the state of Illinois can step in.

JMO

 

[Sundog]

Interesting. But aren’t domestic violence suspects charged by the state, even when a victim says he or she doesn’t want to press charges? Maybe since it was a threat, rather than displaying visible signs of an attack, nothing could be done? Would not matter perhaps, as he’d been free by now anyhow.

A former LE commentator on the news tonight said that LE can commit someone involuntarily for a mental health evaluation if they are deemed a threat to themselves or to others. I think this certainly would have applied in this situation, from what we know, since he was threatening to kill everybody and LE took the knives and sword from him. That was in September 2019. In April 2019, he was threatening suicide. That was another opportunity to have him committed involuntary for a mental health evaluation since he was a threat to himself. Not sure why that was never done.

 

[Friday Fan]

A former LE commentator on the news tonight said that LE can commit someone involuntarily for a mental health evaluation if they are deemed a threat to themselves or to others. I think this certainly would have applied in this situation, from what we know, since he was threatening to kill everybody and LE took the knives and sword from him. That was in September 2019. In April 2019, he was threatening suicide. That was another opportunity to have him committed involuntary for a mental health evaluation since he was a threat to himself. Not sure why that was never done.

The bar is very very high for this. We tried to get my crazy father in law committed. The guy was crazy and aggressive beyond belief, he appeared to have an aggressive form of Alzheimers. He was dangerous too. He talked the judge out of it by volunteering to go for a week. A few months later, he took his life, but we were trying to prevent him from killing others before he killed himself. He almost most did, but fortunately, the vehicle he was driving hit a phone poll. We wanted them to take his driver's license away. They refused. The guy was stark mad crazy. We all hid from the guy. He was mad and rabid.

 

[Boxer]

A former LE commentator on the news tonight said that LE can commit someone involuntarily for a mental health evaluation if they are deemed a threat to themselves or to others. I think this certainly would have applied in this situation, from what we know, since he was threatening to kill everybody and LE took the knives and sword from him. That was in September 2019. In April 2019, he was threatening suicide. That was another opportunity to have him committed involuntary for a mental health evaluation since he was a threat to himself. Not sure why that was never done.

MOO Family didn’t support him being taken for a 72 hour hold.

Getting people involuntarily held is very difficult. Since he obviously fit the criteria for a hold, there must be a reason the police did not.

 

[Sundog]

MOO Family didn’t support him being taken for a 72 hour hold.

Getting people involuntarily held is very difficult. Since he obviously fit the criteria for a hold, there must be a reason the police did not.

I guess since he was 19 years old at the time, and therefore an adult, it was harder to do than if he had been a juvenile.

 

[Becky Starkey]

This is a good article, an interview with some online friends, some background on the SS thing. It states that symbol the shooter uses is also 'used by the Finnish far-right faction Suomen Sisu.'

Was the 4th of July Shooting Politically Motivated?

Friends of the Highland Park shooter claim he was "politically completely indifferent”

www.rollingstone.com

 

[Puzzles8]

The bar is very very high for this. We tried to get my crazy father in law committed. The guy was crazy and aggressive beyond belief, he appeared to have an aggressive form of Alzheimers. He was dangerous too. He talked the judge out of it by volunteering to go for a week. A few months later, he took his life, but we were trying to prevent him from killing others before he killed himself. He almost most did, but fortunately, the vehicle he was driving hit a phone poll. We wanted them to take his driver's license away. They refused. The guy was stark mad crazy. We all hid from the guy. He was mad and rabid.

I am so sorry for what your family has gone through.

Let us all hope and pray AND vote for a change regarding gun laws and the mentally ill.

Take care all